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Boxing Sparring Question

I don’t know how many miscers have experience boxing. But I recently returned to boxing, I’ve been going 5 days a week for the past month. I boxed when I was younger on and off but I never did any full sparring, as far as that type of thing goes it was mainly body work.

Anyhow today I did my first real sparring, I train at a well respected gym the coach is well respected. I am 5’7 and about 180lbs fairly lean. I was put in the ring with a guy who was 6’1-6’2 and about 240lbs. He’s a HW, not only much bigger than me but also much more experienced.

The sparring went fine for my first time, but it kinda of turned into a “gym war”, I hip tossed him to the ground from a clinch. But he was slugging at me with bad intentions and I didn’t throw a punch at more than 50% at any point. I was able to make it out with just a bloody nose surprisingly.

My question is, is that normal for the coach to have someone like me who would probably cut weight to Super Middleweight (168lbs) do hard sparring with a much more experienced HW?
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post 1650037103 11-01-2021, 08:11 PM
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Super middleweight my ass boy u ain’t Canelo


U need to cut to 154 or 147
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Originally Posted By H00J⏩
Super middleweight my ass boy u ain’t Canelo


U need to cut to 154 or 147
No chance I’d ever make either of those weights unless I dropped a considerable amount of muscle mass.
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Originally Posted By backinthegymbro⏩
Someone experienced shouldn't be trying to knock you out. especially not someone heavier.
When a beginner spars someone more experienced who's going all out, the beginner doesn't learn how to box. he simply tries to survive.
You were fodder.
He might have not been going all out but he was throwing some heavy shots. I was able to land some good shots of my own.

My main question was how normal is to have someone in the ring who walks around at 180lbs vs someone who walks around at 240lbs? Is that a normal procedure? I never saw Canelo sparring HWs. When someone is 6 inches taller than you, 60lbs heavier, has a longer reach, and is more experienced I don’t really see the point of doing that in sparring. Like you said it’s almost like you are trying to survive.
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When I was seriously boxing I was 165 lbs at 5' 8. I'd go in the ring with literally everyone. I had big guys trying to knock me out, they were mostly out of shape beginners. The big guys that are good know not to throw haymakers on someone half their weight out of decency and respect. Anyway, when I ended up with an ******* like that I'd make him chase me around the ring and just practice dodging their punches. They'd usually be gassed a round in. It's always good practice to spar. Just use your head and don't stand toe to toe with a guy like that. Make him chase you until he gives up. If someone give you chit they don't know anything about boxing and they can go rot.
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The pros often spar with guys much larger than themselves. GGG brought cruiserweights into his camp. Canelo sparred heavyweight Frank Sanchez. Pacquiao sparred middleweights to prepare for Spence. That’s not abnormal. It does seem weird to throw a regular gym goer into the ring with someone like that though.
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Originally Posted By amerikansjc⏩
When I was seriously boxing I was 165 lbs at 5' 8. I'd go in the ring with literally everyone. I had big guys trying to knock me out, they were mostly out of shape beginners. The big guys that are good know not to throw haymakers on someone half their weight out of decency and respect. Anyway, when I ended up with an ******* like that I'd make him chase me around the ring and just practice dodging their punches. They'd usually be gassed a round in. It's always good practice to spar. Just use your head and don't stand toe to toe with a guy like that. Make him chase you until he gives up. If someone give you chit they don't know anything about boxing and they can go rot.
Yeah thanks for the advice, it sucks because I’m more of a slugger/brawler myself. But against someone who also like to slug/brawl who also happens to be much bigger and more experienced it’s not a good idea. I don’t want to take too many more HW power punches, can’t be good for the brain.
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Originally Posted By amerikansjc⏩
When I was seriously boxing I was 165 lbs at 5' 8. I'd go in the ring with literally everyone. I had big guys trying to knock me out, they were mostly out of shape beginners. The big guys that are good know not to throw haymakers on someone half their weight out of decency and respect. Anyway, when I ended up with an ******* like that I'd make him chase me around the ring and just practice dodging their punches. They'd usually be gassed a round in. It's always good practice to spar. Just use your head and don't stand toe to toe with a guy like that. Make him chase you until he gives up. If someone give you chit they don't know anything about boxing and they can go rot.
OP is less experienced than the HW 60lbs heavier than he is so I assume he can't toy with the HW and make him miss at will the way you're describing.
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Originally Posted By backinthegymbro⏩
I'm sure it's normal if the heavyweight holds back. Some boxers can be a lot taller with longer reach so it's a thing to practice againist. I'm sure i could spar tyson fury with my manlet ass and be way better off than sparring some middle weight amateur.
Why? Because tyson fury wouldn't wreck me. He'd educate me. Meanwhile some bigger amateur guy might think every spar is his world title fight and beat me up.
Some people are bullies who want to knock out a beginner. Some people get mad or emotional etc.

If you want to be more safe, just spar someone your own size next time. As for canelo, he's something else. But even canelo wouldn't spar deontay wilder if wilder was out for blood.

Interesting, yeah I wasn’t given an option of who I would spar. The coach asked me if I wanted to spar I said yes and he told me to get in the ring with a HW. One thing I have to learn is to keep my hands up. I was dropping my hands too much, took way too many punches. Definitely a lot different compared to MMA.
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Originally Posted By GuineaDago585⏩
The pros often spar with guys much larger than themselves. GGG brought cruiserweights into his camp. Canelo sparred heavyweight Frank Sanchez. Pacquiao sparred middleweights to prepare for Spence. That’s not abnormal. It does seem weird to throw a regular gym goer into the ring with someone like that though.
To put it in perspective I just leaned how to do the speedbag, I can’t really work the double end bag. When doing body work I’ve developed a bit of a reputation as a power puncher, I managed to drop when of the amateur MWs with a body shot. I guess maybe the coach had confidence in me to do alright.
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It can be very normal but it's the sign of a bad gym/bad coach.

Basically you find some scumbag coaches that basically just want an body [you] their preferred students can wail on. "Gym Wars" shouldn't be happening with a guy who never sparred before. It's the coaches job to recognize that and to tell the more experienced guy to hold back or to stop the sparring session altogether.

Also, don't be afraid to speak up. If someone is going too hard on you, you should say, "Hey lighten up". Don't be a dosser and hip toss them.
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Originally Posted By SicilianPower⏩
Yeah thanks for the advice, it sucks because I’m more of a slugger/brawler myself. But against someone who also like to slug/brawl who also happens to be much bigger and more experienced it’s not a good idea. I don’t want to take too many more HW power punches, can’t be good for the brain.
Yeah I'm an aggressive fighter too but just look at like your honing you skill. When you're stepping in with a HW, its dodging practice time... when you're stepping in with a tall guy your weight, it working the inside time.... when you're stepping in with someone same size, it's brawling time etc.... good luck brother and kudos for having the balls to step in with a guy like that in the first place.
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Originally Posted By SicilianPower⏩
Interesting, yeah I wasn’t given an option of who I would spar. The coach asked me if I wanted to spar I said yes and he told me to get in the ring with a HW. One thing I have to learn is to keep my hands up. I was dropping my hands too much, took way too many punches. Definitely a lot different compared to MMA.
I have always been taught to keep hands up in MMA, Muay Thai, Karate and Kali
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Originally Posted By skinnyfat88⏩
OP is less experienced than the HW 60lbs heavier than he is so I assume he can't toy with the HW and make him miss at will the way you're describing.
Yes precisely, so it basically turned into a slugfest. I can’t say I learned too much from it other than keep my hands up more. Don’t think I could have done any better for my first time against such a person aside from that. I don’t think he was very happy that I threw him either, he landed pretty hard when I hit him with a hip toss.
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Originally Posted By amerikansjc⏩
Yeah I'm an aggressive fighter too but just look at like your honing you skill. When you're stepping in with a HW, its dodging practice time... when you're stepping in with a tall guy your weight, it working the inside time.... when you're stepping in with someone same size, it's brawling time etc.... good luck brother and kudos for having the balls to step in with a guy like that in the first place.
Thanks very much, I always say I’m not the best boxer in the gym but I sure as hell aren’t afraid of anybody in there.
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Originally Posted By iloveus⏩
I have always been taught to keep hands up in MMA, Muay Thai, Karate and Kali
Me too, but once I got blasted with a power jab and big right hand my hands started to drop. Never had this problem in fights on the street but getting blasted with hard shots from a good boxer kinda makes your brain not work as good as you are used to. You go into a weird autopilot mode. As I was being hit it was like someone was turning the lights on and off really fast, I almost didn’t have time to get my hands up to where I wanted to them and I don’t have the head movement or footwork to avoid shots yet. So I just kinda plotted forward and brawled. Also my headgear was rattling around.
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Originally Posted By SmithMachineGuy⏩
It can be very normal but it's the sign of a bad gym/bad coach.

Basically you find some scumbag coaches that basically just want an body [you] their preferred students can wail on. "Gym Wars" shouldn't be happening with a guy who never sparred before. It's the coaches job to recognize that and to tell the more experienced guy to hold back or to stop the sparring session altogether.

Also, don't be afraid to speak up. If someone is going too hard on you, you should say, "Hey lighten up". Don't be a dosser and hip toss them.
The hip toss was something that was purely instinctual, from my wrestling and Jiu Jitsu experience. However he was landing more and harder shots on the feet and the last thing I was going to let him do was push me around the ring. So me throwing him like that when he was resisting the throw, was kind of my only moment to kinda say listen you better chill out, this isn’t a real fight.
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