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08-05-2021, 11:54 AM
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Misc Medical Crew: What about a lower dose of Moderna?
I know that there have been a few miscers saying that they or someone they know is being forced to be vaccinated.
There was mention of finding another doctor who would falsify vaccination documentation which would be risky.
But what if doctors could do this for each other? Or for patients? Would a physician be at risk if they could honestly state that they administered the vaccination?
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If you believe that "the dose makes the poison" and vaccination is unavoidable in practice for you then it would be very good if you could find a practitioner who would administer a lower dose of the Moderna vaccination.
Presently the Pfizer shot is two doses of 30 ml while the Moderna shot is two doses of 100 ml. I think that may contribute in some way to people having bad reactions- too much of the vaccination for their particular physiology.
There was a study that found that two doses of Moderna at 25 ml per dose was effective so I don't see any medical reason that a physician would be wrong to use that dosage. Legally who can say.
But still everyone must be vaccinated or else be purged from society.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01893-0
There was mention of finding another doctor who would falsify vaccination documentation which would be risky.
But what if doctors could do this for each other? Or for patients? Would a physician be at risk if they could honestly state that they administered the vaccination?
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If you believe that "the dose makes the poison" and vaccination is unavoidable in practice for you then it would be very good if you could find a practitioner who would administer a lower dose of the Moderna vaccination.
Presently the Pfizer shot is two doses of 30 ml while the Moderna shot is two doses of 100 ml. I think that may contribute in some way to people having bad reactions- too much of the vaccination for their particular physiology.
There was a study that found that two doses of Moderna at 25 ml per dose was effective so I don't see any medical reason that a physician would be wrong to use that dosage. Legally who can say.
In the earliest trial of Moderna’s mRNA-based vaccine, study participants received one of three dose levels: 25, 100 or 250 micrograms3.The top dose proved too toxic.The low dose elicited the weakest immune response. The middle dose seemed to offer the best balance: it triggered strong immunity and had acceptable side effects.
That 100-microgram dose ultimately became the one authorized for mass use in dozens of countries. But Moderna scientists later showed that a half-dose seemed to be just as good as the standard dose at stimulating immune protection4.
To find out whether a low dose might offer protection, scientists analysed blood from 35 participants in the original trial. Each had received two 25-microgram jabs of vaccine 28 days apart.
Six months after the second shot, nearly all of the 35 participants had ‘neutralizing’ antibodies, which block the virus from infecting cells, the researchers reported in a preprint published on 5 July1. Participants’ blood also contained an armada of different T cells, both ‘killer’ cells that can destroy infected cells and a variety of ‘helper’ cells that aid in general immune defence.
Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime
Levels of both antibodies and T cells were comparable to those found in people who have recovered from COVID-19.
“It is quite remarkable — and quite promising — that you can easily detect responses for that long a time,” says Daniela Weiskopf, an immunologist at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology (LJI) in California and a co-author of the study, which has not yet been peer reviewed.
Corine Geurts van Kessel, a clinical virologist at the Erasmus University Medical Center in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, who was not involved in the study, agrees. “It’s rather good news,” she says. “Even with a low dose, you can prime your own immune system in quite a nice way.”
Weiskopf and her study co-author Shane Crotty, also at the LJI, are among the scientists who would prefer carefully planned trials to confirm the efficacy of reduced vaccine doses before any such regimen is widely deployed. One such trial is ongoing: a study in Belgium is comparing a lower-dose version of the vaccine from Pfizer–BioNTech against the standard dose.
But Sarah Cobey, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of Chicago in Illinois and a co-author of a 5 July Nature Medicine commentary5 supporting dose ‘fractionation’, disagrees about the need for time-consuming data collection.
“We shouldn’t wait that long,” she says. “People are dying, and we have historical precedent for making very well-reasoned guesses that we think are going to save lives.”
Less is more
Even if the immune responses spurred by the low-dose strategy are only moderately effective at keeping SARS-CoV-2 at bay, it could still be worth giving quarter doses to speed up the pace of vaccination around the world, argues Tabarrok.
According to a modelling study published by Tabarrok and other economists, such an approach would reduce infections and COVID-19-linked deaths more than current policies6. The study has not yet been peer reviewed.
A half-dose now is more useful to an unvaccinated person than a full dose a year from now, Tabarrok says, which means that dose-stretching “is a way of promoting vaccine equity.”
Note: This is Nature saying that if you have had COVID you will probably have lifetime antibodies.That 100-microgram dose ultimately became the one authorized for mass use in dozens of countries. But Moderna scientists later showed that a half-dose seemed to be just as good as the standard dose at stimulating immune protection4.
To find out whether a low dose might offer protection, scientists analysed blood from 35 participants in the original trial. Each had received two 25-microgram jabs of vaccine 28 days apart.
Six months after the second shot, nearly all of the 35 participants had ‘neutralizing’ antibodies, which block the virus from infecting cells, the researchers reported in a preprint published on 5 July1. Participants’ blood also contained an armada of different T cells, both ‘killer’ cells that can destroy infected cells and a variety of ‘helper’ cells that aid in general immune defence.
Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime
Levels of both antibodies and T cells were comparable to those found in people who have recovered from COVID-19.
“It is quite remarkable — and quite promising — that you can easily detect responses for that long a time,” says Daniela Weiskopf, an immunologist at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology (LJI) in California and a co-author of the study, which has not yet been peer reviewed.
Corine Geurts van Kessel, a clinical virologist at the Erasmus University Medical Center in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, who was not involved in the study, agrees. “It’s rather good news,” she says. “Even with a low dose, you can prime your own immune system in quite a nice way.”
Weiskopf and her study co-author Shane Crotty, also at the LJI, are among the scientists who would prefer carefully planned trials to confirm the efficacy of reduced vaccine doses before any such regimen is widely deployed. One such trial is ongoing: a study in Belgium is comparing a lower-dose version of the vaccine from Pfizer–BioNTech against the standard dose.
But Sarah Cobey, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of Chicago in Illinois and a co-author of a 5 July Nature Medicine commentary5 supporting dose ‘fractionation’, disagrees about the need for time-consuming data collection.
“We shouldn’t wait that long,” she says. “People are dying, and we have historical precedent for making very well-reasoned guesses that we think are going to save lives.”
Less is more
Even if the immune responses spurred by the low-dose strategy are only moderately effective at keeping SARS-CoV-2 at bay, it could still be worth giving quarter doses to speed up the pace of vaccination around the world, argues Tabarrok.
According to a modelling study published by Tabarrok and other economists, such an approach would reduce infections and COVID-19-linked deaths more than current policies6. The study has not yet been peer reviewed.
A half-dose now is more useful to an unvaccinated person than a full dose a year from now, Tabarrok says, which means that dose-stretching “is a way of promoting vaccine equity.”
But still everyone must be vaccinated or else be purged from society.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01893-0
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08-05-2021, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
lol bitchplsBut still everyone must be vaccinated or else be purged from society.
08-05-2021, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted By ThisIsMyAlias⏩
Well what would you call if if you aren't allowed to go to the gym? movies? restaurants? schools?lol bitchpls
What about if your job threatens to fire you? You can't travel freely?
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08-05-2021, 12:18 PM
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I don't know Katya lol, but whenever I read your posts. I read it aloud in an eastern european accent like a woman from Belarus.
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08-05-2021, 12:19 PM
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