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03-05-2021, 01:38 PM
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I believe there are a fair number of miscers who have self-identified as neurodivergent, or atypical. Saw this graphic today and it says a lot in one image and I can relate.
I tend to get into a pattern of eating the same thing over and over, which can work for me. Same with forgetting to eat so long as I don't take it too far.
But I also have a history of using food for stimulation or eating when I'm really tired, or maybe thirsty. The eating when tired is how I dropped a lot of weight when I had my daughter and then started going up in weight again because I wasn't getting enough sleep and I was trying to avoid face planting on my desk.
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I believe there are a fair number of miscers who have self-identified as neurodivergent, or atypical. Saw this graphic today and it says a lot in one image and I can relate.
I tend to get into a pattern of eating the same thing over and over, which can work for me. Same with forgetting to eat so long as I don't take it too far.
But I also have a history of using food for stimulation or eating when I'm really tired, or maybe thirsty. The eating when tired is how I dropped a lot of weight when I had my daughter and then started going up in weight again because I wasn't getting enough sleep and I was trying to avoid face planting on my desk.
Individuals with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) or attention‐deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) may have unhealthy bodyweight. A total of 95 studies were included in the meta‐analysis.The pooled estimates of the prevalence of obesity, overweight and underweight were 21.8%, 19.8% and 6.4% in individuals with ASD and 14.7%, 20.9% and 4.0% in individuals with ADHD. In subgroup analyses, an increasing trend in the prevalence of unhealthy weight was observed from children aged 2 to 5 years to adults with ASD [obesity: from 16.7% to 31.3%, overweight: from 16.2% to 27.2%, underweight from 5.3% to 8.6%] and from children aged 6 to 12 years to adults with ADHD [obesity: from 13.5% to 19.3%, overweight: from 18.8% to 31.2%]. The worrisome epidemic of obesity and overweight in individuals with ASD, ADHD highlighted the need for weight management.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1111/obr.13123Interesting snips from the below:
Interestingly, recent evidence pointed to possible sex effects. In a sibling pairs study, Do and colleagues found that unique or non-shared environmental influences contributed to the relationship between ADHD and obesity in males, whilst genetic factors contributed to the relationship in females. The reasons for this dissociation deserve further elucidation.
An intriguing line of research has pointed to a possible role of disrupted sleep patterns. This is based on the premise that excessive daytime sleepiness [EDS], caused by sleep disturbance or manifesting itself as a primary disorder, contributes to ADHD symptoms. Indeed, according to the “hypoarousal theory’’ of ADHD initially formulated by Weinberg and Brumback, subjects with ADHD symptoms [or at least a subgroup of them] might actually be sleepier than controls, and their hyperactivity and impulsivity would be aimed to stay awake and alert, to counteract the tendency to fall asleep. Interestingly, individual with obesity have been found to present with higher than expected rates of EDS, which may be due to sleep disordered breathing or to metabolic and/or circadian abnormalities.
A recent small study found significantly lower plasma levels of adiponectin and significantly higher levels of the leptin/adiponectin [L/A] ratio in the ADHD group [n = 36] compared with healthy controls [n = 40], suggesting that a low adiponectin level and high L/A may underlie the link ADHD–obesity. Unfortunately, the cross-sectional and correlational nature of the study prevents any causal inference to be drawn.
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03-05-2021, 01:50 PM
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Thanks for sharing.
I’ve been hospitalized for anorexia and struggle with bulimia and compulsive overeating on and off throughout the years. It’s really miserable to have a disordered relationship with food.
Thankfully I’ve been on track since Dec. 31 and my ED therapist has been happy with my progress. But if stress hits or I’m unhappy with my size, then I relapse.
I’ve been hospitalized for anorexia and struggle with bulimia and compulsive overeating on and off throughout the years. It’s really miserable to have a disordered relationship with food.
Thankfully I’ve been on track since Dec. 31 and my ED therapist has been happy with my progress. But if stress hits or I’m unhappy with my size, then I relapse.
03-05-2021, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted By DustinTheHuss⏩
Man erectile dysfunction is a bitch. Good luck broThanks for sharing.
I’ve been hospitalized for anorexia and struggle with bulimia and compulsive overeating on and off throughout the years. It’s really miserable to have a disordered relationship with food.
Thankfully I’ve been on track since Dec. 31 and my ED therapist has been happy with my progress. But if stress hits or I’m unhappy with my size, then I relapse.
I’ve been hospitalized for anorexia and struggle with bulimia and compulsive overeating on and off throughout the years. It’s really miserable to have a disordered relationship with food.
Thankfully I’ve been on track since Dec. 31 and my ED therapist has been happy with my progress. But if stress hits or I’m unhappy with my size, then I relapse.
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03-05-2021, 01:54 PM
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I “officially” have ADHD and I’m not sure any of that applies to me.
I do eat the same thing a lot, but that’s because I meal prep for a few days at a time and plan things that way.
I do eat the same thing a lot, but that’s because I meal prep for a few days at a time and plan things that way.
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03-05-2021, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted By RICHSTRONG⏩
Yeah people get that mixed up all of the time lol. ED also stands for Eating Disorder.Man erectile dysfunction is a bitch. Good luck bro
03-05-2021, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted By DustinTheHuss⏩
Ok thanks for the explanation. I find that tickling your ass hairs really lightly when ur pissing also give stimulation to your penis. Also, there is a spot under your balls if you press firmly will add a little lead in your pencil as well but being older I tend to just drop a cialis if I want to take a sloot to pound town. Give er a shot and let me know. Limp dick is no jokeYeah people get that mixed up all of the time lol. ED also stands for Eating Disorder.
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03-05-2021, 02:41 PM
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There is a difference between disordered eating and an eating disorder. From what I’ve seen in groups and treatment over the years, as well as books and research, most people resort to eating disorders due to past trauma, depression and/or anxiety.
Yet your research is interesting in terms of other vulnerabilities.
Yet your research is interesting in terms of other vulnerabilities.
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I have eating disorder due to trauma from having cancer and all the related ****.
I've probably gained and lost 80kg in the last 5 years.
I've probably gained and lost 80kg in the last 5 years.
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03-05-2021, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted By entropy91⏩
That's some 4D chess...What does it mean if you have disordered eating, but I eat you?

Originally Posted By DustinTheHuss⏩
The research stuff is definitely still developing re: neurodivergent and body weight.There is a difference between disordered eating and an eating disorder. From what I’ve seen in groups and treatment over the years, as well as books and research, most people resort to eating disorders due to past trauma, depression and/or anxiety.
Yet your research is interesting in terms of other vulnerabilities.
Yet your research is interesting in terms of other vulnerabilities.
Personally it seems super unlikely to me that obesity somehow causes a person the have ADD. It seems possible that there is a root cause that could nudge you towards both, or that there is a genetic difference.
It did really grab my interest when I heard a sleep specialist describe many behaviors related to a lack of sufficient sleep and he pointed out that most of them also are symptoms of ADD. Then the second research paper brings up a sleep problem:
Whilst the mechanisms leading from obesity to ADHD may not seem straightforward to understand, it has been hypothesized that obesity may lead to ADHD symptoms via sleep disordered breathing (SDB). In fact, SDB is associated with obesity and has been shown to lead to ADHD-like symptoms.
I haven't looked up SDB yet. But I did have a sleep study a few years ago and they said that I move around a lot and that my respiration rate sped up instead of slowing down.INTP Crew
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03-05-2021, 03:33 PM
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I don't know how that could not mess with your attitudes around food. Hope you have found a healthy middle ground.I have eating disorder due to trauma from having cancer and all the related ****.
I've probably gained and lost 80kg in the last 5 years.
I've probably gained and lost 80kg in the last 5 years.
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03-05-2021, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted By DustinTheHuss⏩
why is your life such a disaster?Thanks for sharing.
I’ve been hospitalized for anorexia and struggle with bulimia and compulsive overeating on and off throughout the years. It’s really miserable to have a disordered relationship with food.
Thankfully I’ve been on track since Dec. 31 and my ED therapist has been happy with my progress. But if stress hits or I’m unhappy with my size, then I relapse.
I’ve been hospitalized for anorexia and struggle with bulimia and compulsive overeating on and off throughout the years. It’s really miserable to have a disordered relationship with food.
Thankfully I’ve been on track since Dec. 31 and my ED therapist has been happy with my progress. But if stress hits or I’m unhappy with my size, then I relapse.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
on RC for Mads gifThat's some 4D chess...

The research stuff is definitely still developing re: neurodivergent and body weight.
Personally it seems super unlikely to me that obesity somehow causes a person the have ADD. It seems possible that there is a root cause that could nudge you towards both, or that there is a genetic difference.
It did really grab my interest when I heard a sleep specialist describe many behaviors related to a lack of sufficient sleep and he pointed out that most of them also are symptoms of ADD. Then the second research paper brings up a sleep problem:
I haven't looked up SDB yet. But I did have a sleep study a few years ago and they said that I move around a lot and that my respiration rate sped up instead of slowing down.

The research stuff is definitely still developing re: neurodivergent and body weight.
Personally it seems super unlikely to me that obesity somehow causes a person the have ADD. It seems possible that there is a root cause that could nudge you towards both, or that there is a genetic difference.
It did really grab my interest when I heard a sleep specialist describe many behaviors related to a lack of sufficient sleep and he pointed out that most of them also are symptoms of ADD. Then the second research paper brings up a sleep problem:
I haven't looked up SDB yet. But I did have a sleep study a few years ago and they said that I move around a lot and that my respiration rate sped up instead of slowing down.
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Do you treat your ADHD pharmaceutically?
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another bs disease from the leftist...
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03-05-2021, 03:54 PM
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Yes. I didn't for a very long time. Only for about 4 years now I think.Do you treat your ADHD pharmaceutically?
I only learned kind of recently that there can be a big difference in the different generics. Costco filled my scrip this time with pills from 2 different mfr.s and I didn't really want to use one of them because I think it may be one that I didn't like in the past. So skipped yesterday and was skipping today...then noticed I was feeling really low, major loss of interest.
Looked online- main side of stopping is depression. I have some IR that I've accumulated so hoping I can just manage with that until I get XRs again.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I kind of fit the bill for inattentive type but I still have my doubts that it's really the DSM version from childhood in my case. I think I have problematic attentional deficits but a lot could be attributed to lifestyle. The pills do make me feel more or less what I would consider to be the goal of "normal", or functional. But the body load is nasty and the rollercoaster of the onset and the wearoff and the jitters and the emotional drop and the cardiovascular risk...Yes. I didn't for a very long time. Only for about 4 years now I think.
I only learned kind of recently that there can be a big difference in the different generics. Costco filled my scrip this time with pills from 2 different mfr.s and I didn't really want to use one of them because I think it may be one that I didn't like in the past. So skipped yesterday and was skipping today...then noticed I was feeling really low, major loss of interest.
Looked online- main side of stopping is depression. I have some IR that I've accumulated so hoping I can just manage with that until I get XRs again.
I only learned kind of recently that there can be a big difference in the different generics. Costco filled my scrip this time with pills from 2 different mfr.s and I didn't really want to use one of them because I think it may be one that I didn't like in the past. So skipped yesterday and was skipping today...then noticed I was feeling really low, major loss of interest.
Looked online- main side of stopping is depression. I have some IR that I've accumulated so hoping I can just manage with that until I get XRs again.
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Originally Posted By DizzySmalls⏩
Not sure what you mean by body load. I usually don't notice onset too much. Wearoff sometimes. I have run into some hassle re:cardiovascular risk from one psychiatrist and was sent for a stress test not that long ago. Heart doc said I'm fine, has no worries about my scrip.I kind of fit the bill for inattentive type but I still have my doubts that it's really the DSM version from childhood in my case. I think I have problematic attentional deficits but a lot could be attributed to lifestyle. The pills do make me feel more or less what I would consider to be the goal of "normal", or functional. But the body load is nasty and the rollercoaster of the onset and the wearoff and the jitters and the emotional drop and the cardiovascular risk...
And that is being a little fat and sadly out of condition still. When I was fit and at my lowest weight w/no meds my BP was actually low, as in I recall being asked if such low BP was "normal for you".
Maybe your dosage isn't quite right, or, as I found, the specific mfr formula may be bad for you.
https://www.additudemag.com/name-bra...rugs-for-adhd/
Might read some reviews too. One type gave me headaches.
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03-05-2021, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Yeah, not claiming an addiction or disorder here (other than ADD).I have other major issues but thankfully never had eating disorders or addictions.
I totally understand how people get there though.
I totally understand how people get there though.
This is more about how it manifests with food and eating.
Executive function deficits:Maintaining a healthy weight requires robust executive functioning skills — used for everything from planning balanced meals to sticking with that daily run. People with ADHD have naturally weaker executive functions, which makes starting (and keeping up with) a healthy daily routine much more taxing.
Impulsivity:ADHD and impulsivity are not synonymous, but individuals who do struggle with it know the devastating effect it can have on health. We are all bombarded with tantalizing (i.e. high-fat, high-sugar, high-carb) food on a daily basis. Most people can successfully manage their food-related impulses — and say no to a daily doughnut at the coffee shop, for instance. People with ADHD-fueled impulsivity cannot. Their impulsivity takes the wheel and they reach for (and devour) the junk food before their mind catches up to say, “No!”
Poor interoceptive awareness:Interoceptive awareness helps us sense what’s going on inside our bodies — whether that’s hunger cues, thirst markers, or physical fatigue. A person with ADHD, however, is oriented outward — always looking for the next source of stimulation. As a result, she may struggle to pay attention to and make sense of what her body is telling her. Someone with ADHD is more likely to interpret thirst (or boredom, or exhaustion) as hunger, and will often turn to food to fulfill that unclear internal need.
Poor sleep habits:A brain that’s constantly whirring will find it hard to “shut down” at the end of the day and fall asleep, so it’s no surprise that ADHD brings with it fitful or disordered sleep. And a wealth of research finds that sleep deprivation is a large factor in promoting obesity. When our bodies are sleep deprived, our brains release hormones that push us to overeat — particularly unhealthy foods that are high in fat and sugar. Simultaneously, our metabolism drops as our bodies attempt to conserve fat. This is an evolutionary relic of our caveman past — when lack of sleep usually meant famine — but in modern times, it backfires on sleep-deprived ADHD bodies.
“Procrastineating:” There’s an ADHD tendency to put off boring tasks by eating instead, a phenomenon that’s been dubbed “procrastineating.” Ordering, waiting for, and devouring a cheesy pizza is infinitely more interesting to the ADHD brain than is writing a term paper. Therefore snacking becomes a tempting — albeit unhealthy — form of procrastination. (And it certainly doesn’t help us get our work done any faster, either!)
Low levels of neurotransmitters:ADHD is a neurological condition traced back to the brain’s neurotransmitters. The chemicals dopamine and GABA exist in insufficient amounts in the brains of people with ADHD. Dopamine regulates and promotes arousal; low levels of dopamine result in an under-aroused, “bored” brain. GABA controls inhibition. A person with adequate levels of these neurotransmitters can typically stop himself from eating an entire box of cookies. Someone with low levels does not receive the brain signals alerting him to potential long-term harm — hos brain focuses only on how delicious (and stimulating) the cookies are right now.
Forum of weight conscious people + several have identified as ADD/ASD = seemed like it might be relevant.Impulsivity:ADHD and impulsivity are not synonymous, but individuals who do struggle with it know the devastating effect it can have on health. We are all bombarded with tantalizing (i.e. high-fat, high-sugar, high-carb) food on a daily basis. Most people can successfully manage their food-related impulses — and say no to a daily doughnut at the coffee shop, for instance. People with ADHD-fueled impulsivity cannot. Their impulsivity takes the wheel and they reach for (and devour) the junk food before their mind catches up to say, “No!”
Poor interoceptive awareness:Interoceptive awareness helps us sense what’s going on inside our bodies — whether that’s hunger cues, thirst markers, or physical fatigue. A person with ADHD, however, is oriented outward — always looking for the next source of stimulation. As a result, she may struggle to pay attention to and make sense of what her body is telling her. Someone with ADHD is more likely to interpret thirst (or boredom, or exhaustion) as hunger, and will often turn to food to fulfill that unclear internal need.
Poor sleep habits:A brain that’s constantly whirring will find it hard to “shut down” at the end of the day and fall asleep, so it’s no surprise that ADHD brings with it fitful or disordered sleep. And a wealth of research finds that sleep deprivation is a large factor in promoting obesity. When our bodies are sleep deprived, our brains release hormones that push us to overeat — particularly unhealthy foods that are high in fat and sugar. Simultaneously, our metabolism drops as our bodies attempt to conserve fat. This is an evolutionary relic of our caveman past — when lack of sleep usually meant famine — but in modern times, it backfires on sleep-deprived ADHD bodies.
“Procrastineating:” There’s an ADHD tendency to put off boring tasks by eating instead, a phenomenon that’s been dubbed “procrastineating.” Ordering, waiting for, and devouring a cheesy pizza is infinitely more interesting to the ADHD brain than is writing a term paper. Therefore snacking becomes a tempting — albeit unhealthy — form of procrastination. (And it certainly doesn’t help us get our work done any faster, either!)
Low levels of neurotransmitters:ADHD is a neurological condition traced back to the brain’s neurotransmitters. The chemicals dopamine and GABA exist in insufficient amounts in the brains of people with ADHD. Dopamine regulates and promotes arousal; low levels of dopamine result in an under-aroused, “bored” brain. GABA controls inhibition. A person with adequate levels of these neurotransmitters can typically stop himself from eating an entire box of cookies. Someone with low levels does not receive the brain signals alerting him to potential long-term harm — hos brain focuses only on how delicious (and stimulating) the cookies are right now.
True story re:impulsivity- trying to diet as a teenager, buying some chips or candy from the vending machine and THEN remembering "oh, right, I'm trying to lose weight" and tossing said chips or candy in the trash can on the way to class.
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^ My inability to have any sort of routine has always plagued me. Even the most basic of things.
Procrastination and poor sleep has been a life long thing too beyond normal levels (everyone procrastinates to some extent but I'm into extremes).
Procrastination and poor sleep has been a life long thing too beyond normal levels (everyone procrastinates to some extent but I'm into extremes).
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I don't have ADHD, yet the sleeping part affects my mood and eating habits. Of course if I'm up more, I'll eat more. Sometimes I'll wake up hungry but I'm half asleep, so I barely know what I'm consuming. I try not to do that because my decision making skills at night aren't the best!
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