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can any IT/Comp sci brahs help with some info?

looking to finish a decent bachelors degree and am leaning towards the cybersecurity field

but i also realize thats a very broad term & area and finding an actual cybersecurity degree is few and far between at schools


so my question(s) are what are some good gigs in the cybersecurity field and what degree(s) are needed in order to get them?


i have a great connection into a fortune 100 company due to my moneyMOGGER HVM uncle and i'd be guaranteed internships/employment with them
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Originally Posted By lnvictus
You don't need a degree.
just get your CISSP and OSCP and land yourself a gig in a SOC, then use the experience to move somewhere else better for better salary.
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Originally Posted By lnvictus
You don't need a degree.
just get your CISSP and OSCP and land yourself a gig in a SOC, then use the experience to move somewhere else better for better salary.
i'll have to check to see if that would be sufficient but i believe i'll need some degree to get in through the door

wouldn't holding a degree look better for promotions, etc?
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> Skip a "cybersecurity degree"
> Get A+ / Net+/ Sec
> Profit.

It is literally that easy.

CCNA, CySA or CEH for icing on the cake. eventually get a CISSP.

Get DOD 8570 or 8140 compliant and get a clearance, especially a TS orTS/SCIand hoo lee fuk, you gon be doin aight cuzz

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WGU has a fully online and accredited bachelors in Cybersecurity which also provides some certs along the way. The university is mastery based which means you can pass a class as soon as you can pass the tests. If you knew all the material in some entry level class, you can literally pass in 1 day. The entire point is it's aimed at professionals with some years experience in the field who can get it done quickly on their own. They accept credits you already have too so you can get out of some stuff if you have any college credit already.

Its not going to turn heads like some ivy league degree, but it checks the HR box for resume and it does provide some certs at a reasonable price and you're likely to get them anyway it seems. My friend went for Software Dev and is just finishing the masters in Data analytics. He got hired and is making 120k in seattle as his first real time software engineer job granted he did quite a bit of self study on the side like anyone would need to in order to stand out.

As others have said, you do not NEED a degree, but more and more people will have them and it does help check certain companies HR boxes off. If you are going to need to spend a year self studying anyway (don't bull**** me and act like you'll study 8 hours a day 7 days a week) then it's not a bad or expensive option TBH. No I am not affiliated in anyway, but this seems very ideal for your specific situation. Either way get to work and good luck.

wgu.edu/online-it-degrees/cybersecurity-information-assurance-bachelors-program.html
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CISSP and OSCP are pretty hard certifications to get and it would be extremely hard to jump into those without prior experience.

A much better path would be get basic certifications first like Security+ and then work your way up to CISSP. Then if you are really ambitious go for OSCP. I'll be honest I would be very surprised if you have an OSCP in 3 years from making this thread. I would put the chances below 5% being very generous.
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Originally Posted By friesbruh
> Skip a "cybersecurity degree"
> Get A+ / Net+/ Sec
> Profit.

It is literally that easy.

CCNA, CySA or CEH for icing on the cake. eventually get a CISSP.

Get DOD 8570 or 8140 compliant and get a clearance, especially a TS orTS/SCIand hoo lee fuk, you gon be doin aight cuzz

JFL at hurr durr what degree do i need
Agree with this post. Keep in mind not having a degree is going to be a major barrier to entry for a lot of positions. It is a standard weed out criteria.
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CISSP requires work experience I believe.

My advice would be:
1. Get Security+ (this allows you to be eligible for Secret security clearance which has a huge job market) plus this allows you to understand basics like CIA triad, defense in depth concepts, access controls, etc

2. Personal projects > degree
- Make projects and post on line GitHub, do CTF’s to learn the sides of blue/red, etc
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Originally Posted By Xerve
CISSP requires work experience I believe.

My advice would be:
1. Get Security+ (this allows you to be eligible for Secret security clearance which has a huge job market) plus this allows you to understand basics like CIA triad, defense in depth concepts, access controls, etc

2. Personal projects > degree
- Make projects and post on line GitHub, do CTF’s to learn the sides of blue/red, etc
You can pass the exam without it, but then you have 6 years to complete 5 years of industry experience. Only then do you get to apply for the endorsement. That's why most people work first, since you have to anyway.
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Originally Posted By lnvictus
You don't need a degree.
just get your CISSP and OSCP and land yourself a gig in a SOC, then use the experience to move somewhere else better for better salary.
Lold at “just go get your CISSP bro”

https://www.isc2.org/Certifications/...e-requirements


Candidates must have a minimum of five years cumulative paid work experience in two or more of the eight domains of the CISSP CBK. Earning a four-year college degree or regional equivalent or an additional credential from the (ISC)² approved list will satisfy one year of the required experience. Education credit will only satisfy one year of experience.






For Opie, how close are you to finishing your degree, and what experience do you have? The field is starving for talent and funding(at least from the government level) is flooding in. So if you have a degree, Net+, and Sec+ as a minimum you can probably find a decent entry level job. Get SIEM experience and look for free tools that you can play around with on your home network. That way when you interview you can speak as if you know what you’re talking about. There are lots of different aspects to it, but it’s probably easier to get an entry level job as an analyst on a blue team so I’d recommend leaning towards defensive tools. Then if you end up somewhere decent you should interact with the offensive aspect of it and decide if you’d enjoy pentesting or other areas more. And when in doubt, learn more about networking.
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Originally Posted By friesbruh
> Skip a "cybersecurity degree"
> Get A+ / Net+/ Sec
> Profit.

It is literally that easy.

CCNA, CySA or CEH for icing on the cake. eventually get a CISSP.

Get DOD 8570 or 8140 compliant and get a clearance, especially a TS orTS/SCIand hoo lee fuk, you gon be doin aight cuzz

JFL at hurr durr what degree do i need
so the general consensus i'm seeing is that relevant certs > any college education generally speaking

Originally Posted By DrumsNotDead
WGU has a fully online and accredited bachelors in Cybersecurity which also provides some certs along the way. The university is mastery based which means you can pass a class as soon as you can pass the tests. If you knew all the material in some entry level class, you can literally pass in 1 day. The entire point is it's aimed at professionals with some years experience in the field who can get it done quickly on their own. They accept credits you already have too so you can get out of some stuff if you have any college credit already.

Its not going to turn heads like some ivy league degree, but it checks the HR box for resume and it does provide some certs at a reasonable price and you're likely to get them anyway it seems. My friend went for Software Dev and is just finishing the masters in Data analytics. He got hired and is making 120k in seattle as his first real time software engineer job granted he did quite a bit of self study on the side like anyone would need to in order to stand out.

As others have said, you do not NEED a degree, but more and more people will have them and it does help check certain companies HR boxes off. If you are going to need to spend a year self studying anyway (don't bull**** me and act like you'll study 8 hours a day 7 days a week) then it's not a bad or expensive option TBH. No I am not affiliated in anyway, but this seems very ideal for your specific situation. Either way get to work and good luck.

wgu.edu/online-it-degrees/cybersecurity-information-assurance-bachelors-program.html
thanks for the info and link brah! do you think it would be wise to take any of the certs at my local community college if they offer them?
i will absolutely have to spend a large portion of time learning all of this. my saving grace is that my closest group of friends are all comp sci/it brahs so ill always have a quick answer to any trouble or uncertainty ill encounter
Originally Posted By JeepBruh
CISSP and OSCP are pretty hard certifications to get and it would be extremely hard to jump into those without prior experience.

A much better path would be get basic certifications first like Security+ and then work your way up to CISSP. Then if you are really ambitious go for OSCP. I'll be honest I would be very surprised if you have an OSCP in 3 years from making this thread. I would put the chances below 5% being very generous.
brah if i'm employed in this field making decent $ in 2-3 years time i'll consider that a monumental success
Originally Posted By Xerve
CISSP requires work experience I believe.

My advice would be:
1. Get Security+ (this allows you to be eligible for Secret security clearance which has a huge job market) plus this allows you to understand basics like CIA triad, defense in depth concepts, access controls, etc

2. Personal projects > degree
- Make projects and post on line GitHub, do CTF’s to learn the sides of blue/red, etc
what is generally the cheapest route to obtain all of these certs?
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Lold at “just go get your CISSP bro”

https://www.isc2.org/Certifications/...e-requirements


Candidates must have a minimum of five years cumulative paid work experience in two or more of the eight domains of the CISSP CBK. Earning a four-year college degree or regional equivalent or an additional credential from the (ISC)² approved list will satisfy one year of the required experience. Education credit will only satisfy one year of experience.






For Opie, how close are you to finishing your degree, and what experience do you have? The field is starving for talent and funding(at least from the government level) is flooding in. So if you have a degree, Net+, and Sec+ as a minimum you can probably find a decent entry level job. Get SIEM experience and look for free tools that you can play around with on your home network. That way when you interview you can speak as if you know what you’re talking about. There are lots of different aspects to it, but it’s probably easier to get an entry level job as an analyst on a blue team so I’d recommend leaning towards defensive tools. Then if you end up somewhere decent you should interact with the offensive aspect of it and decide if you’d enjoy pentesting or other areas more. And when in doubt, learn more about networking.
so i'd have half of it done if i transferred all of the gen ed crap to another degree and would need to spend a couple of years taking all of the core curriculum classes

pentesting is exactly the kind of work i'd like to end up doing

what certs would be needed to be hired as an analyst?
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so people really think that a CISSP w/o experience can land you a position? I'm not being a dick, I'm just asking....I would say OSCP is solid because you need to get your hands dirty to learn that stuff.

I just passed my CCNA on Tuesday and have my Security+ as well. I was immediately interviewed at Cisco for a network intern position (WGU), and I'm now at stage 2 of 5. I have 0 expectations, but as a backup plan, if people really think that a CISSP w/ no experience will get you looks for a SOC analyst then its time to start studying.
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Originally Posted By DrugsToGetBig
so the general consensus i'm seeing is that relevant certs > any college education generally speaking



thanks for the info and link brah! do you think it would be wise to take any of the certs at my local community college if they offer them?
i will absolutely have to spend a large portion of time learning all of this. my saving grace is that my closest group of friends are all comp sci/it brahs so ill always have a quick answer to any trouble or uncertainty ill encounter
brah if i'm employed in this field making decent $ in 2-3 years time i'll consider that a monumental success

what is generally the cheapest route to obtain all of these certs?

so i'd have half of it done if i transferred all of the gen ed crap to another degree and would need to spend a couple of years taking all of the core curriculum classes

pentesting is exactly the kind of work i'd like to end up doing

what certs would be needed to be hired as an analyst?
Ehhh, I think most(basically all) places will be very hesitant to hire someone with no degree unless they have lots of verifiable experience. You’ll see lots of postings saying something like (Bacehlors degree in x,y,or z….or an associates plus 2 additional years of experience….or 4 additional years of experience, then list the experience requirements). If you can get an Associates just do that and get your certs as you go through classes. So start with the basics and knock out your A+, then load up on networking classes for 1-2 semesters and plan to have your Net+ shortly afterwards, and finish your degree with any security classes you can take while studying for Sec+. Maximizes your time since you’ll only have to study the material once and end up with both a degree and your certs. Some places will view certs as somewhat comparable to required experience, especially for an entry level position. The CompTIA certs(like A+, Net+, and Sec+) aren’t that much, like a few hundred bucks each, and your school may have vouchers for students. I’d focus on that first and worry about other certs after you get a job in the field. There are lots of other certs that would help, but they’re a lot more expensive so it may be best to see what your employer would like you to get. Plus you’ll have a better idea of which direction you want to go at that point.
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Get a ****: Security

Why the fuk is C C I E censored? It's a fukking Cisco cert. This board is retarded.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Ehhh, I think most(basically all) places will be very hesitant to hire someone with no degree unless they have lots of verifiable experience. You’ll see lots of postings saying something like (Bacehlors degree in x,y,or z….or an associates plus 2 additional years of experience….or 4 additional years of experience, then list the experience requirements). If you can get an Associates just do that and get your certs as you go through classes. So start with the basics and knock out your A+, then load up on networking classes for 1-2 semesters and plan to have your Net+ shortly afterwards, and finish your degree with any security classes you can take while studying for Sec+. Maximizes your time since you’ll only have to study the material once and end up with both a degree and your certs. Some places will view certs as somewhat comparable to required experience, especially for an entry level position. The CompTIA certs(like A+, Net+, and Sec+) aren’t that much, like a few hundred bucks each, and your school may have vouchers for students. I’d focus on that first and worry about other certs after you get a job in the field. There are lots of other certs that would help, but they’re a lot more expensive so it may be best to see what your employer would like you to get. Plus you’ll have a better idea of which direction you want to go at that point.
i agree 100% brah and thats the route i think i should take for myself

does this look about right?

http://catalog.raritanval.edu/previe...2&returnto=920


what 4 year degrees would contain the most amount of relevant experience employers are looking for?
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Get a ****: Security

Why the fuk is C C I E censored? It's a fukking Cisco cert. This board is retarded.
lmao ****

is that what you do brah?
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Originally Posted By lnvictus
You don't need a degree.
just get your CISSP and OSCP and land yourself a gig in a SOC, then use the experience to move somewhere else better for better salary.
This ****** said just get a CISSP and then use that to get a job at a SOC lolol

OP is green, how the hell is he supposed to get this boomer cert? He doesn’t meet the prerequisites to even take the exam.

Second, why would anyone with a CISSP go work in a SOC? That cert should land you a cushy job at a company directly, or as support somewhere as a third party.

OP, get Net+, Sec+ and apply at any SOC. Most are remote, and they offer great exposure to multiple issues, which means you learn more. Skip the A+, it’s a meme.
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I run a multi-vertical IT shop for a large global company and one of the groups I manage is Security.

Security is one of the only IT fields you can literally get in with a simple Security+ cert...

You are gunna start as a SOC analyst staring at logs all day but you are gunna make it and depending on the city you are in, its easy to get in the door.

I got my cousin started off a little over 2 years ago and he is interviewing for a six figure job and will get it because he hustled and knows his stuff.
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