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11-05-2021, 02:24 PM
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Are vaccines a fair trade off in Western countries?
Devils advocate here.
Think of what the rich give a fair share of people in the west.
They give you:
> a job
> a house to live in
> a car
> food
> if you're lucky, some money to buy luxury goods
Since they give you all theses things, why shouldn't they be able to demand you have to get a vaccine to retain the comforts they provide you?
And this is the philosophy most people are taking. They're saying "Hey, the ruling class have given me all this stuff that makes my life less miserable. Why am I going to ruin that deal over an experimental vaccine?".
Think of what the rich give a fair share of people in the west.
They give you:
> a job
> a house to live in
> a car
> food
> if you're lucky, some money to buy luxury goods
Since they give you all theses things, why shouldn't they be able to demand you have to get a vaccine to retain the comforts they provide you?
And this is the philosophy most people are taking. They're saying "Hey, the ruling class have given me all this stuff that makes my life less miserable. Why am I going to ruin that deal over an experimental vaccine?".
"I am a rational animal who occupies the intermediary position between angel and beast"
"The upper class is afforded their position by the collective burden the underclass must carry for them"
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11-05-2021, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Where is this happening?Devils advocate here.
Think of what the rich give a fair share of people in the west.
They give you:
> a job
> a house to live in
> a car
> food
> if you're lucky, some money to buy luxury goods
Think of what the rich give a fair share of people in the west.
They give you:
> a job
> a house to live in
> a car
> food
> if you're lucky, some money to buy luxury goods
11-05-2021, 02:31 PM
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"I am a rational animal who occupies the intermediary position between angel and beast"
"The upper class is afforded their position by the collective burden the underclass must carry for them"
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11-05-2021, 02:34 PM
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11-05-2021, 02:34 PM
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11-05-2021, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
If that was the case then why is the federal government leveraging the wealthy to impose vax mandates?I live in a Western country and don't see rich people giving out any of those things.
You take the vax, or the banks take your stuff away.
Simple.
"I am a rational animal who occupies the intermediary position between angel and beast"
"The upper class is afforded their position by the collective burden the underclass must carry for them"
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11-05-2021, 02:44 PM
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11-05-2021, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
None of this is consistent with my experience.If that was the case then why is the federal government leveraging the wealthy to impose vax mandates?
You take the vax, or the banks take your stuff away.
Simple.
You take the vax, or the banks take your stuff away.
Simple.
11-05-2021, 02:46 PM
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#9
Originally Posted By messomi⏩
No, the banks lend, with an option at the end of the contract.they give you? you have to work for everything and pay bills etc. and on top of that you pay taxes.
You think most people own their cars and homes? lol
"I am a rational animal who occupies the intermediary position between angel and beast"
"The upper class is afforded their position by the collective burden the underclass must carry for them"
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11-05-2021, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
same applies you have to work for everything nobody is giving you anything for free in this world.No, the banks lend, with an option at the end of the contract.
You think most people own their cars and homes? lol
You think most people own their cars and homes? lol
what is happening now is they are taking away your "privilege" to work if you don't take the injection lol.
11-05-2021, 02:58 PM
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11-05-2021, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
More like:Devils advocate here.
Think of what the rich give a fair share of people in the west.
They give you:
> a job
> a house to live in
> a car
> food
> if you're lucky, some money to buy luxury goods
Since they give you all theses things, why shouldn't they be able to demand you have to get a vaccine to retain the comforts they provide you?
And this is the philosophy most people are taking. They're saying "Hey, the ruling class have given me all this stuff that makes my life less miserable. Why am I going to ruin that deal over an experimental vaccine?".
Think of what the rich give a fair share of people in the west.
They give you:
> a job
> a house to live in
> a car
> food
> if you're lucky, some money to buy luxury goods
Since they give you all theses things, why shouldn't they be able to demand you have to get a vaccine to retain the comforts they provide you?
And this is the philosophy most people are taking. They're saying "Hey, the ruling class have given me all this stuff that makes my life less miserable. Why am I going to ruin that deal over an experimental vaccine?".
I provide them with a valuable service that makes them more profitable and secure so they give me money in exchange
They purchase my house for me and then I pay them more than they paid for it, resulting in profit for them.
I purchase vehicles from them which makes them money.
I buy food from them which results in profits on their end.
I buy other goods and services which many corporations profit from.
If I’m already doing all of that for them why should I also be required to inject borderline useless concoctions into my body?
11-05-2021, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted By messomi⏩
Well, here's the thing. If the majority of people were solely reliant on their wages, with out asking the banks for help, they'd be living outside. This goes for all the peons who think six figures is a chit ton of money in the bigger picture. Our officials in government spend that much on curtains for their offices. It's nothing.same applies you have to work for everything nobody is giving you anything for free in this world.
what is happening now is they are taking away your "privilege" to work if you don't take the injection lol.
what is happening now is they are taking away your "privilege" to work if you don't take the injection lol.
Debt is a form of ownership. Your life is out of your destiny at that point when you accept it. You have been given the privilege to live a certain way, because some body with capital was willing to lend you what you need to survive.
So, since the wealthy do this for you, why shouldn't they have the right to require you to get vax'd?
"I am a rational animal who occupies the intermediary position between angel and beast"
"The upper class is afforded their position by the collective burden the underclass must carry for them"
**Summer Walker Crew**
11-05-2021, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Simple, because the value you think you have is a delusion.If I’m already doing all of that for them why should I also be required to inject borderline useless concoctions into my body?
You own nothing. People that own capital will own capital regardless.
You're not in a position to negotiate. You're a laborer.
"I am a rational animal who occupies the intermediary position between angel and beast"
"The upper class is afforded their position by the collective burden the underclass must carry for them"
**Summer Walker Crew**
11-05-2021, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
You're making a lot of assumptions and painting a diverse group of people on a forum with the same brush.Simple, because the value you think you have is a delusion.
You own nothing. People that own capital will own capital regardless.
You're not in a position to negotiate. You're a laborer.
You own nothing. People that own capital will own capital regardless.
You're not in a position to negotiate. You're a laborer.
11-05-2021, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Well, of course. You're a miscer.You're making a lot of assumptions and painting a diverse group of people on a forum with the same brush.
Every miscer nets a million a year.
Especially you lol.
Lay it on me. What are you? A small business owner? lol
"I am a rational animal who occupies the intermediary position between angel and beast"
"The upper class is afforded their position by the collective burden the underclass must carry for them"
**Summer Walker Crew**
11-05-2021, 03:21 PM
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11-05-2021, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted By DimTriad⏩
Triggered.What in the ever loving fk are you talking about? This is possibly the most cucked worldview I’ve ever seen.
Negged srs
Negged srs
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"The upper class is afforded their position by the collective burden the underclass must carry for them"
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11-05-2021, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
this is insanity.Well, here's the thing. If the majority of people were solely reliant on their wages, with out asking the banks for help, they'd be living outside. This goes for all the peons who think six figures is a chit ton of money in the bigger picture. Our officials in government spend that much on curtains for their offices. It's nothing.
Debt is a form of ownership. Your life is out of your destiny at that point when you accept it. You have been given the privilege to live a certain way, because some body with capital was willing to lend you what you need to survive.
So, since the wealthy do this for you, why shouldn't they have the right to require you to get vax'd?
Debt is a form of ownership. Your life is out of your destiny at that point when you accept it. You have been given the privilege to live a certain way, because some body with capital was willing to lend you what you need to survive.
So, since the wealthy do this for you, why shouldn't they have the right to require you to get vax'd?
11-05-2021, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
If none of us are in a position to negotiate then how have so many people left their jobs to find others that don’t require the injection?Simple, because the value you think you have is a delusion.
You own nothing. People that own capital will own capital regardless.
You're not in a position to negotiate. You're a laborer.
You own nothing. People that own capital will own capital regardless.
You're not in a position to negotiate. You're a laborer.
11-05-2021, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Because they have the power to do so and are the type to use it.If that was the case then why is the federal government leveraging the wealthy to impose vax mandates?
You take the vax, or the banks take your stuff away.
Simple.
You take the vax, or the banks take your stuff away.
Simple.
Rich people don't run chit. The powerful hold out their hands and the rich rush to put money in it so that they can receive social status and safety in return.
You think Bezos wants to own the Washington Post? Lol.
11-05-2021, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Why don't you refer to your sig?Triggered.
"The upper class is afforded their position by the collective burden the underclass must carry for them"
And it is not the wealthy who are mandating it, it is the government.
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11-05-2021, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
This is false. In previous generations, when wealth was much smaller, there was more people living in the same household. That's where one of the fallacies comes from that household earnings have gone down.Well, here's the thing. If the majority of people were solely reliant on their wages, with out asking the banks for help, they'd be living outside.
Second, people would rent.
So no, we wouldn't be "living outside"
Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
In a capitalist economy, the agreement is that they create a business, and you provide labor for monetary compensation. Benefits are incentive to work for them. Forcing people to get a vaccine is interrupting the value system. But what interrupted the value system. A third party. As I've said before, what makes this bad is that you cannot have more than two people involved in a transaction. The elites and business owners are now making decisions based on the incentives being given by government. This third party interferes with the value system. This is why fascism is so bad and we should be fighting against this.They're saying "Hey, the ruling class have given me all this stuff that makes my life less miserable. Why am I going to ruin that deal over an experimental vaccine?".
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
"To Call something fair or unfair is a subjective value judgment and not liable to any verification" Ludwig Von Mises
11-05-2021, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
That’s not negotiating. That’s capital telling you to get fuk’d. You’re not special.If none of us are in a position to negotiate then how have so many people left their jobs to find others that don’t require the injection?
The rest is just assumptions.
"I am a rational animal who occupies the intermediary position between angel and beast"
"The upper class is afforded their position by the collective burden the underclass must carry for them"
**Summer Walker Crew**
11-05-2021, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
You don’t understand government and lobbying. There is no third party.This is false. In previous generations, when wealth was much smaller, there was more people living in the same household. That's where one of the fallacies comes from that household earnings have gone down.
Second, people would rent.
So no, we wouldn't be "living outside"
In a capitalist economy, the agreement is that they create a business, and you provide labor for monetary compensation. Benefits are incentive to work for them. Forcing people to get a vaccine is interrupting the value system. But what interrupted the value system. A third party. As I've said before, what makes this bad is that you cannot have more than two people involved in a transaction. The elites and business owners are now making decisions based on the incentives being given by government. This third party interferes with the value system. This is why fascism is so bad and we should be fighting against this.
Second, people would rent.
So no, we wouldn't be "living outside"
In a capitalist economy, the agreement is that they create a business, and you provide labor for monetary compensation. Benefits are incentive to work for them. Forcing people to get a vaccine is interrupting the value system. But what interrupted the value system. A third party. As I've said before, what makes this bad is that you cannot have more than two people involved in a transaction. The elites and business owners are now making decisions based on the incentives being given by government. This third party interferes with the value system. This is why fascism is so bad and we should be fighting against this.
Corporations are the government. And I’m not talking peon small business owners. I’m talking about corporations telling small businesses they have to lock down, while they absorb their clientele.
Your first paragraph doesn’t even make sense, and I’ve debunked your talking points a million times.
Over the last three decades 55 trillion has been transferred from the middle class to the extremely wealthy.
https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion...ality-america/
"I am a rational animal who occupies the intermediary position between angel and beast"
"The upper class is afforded their position by the collective burden the underclass must carry for them"
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11-05-2021, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
In your explaining why we no longer live in a capitalist society, which is why I said fascism is bad.You don’t understand government and lobbying. There is no third party.
Corporations are the government. And I’m not talking peon small business owners. I’m talking about corporations telling small businesses they have to lock down, while they absorb their clientele.
Your first paragraph doesn’t even make sense, and I’ve debunked your talking points a million times.
Over the last three decades 55 trillion has been transferred from the middle class to the extremely wealthy.
https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion...ality-america/
Corporations are the government. And I’m not talking peon small business owners. I’m talking about corporations telling small businesses they have to lock down, while they absorb their clientele.
Your first paragraph doesn’t even make sense, and I’ve debunked your talking points a million times.
Over the last three decades 55 trillion has been transferred from the middle class to the extremely wealthy.
https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion...ality-america/
Government should not be involved in fiduciary transactions.
Of course my first comment didn’t make sense, because it’s knowledge you don’t have.
You haven’t debunked anything. You just think your ideas are “debunking“. You need to stop thinking like a Marxist
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
"To Call something fair or unfair is a subjective value judgment and not liable to any verification" Ludwig Von Mises
11-05-2021, 05:05 PM
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