wtf is the point? are you walking around shirtless all day? And when you finally get your shirt off are you approaching every girl and getting numbers or something? fuk no you aren't

I am borderline athletic on my frame, 6'1 but average to narrow shoulders (luckily have tiny waist) and average to smallwrists. I used to be shreds but weighed 165ish at 7 or 8%. looked full auschwitz with clothes on

got to 195 at 12 or 13% and get wayyyyy more compliments and actually looked like I lift in clothes. Still have some abs it's not all gone

that being said

if you are naturally fuking big, like 6'1 and up with good shoulders. by all means, be as lean as fuk, good on you.

15% or less is idea for most. if you like to go to the beach alot why look like chit?

depends on goals too. training for power or training for lean face/abs?

no pics?

Google 'hot shirtless lean men pics'



You'll find what you're looking for

Claviclecel checking in, op is correct, with the caveat that you need to maintain your abs so you still have something going when the shirt does come off or at the beach or whatever

Regardless of frame, any guy at 6'1 sub 200 lbs is not going to look "big", even shredded.

to your average miscer or actual bodybuilder, sure.

to your regular person? LOL. People will think you are big at 185 all the way to 200.

Not true.

To other lifters yes

But to normes? They think you’re massive