I know you misc nerds love to go on and on about the "clown world" and "Islam was right." Made me think back to this epic film.



It's, in my opinion, one of the greatest critiques of postmodernism in cinema. It came out/was set in the early 90s. About thirty years removed from the countercultural and social revolution of the 60's. When postmodern thought really got a foothold in western society as a whole.

If you nerds don't understand what postmodernism is, it's essentially the philosophy or idea that truth is relative. It's kind of like the antithesis to the age of enlightenment and modernism. It challenges concepts like objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, science, language, and social progress.

When you guys go on about the "clown world" and "woke culture," you might as well be talking about postmodernism as a whole. It's the core philosophy that underpins those ideas, beliefs and concepts.

When it comes to Se7en, the primary concept is morality, and how it has culturally declined. The nameless city in this film is an embodiment of the erosion of modernism. It's loud, grey, overcast, depressing. Standards have disappeared, and sin is tolerated morning, noon, and night — because, according to Somerset, "people don't care."Sexualization, drug use, greed, selfishness, vanity, laziness, etc...

The film is less about the story, narrative, or the characters, and more about the atmosphere. John Doe is simply a vessel that exposes the ugliness of modern culture — in a very essentialist kind of way. The seven deadly sins are used — rather grotesquely — as devices to get this message across.

It's funny now that I think about it, John Doe and Somerset (Morgan Freeman's character) had a lot in common. They were both demoralized by modern society and how far it's fallen off. It's to no surprise that many people initially thought Somerset was the murderer before John Doe was revealed.

The difference, however, is that John Doe allowed that dark cloud to corrupt and consume himself. Like a parasite or pathogen taking hold. After all he had done, he was nothing more than a walking contradiction. The original sin, personified.John Doe doesn't have some thought-provoking, meaningful reason or justification for what he did. He's not a mastermind, a prophet, or messiah. Just a man who is deeply sick, and as much a product of the moral erosion as those he preyed upon.

The one ray of sunshine, the bright light in Se7en, is Detective Mills — Brad Pitt's character. He's bold, opinionated, optimistic, hopeful, but naïve. He represents the hope for modernism in the story. He cuts through Somerset and John Doe's cynicism and nihilism like a machete to jungle shrub.

But, as we know, by the end of the story, he's brought right down to their level. His arc, from start to finish, displayed the corruption of a good man. A man with principles, with morals. He starts as idealistic and naïve, but ultimately ends up just as worn down as the others.

I really love Se7en, because it hits you deep, on a spiritual level. There's an ethereal-like presence to the film, which makes it continually rewatchable. The great story, characters, acting, cinematography, soundtrack and mixing, and editing are just the icing on the cake.

Just thought I'd make this thread, because I always think of this film when I come onto the MISC forum. Something about the endless posts about modern women, onlyfans, body positivity/fat shaming/plus models, chads, the clown world, woke culture, etc.

Top 10 movie of all time srs

The fuk you talking about nerd.

Yeah I mean it's a good movie, one of the few Kevin Spacey ones you can still watch, since his character is a sick fukk already you don't need to worry too much about the fact you're watching a creep IRL

Most of Kevin Spacey's best roles involved him playing creepers.

It's almost like he wasn't acting at all!

interesting, just rewatched fight club like 3 times. might watch this later

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I love this movie and have had very similar thoughts about it. I thought you were just a anti fin, swarthmaxxing troll lol.

Anyone reading this who hasn't seen the movie do it now. It's got some deep and dark themes but its also really entertaining which I find is hard to do in these types of movies

"What's in the box?!"

watched this film a few times, very interesting.

That bar scene looks so.. distant from our current reality. And I'm talking even pre-covid. A bar with people drinking in silence or talking to their friends etc is a thing of the past. Nowadays even without bs covid people would be glued to their phones, taking selfies, etc. We will never have bar environments like that again. Not to mention with gentrification that bar would propably be turned into a trendy IPA place or a gin bar or some other bs like that.

Love that movie btw, the dark gritty setting and the whole atmoshpere. IT's only 27 years old but it feels so distant, even the cars look alien now.

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Jesus, you took the time to write that up for a bunch of gay Indian bodybuilders. Reassess your life.

Youve convinced me op, that was a great post.

se7en is good but it lacks replay value. once you know what happens its not the same as say godfather

i really liked it but i have no interest in ever watching it againb=

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Sounds like you need to move to a better bar scene.

Great movie btw. Recall the glutten being so fat, but now it's about average.

Whenever I'm in a bar about a third of the people are being retards recording stories and constantly taking slefies etc. As you said I probably missing out on a better bar scene but on pretty much every bar in every country I've been to for the past 5 ish years I'ts been like that.

Se7en is a great movie. David Fincher is a master of atmosphere and setting for movies. I wish they would make a Warhammer 40K movie with him at the helm.

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Good write up though srs, kinda wish I hadn't negged ya but I can't forgive fkn up the date by a year

this movie would of been so much better with Denzel instead of Freeman

Great movie

90's Brad Pitt was goat

This, lol the world of Seven is a dream compared to our world. Atleast tech gadgets did not dominate their lives 24/7

I've tried watching it a couple of times but just couldn't immerse my self into it.

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Postmodernism gotta be wrong though.

Maybe not emotionally..but think about it. If truth were relative then stuff like the medical industry couldnt exist

The solution to a problem would be random or near infinite. Theres gotta be a method/ repeated pattern to solve a problem else theyd just continue to exist forever

One of my absolute favorites of all time

Loved the movie. Would have been better if it was Terry Crews instead of Denzel in it.