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Why weightlifting is such a big thing in american football training? srs

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they don't lift, they just do steroids and practice srs. The "lifting" in nfl circles is just circlejerk training that wouldn't be effective for ANYONE else.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
they don't lift, they just do steroids and practice srs. The "lifting" in nfl circles is just circlejerk training that wouldn't be effective for ANYONE else.
what about high school teams?
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Well first we have the issue of the word weightlifting, which refers to the sport of the snatch and the clean/jerk.

But I assume you're talking about simply lifting weights, to which I would answer simply: A bigger stronger football player tends to be a better football player. This is pretty simple stuff.
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Originally Posted By StrongFella⏩
The bigger/stronger you are, the harder you can hit/take a hit
In normal football (soccer) there are positions on the field where physical strength is also welcomed (defenders), but I never see them doing powerlifting style training.
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Originally Posted By miscoach⏩
what about high school teams?
sure, they lift

unfortunately they do a lot of back squats which is quite fukking retarded for linemen. You could focus on zerchers and deadlifts and get waaaaaay farther.
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I don't think weightlifting has as much impact on football training as it did 5+ years ago.


Noticing a lot more is focused on speed agility with the route the NFL seems to be going. So more dynamic work.


But I think in a way weight lifting is a great way to bond with your teammates that you can't replicate. Spotting each other. Noticing teammates getting stronger. Rooting each other on when lifting heavy.
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Originally Posted By miscoach⏩
In normal football (soccer) there are positions on the field where physical strength is also welcomed (defenders), but I never see them doing powerlifting style training.
most football programs with a strength program worth a damn don't do powerlifting style program, more like olympic lifting mixed with plyometrics and sport-specific movements

I would assume euro-football doesn't weight traun much because the play is constant so more muscle would be detrimental to endurance
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Originally Posted By Dennis71⏩
I don't think weightlifting has as much impact on football training as it did 5+ years ago.


Noticing a lot more is focused on speed agility with the route the NFL seems to be going. So more dynamic work.


But I think in a way weight lifting is a great way to bond with your teammates that you can't replicate. Spotting each other. Noticing teammates getting stronger. Rooting each other on when lifting heavy.
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Originally Posted By miscoach⏩
I'm from Europe.
American football is based on rugby, it is a bloodsport with a priority for physical strength.

It's not everything, but you need to be strong.

I would reason that soccer is more about speed and skill than brute force.
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Originally Posted By StrongFella⏩
most football programs with a strength program worth a damn don't do powerlifting style program, more like olympic lifting mixed with plyometrics and sport-specific movements

I would assume euro-football doesn't weight traun much because the play is constant so more muscle would be detrimental to endurance
ahh yeah, I forgot that there are a lot of breaks during the American football game so the players can actually recover
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American football is about two main things:

Power - ie cover short distances fast and impact something/push something. Linemen, fullbacks, etc.
Speed/Agility - cover a distance quickly and have to make changes at speed. Receivers, defenders, etc.
Some positions are a hybrid of the two. Ie linebackers and running backs, sometimes tight ends who also have to block.

Good strength training (and yes, that means GOOD) can cover these quite well. Rather than just performing the thing, you have a person mimic the movement under load, and then increase that load, therefore increasing the ability to do the thing either faster or with more power. Also, being stronger helps the body tolerate changes in direction for things like ligaments and tendons, therefore reducing risk of major injury if they go beyond tolerance levels.

Unfortunately most S+C coaches don't know anything that wasn't outdated twenty years ago and sometimes do more harm than good. And players are divas who don't put in the proper prep work or offseason training.
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Originally Posted By miscoach⏩
ahh yeah, I forgot that there are a lot of breaks during the American football game so the players can actually recover
American football is basically a rugby scrum over and over again.

There are around 11 minutes of actual playtime during the entire game.

It is very much set up like a series of battles with tactics, danger, and gaining/losing ground.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
they don't lift, they just do steroids and practice srs. The "lifting" in nfl circles is just circlejerk training that wouldn't be effective for ANYONE else.
You’re crazy. Growing up in the south where football is like the end all be all you start lifting mandatory in 9th grade if you play football. That doesn’t stop until you stop playing. Especially in the nfl where it’s the best of the best, if you don’t lift you’ll be cut ASAP. Only positions like kickers and to some extent cornerbacks would get away without lifting and just training in practice hard. Even cornerbacks in most cases are lifting also though.
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Originally Posted By miscoach⏩
In normal football (soccer) there are positions on the field where physical strength is also welcomed (defenders), but I never see them doing powerlifting style training.
Not comparable.

Rugby is a way better comparison but an NFL game on average takes over 3 hours to complete (60minutes of runtime) so the type of endurance is much different than rugby. Positions like RB and DE are all about explosive strength.
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Originally Posted By EagleOfWar⏩
You’re crazy. Growing up in the south where football is like the end all be all you start lifting mandatory in 9th grade if you play football. That doesn’t stop until you stop playing. Especially in the nfl where it’s the best of the best, if you don’t lift you’ll be cut ASAP. Only positions like kickers and to some extent cornerbacks would get away without lifting and just training in practice hard. Even cornerbacks in most cases are lifting also though.
Yeah I only started lifting in the first place for football, lifted really lightly starting in 5th grade so that I would not stunt my growth.

Southerners really love football and lifting is a big part of it. Unfortunately, a lot of these athletes get pulled into the OJ at a young age.

There was a PT on our team who I'm 99% sure sold juice or test or something.

Basically the weight room was open after practice if you wanted to do extra lifting. He would hang out there and talk to the players.

Was super ripped and a former college athlete, would not be surprised if he was on OJ.
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Most of football training is about eating huge quantities of calories.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
sure, they lift

unfortunately they do a lot of back squats which is quite fukking retarded for linemen. You could focus on zerchers and deadlifts and get waaaaaay farther.
The coach tells their student to eat and get big ( loose term for getting fat ).
Sure they'll get strong too with training but damn some of those kids are straight up obese. When they 're done with football, they still have the appetite and get even more fat.
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Originally Posted By CanardMedic⏩
The coach tells their student to eat and get big ( loose term for getting fat ).
Sure they'll get strong too with training but damn some of those kids are straight up obese. When they 're done with football, they still have the appetite and get even more fat.
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Originally Posted By EagleOfWar⏩
You’re crazy. Growing up in the south where football is like the end all be all you start lifting mandatory in 9th grade if you play football. That doesn’t stop until you stop playing. Especially in the nfl where it’s the best of the best, if you don’t lift you’ll be cut ASAP. Only positions like kickers and to some extent cornerbacks would get away without lifting and just training in practice hard. Even cornerbacks in most cases are lifting also though.
Here in Texas we started lifting in the 6th grade. Had a period dedicated just for weight training.
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HS football coaches forced us to lift. You didn't play if you weren't seen in the weight room. Squats, bench, push press, power cleans were prioritized. Running full speed into other people and tackling/blocking them means you need to be strong and fast otherwise the chances of getting injured are a lot higher.
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strength has no correlation to football skill. strongest guy in the recent NFL drafts (Stephen Pea) was kicked out in a few seasons

speed > strength in 99% of sports

guy I know who benches 500lb was rejected from D1 after his tryout
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Same reason why sprinters lift.

Because it helps, especially in the developmental phase of an athletes career.
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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
strength has no correlation to football skill. strongest guy in the recent NFL drafts (Stephen Pea) was kicked out in a few seasons

speed > strength in 99% of sports

guy I know who benches 500lb was rejected from D1 after his tryout
Definitely not everything, but it's part of it.

There is a balance, imagine trying to be a lineman, linebacker, or running back with zero strength training.
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Originally Posted By BeanGainClovis⏩
Definitely not everything, but it's part of it.

There is a balance, imagine trying to be a lineman, linebacker, or running back with zero strength training.
It's easier to find strong football players than it is to find fast ones. notice how every position is getting smaller and faster.

Im stronger than most of them when I was in university yet I cant claim Id be in the NFL. there's a reason why powerlifters and bodybuilders arent drafted into any major sport

take any team and make them faster and they're better. most RB are midgets now that run 10 sec 100m or 4.2 40. OL isn't even important if the QB is fast lamar jackson is a textbook example
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Lmao this is not true.

Football players lift a lot but they do big compound lifts like squats and cleans etc.
Interesting.

Exactly how much experience do you have coaching strength training for football programs?

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