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06-24-2021, 08:27 PM
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I'm beginning to think success is all luck and hard work is a meme
Is success just law of statistics at work - i.e. some people are going to be successful based on lucky circumstances/connections and when they get to the top they bull**** about "working harder" than most people?
Average/poor people "work hard" if not harder than wealthy people yet they will never be wealthy because they are not lucky enough to be born with the tools/connections/variables needed to be wealthy.
Most wealthy people are born with the tools to climb the socioeconomic ladder whereas average joes/poor people are born with no ladder. Is this cope or reality?
Cliffs: Successful people are not extraordinary. They're just lucky.
Average/poor people "work hard" if not harder than wealthy people yet they will never be wealthy because they are not lucky enough to be born with the tools/connections/variables needed to be wealthy.
Most wealthy people are born with the tools to climb the socioeconomic ladder whereas average joes/poor people are born with no ladder. Is this cope or reality?
Cliffs: Successful people are not extraordinary. They're just lucky.
06-24-2021, 08:31 PM
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The thing about Success is its just law of statistics at work - i.e. some people are going to be successful based on lucky circumstances/connections and when they get to the top they bull**** about "working harder" than most people?
Average/poor people "work hard" if not harder than wealthy people yet they will never be wealthy because they are not lucky enough to be born with the tools/connections/variables needed to be wealthy.
Most wealthy people are born with the tools to climb the socioeconomic ladder whereas average joes/poor people are born with no ladder. Is this cope or reality?
Cliffs: Successful people are not extraordinary. They're just lucky
Average/poor people "work hard" if not harder than wealthy people yet they will never be wealthy because they are not lucky enough to be born with the tools/connections/variables needed to be wealthy.
Most wealthy people are born with the tools to climb the socioeconomic ladder whereas average joes/poor people are born with no ladder. Is this cope or reality?
Cliffs: Successful people are not extraordinary. They're just lucky
06-24-2021, 08:34 PM
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Depends on your definition of hard work. It's not going to make you a multimillionaire except at retirement age, but you will know exactly what you are getting for the amount of hours you labor. To become a multimillionaire early or billionaire, yes, that's generally going to be luck, though you can sometimes find a niche that will make you moderately rich. People are depressed af in this social media age where they stare at Chads and billionaires in staged photographs, though a middle-class lifestyle nowadays is better than living as a king a hundred years ago in many respects.
06-24-2021, 08:37 PM
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yeah man, a lot of success in this world comes down to winning the genetic lotto. Be it blessed with athleticism, or really good looks. The self actualization process of the majority catering to the few genetic elite takes care of the rest.
That being said, theres a lot of false prophets and dead end avenues out there that make the road to success through hard work and effort that much harder if you aren't being propelled to greatness through superficial favoritism or nepotism
That being said, theres a lot of false prophets and dead end avenues out there that make the road to success through hard work and effort that much harder if you aren't being propelled to greatness through superficial favoritism or nepotism
06-24-2021, 08:39 PM
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Luck plays a role but you can't just be indifferent and think everything is predetermined. A simple example would be 2 tradies.
One tradie goes to work, does his 12 hour shift and goes to his rental home to play computer games 6 days a week. On sunday he just drinks beers at home and watches netflix. He spends all his money on flat screen TVs, newest iPhones, laptops and alcohol so he's left with 0 at the end of the week.
The other tradie goes to the gym for an hour before work, does his shift, goes out 2x a week to hang out with his mates, lives in his rental but saves 30% of his salary every week. On Saturdays and Sundays he goes to the pub for a couple of stubbies and meets new people.
After 5 years the first tradie is still doing the same old chit but the second tradie can put a down payment on a condo. After 10 years he can purchase another property for passive income. He also has infinitely more chances of meeting someone in the pub who might need a new employee or a business partner that his skillset matches.
Both are tradies but one is generating opportunities while the other has given up on life.
There is some luck involved but the second tradie takes ownership of his life and works towards a goal. You can't just lay down and rot because life is unfair, nobody is going to help you if you don't help yourself first.
That concludes my TEDtalk on extreme ownership.
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One tradie goes to work, does his 12 hour shift and goes to his rental home to play computer games 6 days a week. On sunday he just drinks beers at home and watches netflix. He spends all his money on flat screen TVs, newest iPhones, laptops and alcohol so he's left with 0 at the end of the week.
The other tradie goes to the gym for an hour before work, does his shift, goes out 2x a week to hang out with his mates, lives in his rental but saves 30% of his salary every week. On Saturdays and Sundays he goes to the pub for a couple of stubbies and meets new people.
After 5 years the first tradie is still doing the same old chit but the second tradie can put a down payment on a condo. After 10 years he can purchase another property for passive income. He also has infinitely more chances of meeting someone in the pub who might need a new employee or a business partner that his skillset matches.
Both are tradies but one is generating opportunities while the other has given up on life.
There is some luck involved but the second tradie takes ownership of his life and works towards a goal. You can't just lay down and rot because life is unfair, nobody is going to help you if you don't help yourself first.
That concludes my TEDtalk on extreme ownership.
(brought to you by Jocko)
06-24-2021, 08:40 PM
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Anyone who denies that luck is the most important factor in success is most likely overly pretentious and arrogant.
You're born with the intelligence that you have
You grow up with parents that instill certain qualities in you ( brb asian vs black kids attitude toward school)
You meet the right people at the right time
You come up with the right idea at the right time.
The biggest problem is the survivor bias
People ignore all the 99.9% of people that worked very hard without success, while only focusing on the 0.1 % that succeed.
The other important thing is that people are overly optimistic and have an exaggerated sense of agency and perception of control.
For example, I was a 4.0 student in undergrad. It was mostly luck. I happened to be raised to like school. I enjoyed doing well in school more than other activities. I understand things better than most students, not because I did something special but because of my genes and upbringing.
You're born with the intelligence that you have
You grow up with parents that instill certain qualities in you ( brb asian vs black kids attitude toward school)
You meet the right people at the right time
You come up with the right idea at the right time.
The biggest problem is the survivor bias
People ignore all the 99.9% of people that worked very hard without success, while only focusing on the 0.1 % that succeed.
The other important thing is that people are overly optimistic and have an exaggerated sense of agency and perception of control.
For example, I was a 4.0 student in undergrad. It was mostly luck. I happened to be raised to like school. I enjoyed doing well in school more than other activities. I understand things better than most students, not because I did something special but because of my genes and upbringing.
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06-24-2021, 08:41 PM
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You have to work hard to be successful. Not everybody who works hard will be successful.
06-24-2021, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Schnitzl⏩
My argument would be: the 2nd tradie had something instilled in him by parents or someone else (Luck) to save money whereas tradie number 1 was never lucky enough to have someone teach him about saving moneyLuck plays a role but you can't just be indifferent and think everything is predetermined. A simple example would be 2 tradies.
One tradie goes to work, does his 12 hour shift and goes to his rental home to play computer games 6 days a week. On sunday he just drinks beers at home and watches netflix. He spends all his money on flat screen TVs, newest iPhones, laptops and alcohol so he's left with 0 at the end of the week.
The other tradie goes to the gym for an hour before work, does his shift, goes out 2x a week to hang out with his mates, lives in his rental but saves 30% of his salary every week. On Saturdays and Sundays he goes to the pub for a couple of stubbies and meets new people.
After 5 years the first tradie is still doing the same old chit but the second tradie can put a down payment on a condo. After 10 years he can purchase another property for passive income. He also has infinitely more chances of meeting someone in the pub who might need a new employee or a business partner that his skillset matches.
Both are tradies but one is generating opportunities while the other has given up on life.
There is some luck involved but the second tradie takes ownership of his life and works towards a goal. You can't just lay down and rot because life is unfair, nobody is going to help you if you don't help yourself first.
That concludes my TEDtalk on extreme ownership.
(brought to you by Jocko)
One tradie goes to work, does his 12 hour shift and goes to his rental home to play computer games 6 days a week. On sunday he just drinks beers at home and watches netflix. He spends all his money on flat screen TVs, newest iPhones, laptops and alcohol so he's left with 0 at the end of the week.
The other tradie goes to the gym for an hour before work, does his shift, goes out 2x a week to hang out with his mates, lives in his rental but saves 30% of his salary every week. On Saturdays and Sundays he goes to the pub for a couple of stubbies and meets new people.
After 5 years the first tradie is still doing the same old chit but the second tradie can put a down payment on a condo. After 10 years he can purchase another property for passive income. He also has infinitely more chances of meeting someone in the pub who might need a new employee or a business partner that his skillset matches.
Both are tradies but one is generating opportunities while the other has given up on life.
There is some luck involved but the second tradie takes ownership of his life and works towards a goal. You can't just lay down and rot because life is unfair, nobody is going to help you if you don't help yourself first.
That concludes my TEDtalk on extreme ownership.
(brought to you by Jocko)
I guess this comes down to the classic free will/determinism argument
06-24-2021, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted By GaryCarnivals⏩
We are the products of our environmentMy argument would be: the 2nd tradie had something instilled in him by parents or someone else (Luck) to save money whereas tradie number 1 was never lucky enough to have someone teach him about saving money
I guess this comes down to the classic free will/determinism argument
I guess this comes down to the classic free will/determinism argument
We don't really choose our environment unitil we've already been socialized by an environment we didn't choose.
Free will is a cope for people that can't accept the nature of the universe we live in
Unless they bring up religion
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06-24-2021, 08:57 PM
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Fortune favours the brave. If you don’t work hard, you’ll never be successful. Sure, you can ride your daddy’s coattails but that’s not really successful. Some people are dealt a better hand and of course luck plays into that, but even people with lives on easy mode work hard. Many of my colleagues were born with silver spoon but still worked hard in their life to carve their own niche and are successful on their own. Yes, it’ll be much harder if you were born on poverty, but you still have a chance to at least climb out of poverty to middle class, at least in America for now.
06-24-2021, 09:03 PM
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Luck has always been the biggest factor, but the problem is over the last 40 years, luck is playing an increasingly bigger role. Who your parents are today is a much more important factor than who your parents were 40 years ago.
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06-24-2021, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted By GaryCarnivals⏩
Absolutely. If we take this example to the extremes, throwing sand in the sand pits of Botswana from the time you were 4 years old means you have almost no chance of making it. For an average person in the US, there's way too many opportunities to only base it on predeterminism. Even if it is so, there's no harm in trying to better oneself. If your starting point is far behind your peers, you can sit back and let life go past you or you can do something about it. You won't be a billionaire most likely but you can at least make something of yourself.My argument would be: the 2nd tradie had something instilled in him by parents or someone else (Luck) to save money whereas tradie number 1 was never lucky enough to have someone teach him about saving money
I guess this comes down to the classic free will/determinism argument
I guess this comes down to the classic free will/determinism argument
06-24-2021, 09:05 PM
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i think my most glaring perception of this was when i was 18 and on my own.. had to work minimum wage. just came from a super expensive school with all that education. i was the same person you know..
more importantly, i saw all the employees there busting their azz 40 hours a week
then i went around my friend from the rich high school who's parents paid for everything and he was dropping off a 10k dollar check just for living in the dorms for 6 months (at the time that was close to my salary for a year)
that fat ******* was doing jack chit. and then there were people out there busting their azz 40 hours a week for 7.25 / a pittance compared to him
more importantly, i saw all the employees there busting their azz 40 hours a week
then i went around my friend from the rich high school who's parents paid for everything and he was dropping off a 10k dollar check just for living in the dorms for 6 months (at the time that was close to my salary for a year)
that fat ******* was doing jack chit. and then there were people out there busting their azz 40 hours a week for 7.25 / a pittance compared to him
06-24-2021, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
You and me both.i think my most glaring perception of this was when i was 18 and on my own.. had to work minimum wage. just came from a super expensive school with all that education. i was the same person you know..
more importantly, i saw all the employees there busting their azz 40 hours a week
then i went around my friend from the rich high school who's parents paid for everything and he was dropping off a 10k dollar check just for living in the dorms for 6 months (at the time that was close to my salary for a year)
more importantly, i saw all the employees there busting their azz 40 hours a week
then i went around my friend from the rich high school who's parents paid for everything and he was dropping off a 10k dollar check just for living in the dorms for 6 months (at the time that was close to my salary for a year)
06-24-2021, 09:16 PM
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Poor people work a lot harder than successful people, poor people shouldn’t do that. Unfortunately they still will. Throw a stake in the ground and let everything flow around it. Write down affirmations 15 times a day everyday until it comes true. It’s not magic it’s psychology. There’s a certain way of thinking about things that will work out for you. Add Wincel to ignore, he is a loser with no humility. He could live a good life but his ego won’t allow it. The same could be true of you, do not be like him. Think about probability. Multiply everything you do by 1,000 and go with the thing that goes your way more times out of 1,000. I am actually serious about all of this.
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Originally Posted By dizzin9⏩
Define success…
^ these stupid snapchat videos asking random people "what they do for a living" inspired me to make this thread
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Well yeah
Some people have parents who give kids no direction and by the time the kids figure it out, they are 30 already
Some kids are guided properly and making bank at 24 already putting money in proper areas to create wealth
Guidance when young makes a huge difference to later life wealth
Some people have parents who give kids no direction and by the time the kids figure it out, they are 30 already
Some kids are guided properly and making bank at 24 already putting money in proper areas to create wealth
Guidance when young makes a huge difference to later life wealth
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Do you want a cookie for figuring out life ain’t fair OP?
I thought everyone knew you needed the following to have a chance at being successful
Intelligence/talent (born with it=luck)
Work ethic (usually taught by parents but can be learned later in life)
The ability to network/personality(usually taught or born with it, but can be learned)
I thought everyone knew you needed the following to have a chance at being successful
Intelligence/talent (born with it=luck)
Work ethic (usually taught by parents but can be learned later in life)
The ability to network/personality(usually taught or born with it, but can be learned)
*Updated* If you can't hit a 320 yard drive, are you even a man?
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No chit op
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Not at all.
Position/knowledge access to capital combined
Odd. Any tradie can be a millionaire after a decade and a half or two just from saving and investment alone. A tradesman can easily bring in several hundred a year after mastering a craft and running a decent business.
Not sure if this is self esteem or confidence Opie. It's really up to you.
Position/knowledge access to capital combined
Odd. Any tradie can be a millionaire after a decade and a half or two just from saving and investment alone. A tradesman can easily bring in several hundred a year after mastering a craft and running a decent business.
Not sure if this is self esteem or confidence Opie. It's really up to you.
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It's a combination of luck and working hard, and working smart. You're not gonna be successful based on luck alone. A million dollars isn't going to just fall into your lap unless you were born into a wealthy family. If you're starting off at a entry level minimum wage job, it's almost impossible to turn that into a million dollars. It takes money to make money, and you can't make enough money to start a business or make big investments if you're working low paying jobs. Breaking thru that initial glass ceiling is the most difficult part. If you have a million dollars you have a ton of options for how you can invest it or grow up. But how are you gonna invest your $800 paycheck from your job? Some people are really lucky and they come up with an idea for an invention, and they have the people skills to network and find investors to make it happen. Another miscer might have a great idea but they don't have the connections so it goes no where. So there's a lot of variables and luck that goes into it.
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In the end, all luck or any meme won't help you.
In the end, all luck or any meme won't help you.
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