Can we talk about it?

If so, what dosage did your doctor prescribe and do you take an AI? Ive seen mixed information about running an AI. Some swear its necessary and others say if your dosage is correct your estro shouldn't run high enough to dictate using one. Don't ban me again admins. I already took a 10 year hiatus and would rather not go to banned camp for another decade. Don't ask me what i did either, i don't remember.

Started at 100 mg now at 140 mg per week. No AI. I think a lot of people don't like AI's and just dose down a little bit instead of taking one

Inb4 ban

I’m on TRT, gram a week lol.

you dont need a damn AI for TRT levels of test prescribed by a doctor. Unless you live an extremely estrogenic lifestyle where you sit on the couch all day chugging soy lattes and Vodka OJ.

I've messed around with 500. Acne goes crazy regardless of estro control. Fin doesn't seem to help with the reaper. I'm skeptical that derek from mpmd is only on 125. That dudes delts pop a bit too much..

what someone is on vs what it took to get them to where they are are two different things

Im a cubecel but get the workout in 5 or 6 days a week. Wondering what dose wouldn't be appropriate when i'm "off". I think 200mg would be a bit much but considering it.

I agree, thats why i'm trying to figure out what dose would be good to keep what i have.

NO AI

Should not need one for anything sub 200mg

Just pin twice a week to lower the conversion

Monday and Friday

Also buy some test prop run your TRT

And if you are going out to the bars or something pin and extra 25 mg for that boost

Take some DIM also

You only make about 50-70 a week truly natty. Around 100-150ish sounds about right. Any more is "Sport" TRT.

Also inb4 ban.

Good info, was thinking subq and doing 3 times a week do to my shbg likely being on the low end. why prop over longer esters?

No use test E for your trt but if you want a nice boost for a night out have some prop on hand

1. Dosage depends on the individual so discussing it is irrelevant. My buddy that's 5'5 165lbs will run a different dose from the one that's 6'2 240lbs. Even if they have damn near identical levels.


2. AI will be dependent on the individual. If your running a replacement dose of testosterone and are pinning 2-3x per week its not really necessary.


At the end of the day you just need a good doctor. You really aren't going to notice THAT many benefits by going superhero on the dosing as compared to running a replacement dose and getting your levels to 800-900 ng/dl. I've been in the 1500s leveled out and now I'm currently balanced at about 900 ng/dl. I prefer the lower level. Less acne on the face/delts/back. Hormones are super balanced. I've just recently switched to pinning every 3 days.

TBH I don't notice any difference at all being at 900 ng/dl then where I was at 1500. I think at the higher dose my hormones were out of wack more.



As far as injecting more then twice per week its just a pain in the azz. Literally. Testosterone uses bigger needles. 23 or 22 gauge. Over time your going to be jabbing the same areas over and over again. Now that I'm doing 2x per week I alternate glutes and quads. Can't do a quad injection too soon before working legs because I do get some muscle soreness on occasion from it.

50mg twice a week puts me at 1,000 ng/dl.

Consensus now is you can pretty much ignore E2 on trt dosages. AIs do more harm than good.

HCG only if you need to maintain fertility.

Well again, i was thinking doing subq vs. IM. I feel like it will be better for estro sides or atleast this is what i've heard. At a lower bf i'll consider switching from 3x a week to only twice. It will be a slin needle as well. From what i've read pinning frequency depends on a person BF generally speaking. I'll try 150mg and get bloods checked at 8 weeks and see if that is whats works for me. Thanks for the info bud.

I use cypionate and I was told by my doc it doesn't matter if its IM or subq. I tried both prior to doing blood works and it really didn't seem to make a difference in my blood work. I also didn't notice a pain difference. You feel the injection breaking the skin. After that it doesn't seem to matter if you go .5" or 1.5" deep. I use 1" needles now and just go all the way into the muscle to be sure. Don't carry any fat in my quads so no choice there.



Not sure what your using to use a slimmer needle. Cypionate is thicc.

Im afraid of ban, but I had to be on a lot......

My test was 60, estrogen 700

If you pull all the way out and inject all the air it doesn't take long to do half a cc. A smaller needle is gonna result in less scaring over time.

naturally?

you dont have to worry about the damage if you jab it straight down your pee hole

No PIP either, best method by far.

Yeah, I was 460-480lbs when I started to lose weight......hit a plateau and a friend of mine who's an NPC BB'er worked with me and finally said get blood work done......he may have very well saved my life. Dr said I was less than a year from a potential heart attack or stroke. Said low T is extremely dangerous.......

Started to loose weight in 2014 at 460-480lbs.....
Started to take care of hormones at 350lbs in 2016-ish......
I am 6'4

Currently 310lbs +/- 10 lbs, have a chit load more muscle than I have ever had.....my "general sense of well being" is so much better. Life feels vivid af......before it felt like I was watching a boring movie.....or someone was piloting my body I guess is the way I would describe it.

Taking AI like candy sucked donkey dick, my bones felt like they were made of ice (cold and felt brittle).

Life feels so much better now, i am a huge proponent for anyone getting blood work done at least once a year.....

S/B/D—185/165/205 (sumo w/ straps)

lol everytime

180 per week cyp . Quit AI as made me feel like complete chit. No issues.

good lord thats sad that i could have prescribed you a better AI regimen than a doctor did. You could have taken a small normal dose of letro once a week for a couple weeks then switched to arimidex after that once a week until estrogen leveled out, there was no need to kill estrogen then keep smashing it into the ground.