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Carnivores of the misc, let’s talk beef

It’s raining so I’m in the house until it stops and have some time to kill. I’m starting a boxed beef business and since I’m a cattle rancher with a near autistic level of obsession with breeding cattle/genetics to produce the best steaks this world has ever seen at the lowest cost possible to consumer I figure this would be a good place to think tank it.

Let’s start off with where you’re currently located and what your preferred cuts cost per pound in addition to any questions or comments... and GO!
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What do you do with the genetically inferior cattle miscers?
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
It’s raining so I’m in the house until it stops and have some time to kill. I’m starting a boxed beef business and since I’m a cattle rancher with a near autistic level of obsession with breeding cattle/genetics to produce the best steaks this world has ever seen at the lowest cost possible to consumer I figure this would be a good place to think tank it.

Let’s start off with where you’re currently located and what your preferred cuts cost per pound in addition to any questions or comments... and GO!
I'm in Chicago. How do we get your beef sold in this market? Looking to be a distributer for you. Can you make it Kosher (not for me but I have connections in that market)?
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
What do you do with the genetically inferior cattle miscers?
Fuk them to assert dominance obviously
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Please vocaroo a yeehah for the Brits

Many thanks

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Originally Posted By nothingshocking⏩
I'm in Chicago. How do we get your beef sold in this market? Looking to be a distributer for you. Can you make it Kosher (not for me but I have connections in that market)?
Well there lies one of my bigger mysteries at the moment, exactly how high demand is and how do I determine which markets I want to serve. I’m going to start small with a test group of 20 steers because I know I can move that much without worry but I could ultimately do 4-500 a year which would require a large jump in scale of operation but if the profit dictates it necessary I will do so. The end game is to sell all my steers as boxed beef and all my heifers sold as replacement cattle or kept by me for the same, maximum efficiency for the ranch. And yeah I can do kosher easy enough, I’ve been running a band saw and a meat cleaver for 20 years, I’m keen on such practices.
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Hamburger steak
Flank steak
Round steak
Sirloin steaks 6 oz

I eat those daily

I’m in florida next to NY we got the best steakhouses and bbq spots in the world. And I’m blessed because I am a beef addict and I can get a fix anytime.

Prime rib, ny strip, sirloin 12-16 Oz, and porterhouse I eat too in ample amounts but not daily

Texas and the Carolinas are ok I guess.
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Don’t know if it’s a thing in the states but a big thing over here is boxes of meat direct from farmer, which means you get the whole profit margin
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
Don’t know if it’s a thing in the states but a big thing over here is boxes of meat direct from farmer, which means you get the whole profit margin
That’s precisely what I’m doing, it’s not big yet but the more push for making cattle ranching illegal accompanied by the big push for fake meat it will put me at a distinct advantage. Regarding your vocaroo request do you want like a 1950’s western movie yee haw or do you want it done in my voice?
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
That’s precisely what I’m doing, it’s not big yet but the more push for making cattle ranching illegal accompanied by the big push for fake meat it will put me at a distinct advantage. Regarding your vocaroo request do you want like a 1950’s western movie yee haw or do you want it done in my voice?
If I can get a yes ma’am too you can do whatever the hell you like
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
If I can get a yes ma’am too you can do whatever the hell you like


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I pay $12 to $16 for a strip steak and that is a special occasion, but I am not really a man of means.

I would reckon that people buying top shelf steaks probably have deep pockets, and you could reach them through online retailers. There are a number of ranchers that sell high quality cuts direct over the internet and people pay a premium for it. I'd write them over email or something, they probably have some information and experience with that sort of business that they can share.

If it's really high quality beef then you could also source to high-end restaurants. Maybe you could sell your stuff direct to existing online retailers so you don't have to do all that marketing and website building stuff. I think a good move would be to get an idea of what the market and supply chain looks like. Who is charging what, which companies have the most market share, and what people are buying.

Now I may be mistaken, but don't many cattle ranchers sell their livestock at auction?
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You’re not mistaken, almost all cattle are sold at auction. From there they are sent to feed lots or farms to be fed until they reach slaughter weight then sent to slaughter and from there they go to the super market. I have the ability to do all the above, cutting out 3 middle men so to speak.

I gave high hopes for myself and I may be over estimating myself but I firmly believe with my system of cross breeding and grass heavy feed program I can revolutionize how steak quality is measured and appreciated. I just turned my auksushi (Japanese, thing wagyu A5) out with my cows, can’t wait to see the product. Waiting is the hardest part.
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you would crack up at what our "grass fed" free range cattle have to live on out here in the desert. especially in the epic drought were in. i buy local meat though, still taste good to me. but it doesnt have the same grain as SD meat
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op you going to need any more ranchers if your business idea takes off?
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Originally Posted By Deathstroke⏩
Hamburger steak
Flank steak
Round steak
Sirloin steaks 6 oz

I eat those daily

I’m in florida next to NY we got the best steakhouses and bbq spots in the world. And I’m blessed because I am a beef addict and I can get a fix anytime.

Prime rib, ny strip, sirloin 12-16 Oz, and porterhouse I eat too in ample amounts but not daily

Texas and the Carolinas are ok I guess.
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Maybe on the steak house parts (don't really eat at steakhouses big waste of money) but FL and NY don't even come close to states closer to the Midwest where all the beef comes from for BBQ joints. I traveled heavily from CO to NY tons of times so I'm not speaking out my ass

Even my local Sam's and butchers have way better cuts than what I would get in NY and way better prices cause of my location
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
That’s precisely what I’m doing, it’s not big yet but the more push for making cattle ranching illegal accompanied by the big push for fake meat it will put me at a distinct advantage. Regarding your vocaroo request do you want like a 1950’s western movie yee haw or do you want it done in my voice?
I think we're a long ways from that. If this was on the horizon though, it would be very advantageous for agricultural corporations and not so much for family farms.

However, it does seem like it would be very difficult for the government to enforce this, let alone regulate the lives of people out in the country.

Back in the day, the USSR tried really hard to regulate and control the lives of their citizens. This was somewhat effective in urban regions, but they failed completely to accomplish this out in rural areas. Eventually, they just gave up, because it was a logistical nightmare for them. I mean, imagine what it would be like if they tried to send agents out to every single cattle farm in the USA to confiscate their cattle.

It would be like trying to take everyone's guns.

The way I see it, it's just not something they could realistically do. I could be wrong though, but that's just my take.
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩


“I am undone” to quote Jane Austen

Or in misc common parlance “hnnnng”
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Originally Posted By DrugsToGetBig⏩
op you going to need any more ranchers if your business idea takes off?
In a perfect world yes but ranchers tend to be creatures of habit and the thought of change terrifies them which is why the industry is in shambles, refusal to adapt. I love ranching with my heart and soul but I also realize that to continue being a rancher I have to change with the times.

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...rancher+rained

Just to give you guys a touch more perspective here’s an old thread that’s pretty informative and pic heavy. It may help provide a bit more insight.
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how much can i get a half a beef for
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
You’re not mistaken, almost all cattle are sold at auction. From there they are sent to feed lots or farms to be fed until they reach slaughter weight then sent to slaughter and from there they go to the super market. I have the ability to do all the above, cutting out 3 middle men so to speak.

I gave high hopes for myself and I may be over estimating myself but I firmly believe with my system of cross breeding and grass heavy feed program I can revolutionize how steak quality is measured and appreciated. I just turned my auksushi (Japanese, thing wagyu A5) out with my cows, can’t wait to see the product. Waiting is the hardest part.
There are some ranchers in Texas that work with Japanese wagyu farmers doing all the science with genetics and such to get premium beef. I've also read that a number of Navajo ranchers have moved to grass heavy ranching in order to get higher quality beef and make smaller operations more viable in the face of factory farmed beef. When it comes to lower grade beef, I just don't see how a traditional cattle rancher could compete with factory farms / corporations.

However, the idea of producing really high quality beef in a traditional manner seems very viable. From what I can tell, it is a way to preserve that way of life from the ongoing march of factory farms that is destroying rural communities. What's a joke is that these clowns in Washington would ban cattle ranching while collecting lobbyist funds (bribes) from large agricultural corporate interests.
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Let me partner with you. Been around the family ranch my whole life. Tell me what you need srs
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
“I am undone” to quote Jane Austen

Or in misc common parlance “hnnnng”
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Originally Posted By redwine91⏩
Let me partner with you. Been around the family ranch my whole life. Tell me what you need srs
I was wondering when you were drop by good buddy, I’m not opposed at all I just need to get a few kinks worked out. As you know waiting is the hardest part in ranching. I’ll definitely keep you in mind.
Originally Posted By BeanGainClovis⏩
There are some ranchers in Texas that work with Japanese wagyu farmers doing all the science with genetics and such to get premium beef. I've also read that a number of Navajo ranchers have moved to grass heavy ranching in order to get higher quality beef and make smaller operations more viable in the face of factory farmed beef. When it comes to lower grade beef, I just don't see how a traditional cattle rancher could compete with factory farms / corporations.

However, the idea of producing really high quality beef in a traditional manner seems very viable. From what I can tell, it is a way to preserve that way of life from the ongoing march of factory farms that is destroying rural communities. What's a joke is that these clowns in Washington would ban cattle ranching while collecting lobbyist funds (bribes) from large agricultural corporate interests.
You’re points are valid but the fact is many miscers have probably ate more Mexican beef than American. The vast amount of beef in grocery stores is foreign garbage. The factory farms will be outlawed in less than 5 years but it will only change how it’s exported. We export our quality beef for pennies on the dollar and import unregulated garbage from Mexico and South America.
Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
how much can i get a half a beef for
I can’t give any rock solid prices at the moment since I’m not quite in production yet but prelim figures show me top to bottom ~$8 per pound.
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Cattle brah here

Also have a couple wagyu cows and a bull. I don't really ranch though. Focused more on rotational grazing.

Just got in from making hay, hngggg that smell of fresh cut alfalfa
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I'm actually not a big Beef person (not what we typically mean when say steak in America) and mostly prefer poultry.

I do love things like Beef Jerky, LEGIT Carne Asada burritos (I no longer live in Cali though), Mongolian Beef, etc.

What do they mainly use for those things? Skirt Steak?
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
I'm actually not a big Beef person (not what we typically mean when say steak in America) and mostly prefer poultry.

I do love things like Beef Jerky, LEGIT Carne Asada burritos (I no longer live in Cali though), Mongolian Beef, etc.

What do they mainly use for those things? Skirt Steak?
Skirt is what’s primarily used for those yes. Not to doubt you but I would bet the ranch if given access to quality beef you’d prefer it to poultry. It saddens me how low quality the beef city folks are forced to pay good money for.
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Originally Posted By GooBaaa⏩
Maybe on the steak house parts (don't really eat at steakhouses big waste of money) but FL and NY don't even come close to states closer to the Midwest where all the beef comes from for BBQ joints. I traveled heavily from CO to NY tons of times so I'm not speaking out my ass

Even my local Sam's and butchers have way better cuts than what I would get in NY and way better prices cause of my location
I believe you on bbq.

Really I think Tampa has made it at the top of the list of good steak in USA. Last I looked. Maybe it’s different now.

I lived in Indiana and I doubt you or anyone can call me out on better deep fried brain sandwiches which we had the goat diner for those and pork tenderloin.

But yea obviously There’s better bbq lol 😂 elsewhere. You got me there!

The best here I find is located in mobile food trucks for some chicken, ribs and pulled pork. And corn, Mac n cheese and slaw maybe. But sides obviously don’t make the man.

Beans on the side good. I like it cooked ok the can like Hogan out of the can and into the ... Miscer.
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I'm a filet guy myself. If I'm paying a lot of money, grass finished makes me feel better about the price, but I can't really tell the difference. I'm definitely not an insert such and such cut has better flavor person, I l'm all for the tenderness.
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Originally Posted By BigRangs⏩
I'm a filet guy myself. If I'm paying a lot of money, grass finished makes me feel better about the price, but I can't really tell the difference. I'm definitely not an insert such and such cut has better flavor person, I l'm all for the tenderness.
You can’t tell the difference because if it’s bought in a super market there is no difference. Legit 100% life long grass fed beef has a distinct taste difference versus corn finished. The grass fed beef movement is a scam no more, no less. The parameters to be labeled grass fed are ridiculously vague to the point nearly every cow in America qualify. It’s just an excuse to charge more for the same product.
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