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08-04-2021, 01:18 PM
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FDA Being Pushed For Approval By 09/06; WHO Halts Booster
President Biden said last week that he expected a fully approved vaccine in early fall. But the F.D.A.’s unofficial deadline is Labor Day or sooner, according to multiple people familiar with the plan. The agency said in a statement that its leaders recognized that approval might inspire more public confidence and had “taken an all-hands-on-deck approach” to the work.
Federal regulators have been under growing public pressure to fully approve Pfizer’s vaccine ever since the company filed its application on May 7. “I just have not sensed a sense of urgency from the F.D.A. on full approval,” Dr. Ashish K. Jha, the dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, said in an interview on Tuesday. “And I find it baffling, given where we are as a country in terms of infections, hospitalizations and deaths.”
Although 192 million Americans — 58 percent of the total population and 70 percent of the nation’s adults — have received at least one vaccine shot, many remain vulnerable to the ultracontagious, dominant Delta variant. The country is averaging nearly 86,000 new infections a day, an increase of 142 percent in just two weeks, according to a New York Times database.
Full approval of the Pfizer vaccine will kick off a patchwork of vaccination mandates across the country. Like most other employees of federal agencies, civilians working for the Defense Department must be vaccinated or face regular testing. But the military has held off on ordering shots for 1.3 million active-duty service members until the F.D.A. acts.
The City of San Francisco has said its roughly 44,500 employees must be fully vaccinated within 10 weeks of F.D.A. approval. The State University of New York, with roughly 400,000 students, is on a parallel track.
A number of health care systems have issued similar mandates to employees, including Beaumont Health, the largest health provider in Michigan, with 33,000 employees, and Mass General Brigham in Massachusetts, with about 80,000 workers.
In a guest essay in The Times last month, Dr. Peter Marks, the agency’s top vaccine regulator, wrote that undue haste “would undermine the F.D.A.’s statutory responsibilities, affect public trust in the agency and do little to help combat vaccine hesitancy.”
The regulators want to see real-world data on how the vaccine has been working since they authorized it for emergency use in December. That means verifying the company’s data on vaccine efficacy and immune responses, reviewing how efficacy or immunity might decline over time, examining new infections in participants in continuing clinical trials, reviewing adverse reactions to vaccinations and inspecting manufacturing plants.
At the same time, senior health officials at the F.D.A. and other agencies are grappling with whether at least some people who are already vaccinated need booster shots. Several officials are arguing that boosters will be widely needed before long, while others contend that the scientific basis for them remains far from settled.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/u...-approval.htmlFederal regulators have been under growing public pressure to fully approve Pfizer’s vaccine ever since the company filed its application on May 7. “I just have not sensed a sense of urgency from the F.D.A. on full approval,” Dr. Ashish K. Jha, the dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, said in an interview on Tuesday. “And I find it baffling, given where we are as a country in terms of infections, hospitalizations and deaths.”
Although 192 million Americans — 58 percent of the total population and 70 percent of the nation’s adults — have received at least one vaccine shot, many remain vulnerable to the ultracontagious, dominant Delta variant. The country is averaging nearly 86,000 new infections a day, an increase of 142 percent in just two weeks, according to a New York Times database.
Full approval of the Pfizer vaccine will kick off a patchwork of vaccination mandates across the country. Like most other employees of federal agencies, civilians working for the Defense Department must be vaccinated or face regular testing. But the military has held off on ordering shots for 1.3 million active-duty service members until the F.D.A. acts.
The City of San Francisco has said its roughly 44,500 employees must be fully vaccinated within 10 weeks of F.D.A. approval. The State University of New York, with roughly 400,000 students, is on a parallel track.
A number of health care systems have issued similar mandates to employees, including Beaumont Health, the largest health provider in Michigan, with 33,000 employees, and Mass General Brigham in Massachusetts, with about 80,000 workers.
In a guest essay in The Times last month, Dr. Peter Marks, the agency’s top vaccine regulator, wrote that undue haste “would undermine the F.D.A.’s statutory responsibilities, affect public trust in the agency and do little to help combat vaccine hesitancy.”
The regulators want to see real-world data on how the vaccine has been working since they authorized it for emergency use in December. That means verifying the company’s data on vaccine efficacy and immune responses, reviewing how efficacy or immunity might decline over time, examining new infections in participants in continuing clinical trials, reviewing adverse reactions to vaccinations and inspecting manufacturing plants.
At the same time, senior health officials at the F.D.A. and other agencies are grappling with whether at least some people who are already vaccinated need booster shots. Several officials are arguing that boosters will be widely needed before long, while others contend that the scientific basis for them remains far from settled.
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08-04-2021, 01:19 PM
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https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...nd-2021-08-04/
We've seen a study that the mortality risk to people under 18 is 2 in a million.
But instead of vaccinating the most at risk populations in other countries our country won't rest until we have 100% vaccination whether you want it or need it.
Aug 4 (Reuters) - The World Health Organization is calling for a halt on COVID-19 vaccine boosters until at least the end of September, its head Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Wednesday, as the gap between vaccinations in wealthy and poor countries widens.
The call for a moratorium is the strongest statement yet from the UN agency at a time when countries deliberate the need for boosters to combat the fast-spreading Delta variant of the coronavirus.
"I understand the concern of all governments to protect their people from the Delta variant. But we cannot accept countries that have already used most of the global supply of vaccines using even more of it," Tedros added.
"We need an urgent reversal from the majority of vaccines going to high-income countries to the majority going to low-income countries," Tedros said.
So in the US 70% of adults and 58% of total population are vaccinated and it seems some people are already trying to get third doses on their own.The call for a moratorium is the strongest statement yet from the UN agency at a time when countries deliberate the need for boosters to combat the fast-spreading Delta variant of the coronavirus.
"I understand the concern of all governments to protect their people from the Delta variant. But we cannot accept countries that have already used most of the global supply of vaccines using even more of it," Tedros added.
"We need an urgent reversal from the majority of vaccines going to high-income countries to the majority going to low-income countries," Tedros said.
We've seen a study that the mortality risk to people under 18 is 2 in a million.
But instead of vaccinating the most at risk populations in other countries our country won't rest until we have 100% vaccination whether you want it or need it.
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08-04-2021, 01:22 PM
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Video at link
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...august-1-2021/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...august-1-2021/
DIRECTOR OF ISRAELI PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES DR. SHARON ALROY-PREIS:
So there are two major concerns. One is that the Delta variant is 50% more infectious than the previous, the Alpha variant, which was 50% more infectious than the original one. And we still have a third of our population that is not immunized or has not been recovered. We have a large children population. And so that is obviously concerning. The other point is that we are seeing about 50% of the people who are infected right now are vaccinated, fully vaccinated individuals. And so that is obviously of concern. Previously, we thought that vaccinated, fully vaccinated individuals are protected. We're now see- we now see that the vaccine effectiveness against disease is roughly 40%. It still remains high for severe disease. But we are seeing diminished protection, especially for people who have been vaccinated earlier.
Why would she not consider household spread among vaccinated?So there are two major concerns. One is that the Delta variant is 50% more infectious than the previous, the Alpha variant, which was 50% more infectious than the original one. And we still have a third of our population that is not immunized or has not been recovered. We have a large children population. And so that is obviously concerning. The other point is that we are seeing about 50% of the people who are infected right now are vaccinated, fully vaccinated individuals. And so that is obviously of concern. Previously, we thought that vaccinated, fully vaccinated individuals are protected. We're now see- we now see that the vaccine effectiveness against disease is roughly 40%. It still remains high for severe disease. But we are seeing diminished protection, especially for people who have been vaccinated earlier.
DR. ALROY-PREIS: Exactly, exactly. There is a spread among household contacts, but if we take household contacts out of the equation, the- the- the risk of a confirmed case who is vaccinated to infect others is about 10% for- to infect one other individual and lower than 10% to infect more than one.
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Get jabbed and still wear a mask? **** it, if I die I die. Not super interested in the trajectory the world is going anyway.
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I hope there is someone to provide third party data or at least audit the "company's data" before signing off for approval.
I don't like the idea of rushing the process. Also, lol at the comment about the FDA not having a sense of urgency about it.
I don't like the idea of rushing the process. Also, lol at the comment about the FDA not having a sense of urgency about it.
08-04-2021, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted By iabs⏩
- political pressure on the FDA to approve the Pfizer vaccine quicklyCLIFFS? I can not and refuse to keep up with this circus anymore.
- approved vaccine will open the door to more vaccine mandates
- WHO says the wrong people are being vaccinated [wealthy countries vs. oldest/sickest people]
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Originally Posted By yabbayabba⏩
Probably the realest post i've read on the misc in months.Get jabbed and still wear a mask? **** it, if I die I die. Not super interested in the trajectory the world is going anyway.
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so the FDA has reached the point where they are attempting to rapidly approve an experimental drug in order that it gets used as much as possible
that fukken insane to anyone else?
that fukken insane to anyone else?
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08-04-2021, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted By keyboardworkout⏩
So far as I can tell there is a trend of using the numbers that put the best spin on the case that vaccines are effective.Video at link
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...august-1-2021/
Why would she not consider household spread among vaccinated?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcr...august-1-2021/
Why would she not consider household spread among vaccinated?
See: the CDC stopped tracking/counting vaccinated people with symptomatic COVID that didn't end up hospitalized or dead.
As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.
It is in plain view on their own site.https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ugh-cases.html
Then they tell us there are only 6K breakthrough cases.
Kind of like reporting for side effects, severe effects, and death from vaccines right? It is widely accepted that these things are under reported, but when anyone brings up how much more negatives incidents there are for this vaccine than for all other vaccines for decades we are told that the numbers don't mean that much as they are reported, but not confirmed to be a result of vaccination.
Yet I feel strongly that if the number of incidents were really in favor of the vaccine that instead of excusing it and brushing it aside they would be bragging about how great the results are.
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08-04-2021, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
Well yes, but the overall more insane part is the fact that said experimental drug has been proven to not be all that effective (for a virus with a VERY low mortality rate) but yet they keep pushing hard for everyone to get vaxxed. Of course, getting the FDA approval will just give the greenlight for them to escalate the "mandates". FDA (even if they were coerced) approved - "TrUsT tHe ScIeNcE".so the FDA has reached the point where they are attempting to rapidly approve an experimental drug in order that it gets used as much as possible
that fukken insane to anyone else?
that fukken insane to anyone else?
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It was pushed to get done for an emergency
now its a faux emergency and they are back to rushing things when more data is needed
now its a faux emergency and they are back to rushing things when more data is needed
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Even if FDA approved now, I will not be participating. Sorry, im just not gonna take it.
You do you though.
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now we're doing a rushed "fda approval" to accomodate a rushed "vaccine".
just lmao.
just lmao.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Ok, 70% of adults and 58% of everyone has gotten vaccinated.Well yes, but the overall more insane part is the fact that said experimental drug has been proven to not be all that effective (for a virus with a VERY low mortality rate) but yet they keep pushing hard for everyone to get vaxxed. Of course, getting the FDA approval will just give the greenlight for them to escalate the "mandates". FDA (even if they were coerced) approved - "TrUsT tHe ScIeNcE".
What is the theory here?
a) they care and love us all, each and every life, and know in their hearts the vaccine is saving lives. That is why they are demanding everyone get it.
b) they are greedy fuks who do not give a chit about anyone, they see 42% of the population not getting it and want every dime. Plus, more when they mandate boosters.
c) they know the vaccine is dangerous and they want to make sure everyone gets it for <<insert nefarious reasoning here>>.
..... c-1) world domination
..... c-2) a mass human sacrifice to their dark Lord Moloch
..... c-3) they want to depopulate Earth down to a cozy 500 million
..... c-4) all of the above
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
the public mandates start as soon as the FDA approval occurs. the private mandates are just a bridge to thatWell yes, but the overall more insane part is the fact that said experimental drug has been proven to not be all that effective (for a virus with a VERY low mortality rate) but yet they keep pushing hard for everyone to get vaxxed. Of course, getting the FDA approval will just give the greenlight for them to escalate the "mandates". FDA (even if they were coerced) approved - "TrUsT tHe ScIeNcE".
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Hilarious how our government cares so much about "saving lives" now.
Multiple illegitimate wars where thousands upon thousands of young men 18-30 went to go get killed overseas and even more with PTSD and life altering injuries, all in the name of fueling the military industrial complex.
But now we need vaxx mandates to save some people that were going to die within the next year anyways.
Multiple illegitimate wars where thousands upon thousands of young men 18-30 went to go get killed overseas and even more with PTSD and life altering injuries, all in the name of fueling the military industrial complex.
But now we need vaxx mandates to save some people that were going to die within the next year anyways.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Oh I think I know the answer to this one... Let me try.Ok, 70% of adults and 58% of everyone has gotten vaccinated.
What is the theory here?
a) they care and love us all, each and every life, and know in their hearts the vaccine is saving lives. That is why they are demanding everyone get it.
b) they are greedy fuks who do not give a chit about anyone, they see 42% of the population not getting it and want every dime. Plus, more when they mandate boosters.
c) they know the vaccine is dangerous and they want to make sure everyone gets it for <<insert nefarious reasoning here>>.
..... c-1) world domination
..... c-2) a mass human sacrifice to their dark Lord Moloch
..... c-3) they want to depopulate Earth down to a cozy 500 million
..... c-4) all of the above
What is the theory here?
a) they care and love us all, each and every life, and know in their hearts the vaccine is saving lives. That is why they are demanding everyone get it.
b) they are greedy fuks who do not give a chit about anyone, they see 42% of the population not getting it and want every dime. Plus, more when they mandate boosters.
c) they know the vaccine is dangerous and they want to make sure everyone gets it for <<insert nefarious reasoning here>>.
..... c-1) world domination
..... c-2) a mass human sacrifice to their dark Lord Moloch
..... c-3) they want to depopulate Earth down to a cozy 500 million
..... c-4) all of the above
C 1-4 are using the people who fall into category B (pharma and politicians) to convince group A what to do.
All of the above, in that specific order. I think most health care professionals trust teh science and mean well but do 0 research beyond what they're told (group A). I have no doubt in my mind many pharma/govt people are greedy kunts (B), and well, can't say much about C but.. yea who nose mane, chit is getting weirder by the day ya know?
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
B seems most obvious, but they can sell the shots everywhere, right? Not just in the US? I think I read that here it is $12 a shot being paid to Pfizer. I would think that even poor countries could scratch up $24 + cost of staff and transport to vax their most vulnerable if they want.Ok, 70% of adults and 58% of everyone has gotten vaccinated.
What is the theory here?
a) they care and love us all, each and every life, and know in their hearts the vaccine is saving lives. That is why they are demanding everyone get it.
b) they are greedy fuks who do not give a chit about anyone, they see 42% of the population not getting it and want every dime. Plus, more when they mandate boosters.
c) they know the vaccine is dangerous and they want to make sure everyone gets it for <<insert nefarious reasoning here>>.
..... c-1) world domination
..... c-2) a mass human sacrifice to their dark Lord Moloch
..... c-3) they want to depopulate Earth down to a cozy 500 million
..... c-4) all of the above
What is the theory here?
a) they care and love us all, each and every life, and know in their hearts the vaccine is saving lives. That is why they are demanding everyone get it.
b) they are greedy fuks who do not give a chit about anyone, they see 42% of the population not getting it and want every dime. Plus, more when they mandate boosters.
c) they know the vaccine is dangerous and they want to make sure everyone gets it for <<insert nefarious reasoning here>>.
..... c-1) world domination
..... c-2) a mass human sacrifice to their dark Lord Moloch
..... c-3) they want to depopulate Earth down to a cozy 500 million
..... c-4) all of the above
Dropped a video in another thread:
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=180459973
The higher effectiveness of "waves of terror" to get a population to embrace totalitarianism stood out to me. Says that if you put people into a state of high anxiety, then give them a little break with a calm period, then crank them back into anxiety again you break them more quickly.
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brb trump tho is a demon if he dArE push for approval, yet bi*en and the dems can circumvent the courts, congress and do anything they want including push for approval.
but but i thought it was all about the science
should that be #1
but but i thought it was all about the science
should that be #1
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As you can see, they never really cared for a full FDA approval
Anything to live on the outskirts of society
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Screw the FDA, none of these organizations can be trusted.
WHO is part of UN which was founded by a bunch of occultist satanist. Fuk them.
WHO is part of UN which was founded by a bunch of occultist satanist. Fuk them.
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Conspiracy folks (BTW, being antivax for these COVID vaccines IS NOT the same as being into conspiracies) have been posting in here that the great reset is planned for September.
Your approval date of September 6th made me raise an eyebrow.
Your approval date of September 6th made me raise an eyebrow.
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
Location: BC, CanadaEven if FDA approved now, I will not be participating. Sorry, im just not gonna take it.
You do you though.
You do you though.
you're gonna take it and you're gonna like it
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Originally Posted By xbluexhawkx⏩
Moving the goal postAs you can see, they never really cared for a full FDA approval
Anything to live on the outskirts of society
Anything to live on the outskirts of society
The vaccine could be out for 3 years without any sides and be fully fda approved and they still will make something up
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