12-11-2021, 12:43 PM
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Just lol if you are still in stocks
I’m totally out, sold everything. People are gonna get raked over the coals.
CEOs and corporate insiders are dumping stock at a far faster rate than we've seen in recent years, and the twist is, they're ramping up selling as their own companies engage in record stock buybacks.
In November, insiders unloaded a collective $15.59 billion - an all-time record...
Forty-eight top executives have disposed of more than $200 million each in stock sales this year, about four times the average versus insider from 2016 through 2020, according to a new report via WSJ, citing data from the research firm InsiderScore.
The tsunami of insider selling consists of Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin, cosmetics billionaire Ronald Lauder, Walton family heirs to Walmart, and Mark Zuckerberg, chief executive of ******** parent Meta Platforms Inc, among others. Many of them have dramatically accelerated stock sales.
InsiderScore data shows corporate insiders sold a mindboggling $63.5 billion in shares through November, a 50% jump versus all of 2020. The selling comes as major equity stock indexes are hovering near record highs and stock buybacks continue at breakneck speeds. Most of the insider dumping was in the technology sector, amounting to $41 billion in sales.
CEOs and corporate insiders are dumping stock at a far faster rate than we've seen in recent years, and the twist is, they're ramping up selling as their own companies engage in record stock buybacks.
In November, insiders unloaded a collective $15.59 billion - an all-time record...
Forty-eight top executives have disposed of more than $200 million each in stock sales this year, about four times the average versus insider from 2016 through 2020, according to a new report via WSJ, citing data from the research firm InsiderScore.
The tsunami of insider selling consists of Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin, cosmetics billionaire Ronald Lauder, Walton family heirs to Walmart, and Mark Zuckerberg, chief executive of ******** parent Meta Platforms Inc, among others. Many of them have dramatically accelerated stock sales.
InsiderScore data shows corporate insiders sold a mindboggling $63.5 billion in shares through November, a 50% jump versus all of 2020. The selling comes as major equity stock indexes are hovering near record highs and stock buybacks continue at breakneck speeds. Most of the insider dumping was in the technology sector, amounting to $41 billion in sales.
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12-11-2021, 12:56 PM
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This upcoming taper is baaaaad news for stock brahs.
41% of the stock market growth since 2011 has been due to corporate buybacks. Without those, SPY would be around $270 right now instead of $470, dedfukkinsrs.
The trick is that the C-suite has most of their compensation tied up in stock price performance incentives. What the board can do is approve borrowing billions of near-0% loans, use that money to buy back their own shares, hit those share price targets, and pay out massive bonuses to themselves. It's literally an infinite money glitch for rich and connected psychopaths. And those companies have a huge amount of debt on their ledger, but the payments on it aren't chit, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Where that's gonna break is when interest rates rise above zero, buybacks don't work anymore. Companies can't borrow huge sums for repurchases without killing their cash flow. That's going to break the growth mechanism that the stock market's been relying on for the last decade of bulling.
Then couple that stock money is going to yuugely outflow back into bonds once bonds start paying better than -5%, and stocks could go down and remain down for a long time.
It all comes down to whether or not the Federal Reserve is willing to raise interest rates or not. This is a nationalized market.
41% of the stock market growth since 2011 has been due to corporate buybacks. Without those, SPY would be around $270 right now instead of $470, dedfukkinsrs.
The trick is that the C-suite has most of their compensation tied up in stock price performance incentives. What the board can do is approve borrowing billions of near-0% loans, use that money to buy back their own shares, hit those share price targets, and pay out massive bonuses to themselves. It's literally an infinite money glitch for rich and connected psychopaths. And those companies have a huge amount of debt on their ledger, but the payments on it aren't chit, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Where that's gonna break is when interest rates rise above zero, buybacks don't work anymore. Companies can't borrow huge sums for repurchases without killing their cash flow. That's going to break the growth mechanism that the stock market's been relying on for the last decade of bulling.
Then couple that stock money is going to yuugely outflow back into bonds once bonds start paying better than -5%, and stocks could go down and remain down for a long time.
It all comes down to whether or not the Federal Reserve is willing to raise interest rates or not. This is a nationalized market.
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12-11-2021, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted By DandyDink⏩
I bought a cottage by a lake with half an acre. I personally believe people will go to things with value. I might buy a piece of Mene jewelry as well. 24k pure gold and it’s not a coin. Will have resale value.got rekt last two weeks.
what will you do with your cash with the threat of inflation?
what will you do with your cash with the threat of inflation?
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12-11-2021, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
I read about a year ago that 80% of the stock market is owned by 10% of the people (and those people are selling).This upcoming taper is baaaaad news for stock brahs.
41% of the stock market growth since 2011 has been due to corporate buybacks. Without those, SPY would be around $270 right now instead of $470, dedfukkinsrs.
The trick is that the C-suite has most of their compensation tied up in stock price performance incentives. What the board can do is approve borrowing billions of near-0% loans, use that money to buy back their own shares, hit those share price targets, and pay out massive bonuses to themselves. It's literally an infinite money glitch for rich and connected psychopaths. And those companies have a huge amount of debt on their ledger, but the payments on it aren't chit, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Where that's gonna break is when interest rates rise above zero, they can't borrow huge sums of debt for buybacks without killing their cash flow. That's going to break the growth mechanism that the stock market's been relying on for the last decade of bulling.
Then couple that stock money is going to yuugely outflow back into bonds once bonds start paying better than -5%, and stocks could go down and remain down for a long time.
It all comes down to whether or not the Federal Reserve is willing to raise interest rates or not. This is a nationalized market.
41% of the stock market growth since 2011 has been due to corporate buybacks. Without those, SPY would be around $270 right now instead of $470, dedfukkinsrs.
The trick is that the C-suite has most of their compensation tied up in stock price performance incentives. What the board can do is approve borrowing billions of near-0% loans, use that money to buy back their own shares, hit those share price targets, and pay out massive bonuses to themselves. It's literally an infinite money glitch for rich and connected psychopaths. And those companies have a huge amount of debt on their ledger, but the payments on it aren't chit, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Where that's gonna break is when interest rates rise above zero, they can't borrow huge sums of debt for buybacks without killing their cash flow. That's going to break the growth mechanism that the stock market's been relying on for the last decade of bulling.
Then couple that stock money is going to yuugely outflow back into bonds once bonds start paying better than -5%, and stocks could go down and remain down for a long time.
It all comes down to whether or not the Federal Reserve is willing to raise interest rates or not. This is a nationalized market.
Get out soon and just buy back later. Never marry a stock, just rent them.
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12-11-2021, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted By DivineMasculine⏩
I'm buying more and staying in while the Federal Reserve is in and getting out when the Federal Reserve is out. Right now, the Fed is saying they're out, but they've already bitched out of two tapers before. I'm keeping more cash on hand in case chit gets fun, but holding on to all the stuff I already own because I think long term we are in an inflation death spiral.I read about a year ago that 80% of the stock market is owned by 10% of the people (and those people are selling).
Get out soon and just buy back later. Never marry a stock, just rent them.
Get out soon and just buy back later. Never marry a stock, just rent them.
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12-11-2021, 01:09 PM
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i sold a lot a few weeks ago. hehe
only money i have in is a trust i think or things i cant touch
only money i have in is a trust i think or things i cant touch
12-11-2021, 01:10 PM
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time in the market > timing the market
12-11-2021, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
He is an idiot with massive amount of debt. He just got divorced, I bet he loses it all sooner than later.time in the market > timing the market
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12-11-2021, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
buy Mastercard and Visa stock to profit off inflation. they collect a % of the transactions, so yes higher prices across the board means higher earnings for them.What is the logic behind taking your money out of the market?
If we hit severe inflation and/or hyperinflation, the intrinsic value of these companies on the books will rise to accommodate. Take amazon for example, they own numerous distribution networks, physical goods, and buildings, the value of all of these things will rise along with inflation. This will reflect in the share price won't it?
If we hit severe inflation and/or hyperinflation, the intrinsic value of these companies on the books will rise to accommodate. Take amazon for example, they own numerous distribution networks, physical goods, and buildings, the value of all of these things will rise along with inflation. This will reflect in the share price won't it?
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Originally Posted By DandyDink⏩
smart people invested in real estate, becasue as inflation goes up so does your wealth. Tangibles become valuable as intangibles will lose all their value and purpose.got rekt last two weeks.
what will you do with your cash with the threat of inflation?
what will you do with your cash with the threat of inflation?
bitcoin is supposed to be inflation proof but as inflation has been rising bitcoin has been dropping
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12-11-2021, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
How does that help you? You don’t have access to that money. Look at Elon Musk, he is selling his shares in his own company and most likely paying off debt with the funds.What is the logic behind taking your money out of the market?
If we hit severe inflation and/or hyperinflation, the intrinsic value of these companies on the books will rise to accommodate. Take amazon for example, they own numerous distribution networks, physical goods, and buildings, the value of all of these things will rise along with inflation. This will reflect in the share price won't it?
If we hit severe inflation and/or hyperinflation, the intrinsic value of these companies on the books will rise to accommodate. Take amazon for example, they own numerous distribution networks, physical goods, and buildings, the value of all of these things will rise along with inflation. This will reflect in the share price won't it?
I honestly doubt we will have hyperinflation but it will get worse. I use this worthless money to try to buy things that have value because I believe we will have a hard time in the next decade. I would rather have a lake I can swim in or jet ski in then a share of Amazon.
If I was a financial advisor (which I’m not) I would tell people to pay off debts (especially if they don’t have an asset connected to them, house, car etc) and then buy things that have value.
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12-11-2021, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
You are correct.smart people invested in real estate, becasue as inflation goes up so does your wealth. Tangibles become valuable as intangibles will lose all their value and purpose.
bitcoin is supposed to be inflation proof but as inflation has been rising bitcoin has been dropping
bitcoin is supposed to be inflation proof but as inflation has been rising bitcoin has been dropping
We are in a tulip craze time. Everything across the board from housing, gas, school, food, collectibles etc are sky high. When it all falls down people will go back to real estate and commodities to start over.
You can never go wrong with real estate as long as it has value.
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12-11-2021, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
Lol what? Btc is up about 66% from year to date and over 1000% in almost 2 yr spansmart people invested in real estate, becasue as inflation goes up so does your wealth. Tangibles become valuable as intangibles will lose all their value and purpose.
bitcoin is supposed to be inflation proof but as inflation has been rising bitcoin has been dropping
bitcoin is supposed to be inflation proof but as inflation has been rising bitcoin has been dropping
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Originally Posted By DivineMasculine⏩
well you can go wrong if you get a stupid interest rate when they are high and dont have a finance friend who tells you what to do with your house money to pay a variable loan to get the principle paid off three times as fast. Even then though right now you are making stupid equity amount if you are in a good area. Right now my equity for 1.5 years is 140k. Its sad how much people don't know how to make their money work for them and how to go against the mainstream simple plans and learn the system more to get your money to work for you even more. Then you get idiots reading Dave Ramsey thinking its a miracle and they end up going no where.You are correct.
We are in a tulip craze time. Everything across the board from housing, gas, school, food, collectibles etc are sky high. When it all falls down people will go back to real estate and commodities to start over.
You can never go wrong with real estate as long as it has value.
We are in a tulip craze time. Everything across the board from housing, gas, school, food, collectibles etc are sky high. When it all falls down people will go back to real estate and commodities to start over.
You can never go wrong with real estate as long as it has value.
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As with all things. There will be winners and losers.
Also selloffs aren't really what they seem. Elon Musk has been in the news lately for selling off 12 billion dollars worth of Tesla. Idiots are trying to come up with reasons 'why'.
The simple truth of the matter is Elon just acquired more shares then he sold. From what I've seen all the talk has been Elon selling Tesla and the fact that he acquired more shares then he sold is fairly quiet.https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...-sells-2021-12
I'm holding firm on Tesla. If they drop into the 800s I'll likely start buying more Tesla. I'm also buying Palantir. If it continues to dip lower I'll keep buying. I have a really high confidence level with these to withstand the storm.
By the time they decide to sell. Then decide to buy back. Then pay their taxes. They most likely won't have done as well as they think. I think most retail investors would be better off buying & holding quality companies.
Also selloffs aren't really what they seem. Elon Musk has been in the news lately for selling off 12 billion dollars worth of Tesla. Idiots are trying to come up with reasons 'why'.
The simple truth of the matter is Elon just acquired more shares then he sold. From what I've seen all the talk has been Elon selling Tesla and the fact that he acquired more shares then he sold is fairly quiet.https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...-sells-2021-12
I'm holding firm on Tesla. If they drop into the 800s I'll likely start buying more Tesla. I'm also buying Palantir. If it continues to dip lower I'll keep buying. I have a really high confidence level with these to withstand the storm.
Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
People think they are going to time the market. IE sell when its high then buy back more when it dips. The majority of people will most likely fail. The market has already dipped a good deal from its highs. Assuming people are selling off their holdings in a non tax-sheltered account. They'll have to pay a hefty tax bill on their gains. If the market dips a good deal. They'll most likely buy in. But not at the very bottom.What is the logic behind taking your money out of the market?
If we hit severe inflation and/or hyperinflation, the intrinsic value of these companies on the books will rise to accommodate. Take amazon for example, they own numerous distribution networks, physical goods, and buildings, the value of all of these things will rise along with inflation. This will reflect in the share price won't it?
If we hit severe inflation and/or hyperinflation, the intrinsic value of these companies on the books will rise to accommodate. Take amazon for example, they own numerous distribution networks, physical goods, and buildings, the value of all of these things will rise along with inflation. This will reflect in the share price won't it?
By the time they decide to sell. Then decide to buy back. Then pay their taxes. They most likely won't have done as well as they think. I think most retail investors would be better off buying & holding quality companies.
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does Roth IRA count?
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12-11-2021, 01:46 PM
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We will have a small retracement with some volatility then the federal reserve will pussy back into easy money policies. Politicians are too cowardly to hurt the bubble economy for long term stability.
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12-11-2021, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
If it’s $20 a cup, they go out of business. Also if you are holding credit card debt or something like that. Pay it off sooner than later with your devalued dollar. I personally wouldn’t want to go into a crisis with useless debt.It doesn't help in the short term but my intent wasn't to use that money for anything. Just want to buy and hold. What happens if we do hit hyperinflation? You can't sell your jet skis to buy something, you're just going to have your possessions and that's it. Yes their intrinsic value may have risen due to hyperinflation, but who's going to buy them if you need to sell, at those inflated prices?
Paying off debt in this scenario isn't a good idea unless the debt is tied to a variable interest rate; if cash is becoming worthless your debt is also becoming worthless. I have debt but I'm choosing not to pay it off since it's becoming less and less valuable relative to everything else.
I could be wrong on what happens to the market, but to me, if we are running into an inflation scenario the price of everything goes up, including whatever assets are on the books of companies in the market. There may be a short term sell off due to tapering but in the long term the market will come back. Think about a coffee company for example; their share price may tank in the short term, but in the long term when coffee rises to $20/cup and their physical stores are valued higher due to rising real estate prices, that's going to reflect in their earnings statements and their share price will have to increase to accommodate. Right?
Paying off debt in this scenario isn't a good idea unless the debt is tied to a variable interest rate; if cash is becoming worthless your debt is also becoming worthless. I have debt but I'm choosing not to pay it off since it's becoming less and less valuable relative to everything else.
I could be wrong on what happens to the market, but to me, if we are running into an inflation scenario the price of everything goes up, including whatever assets are on the books of companies in the market. There may be a short term sell off due to tapering but in the long term the market will come back. Think about a coffee company for example; their share price may tank in the short term, but in the long term when coffee rises to $20/cup and their physical stores are valued higher due to rising real estate prices, that's going to reflect in their earnings statements and their share price will have to increase to accommodate. Right?
You shouldn’t look at something based on a price but the value of it. Just because a Supreme brick is $100 is it’s value a $100?
Also with the history of inflation everything doesn’t go up, somethings will go down in price. It’s not an even across the board scenario. During the depression glass makers (think vases, plates etc) were not selling as they were expensive so for the glass makers to stay in business they made cheaper glass and they made contracts with companies to stay in business. For example, if you bought a carton of oats, you would get a glass cup for free. This was also a way of keeping people interested during those tough times. People would want to collect all the colors etc.
I understand this doesn’t match today’s society but it shows that companies will adapt and so won’t people. If inflation does ramp up, people will buy less, companies will want to stay open and they will start selling their products for cheaper (less profit) etc. Deflation always happens after inflation. Sell high (inflation), buy low (deflation). This is how the wealthy stay wealthy. They buy when everyone else is selling.
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12-11-2021, 01:50 PM
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lol nothing's going to happen any time soon. the bubble will keep getting bigger while your money sits on the sidelines losing value. $baba $pltr $wish
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
Yup, I had 30k equity before I moved in. 30 year fixed rate at 2.87%well you can go wrong if you get a stupid interest rate when they are high and dont have a finance friend who tells you what to do with your house money to pay a variable loan to get the principle paid off three times as fast. Even then though right now you are making stupid equity amount if you are in a good area. Right now my equity for 1.5 years is 140k. Its sad how much people don't know how to make their money work for them and how to go against the mainstream simple plans and learn the system more to get your money to work for you even more. Then you get idiots reading Dave Ramsey thinking its a miracle and they end up going no where.
This is the perfect time to buy property that’s valuable (by water, mountains, acreage etc). The fixed rates are the lowest they will be. I got neighbors paying almost 8%. Crazy
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Originally Posted By DivineMasculine⏩
Companies are already selling for less profit lmao. That’s the entire reason supply is so low right now..
If inflation is high, people will buy more because their buying power is rapidly decreasing, not less because their savings are becoming worthless.
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Side note: lots of people sold stocks to realize gains at the lower capital gains rate cause ****git Democrats promised to raise them. They since backed off.
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Originally Posted By malashker⏩
inflation didnt start a year ago dumbass, things that lead to inflation did, but in july through october things were pretty cheap still, then in october things started skyrocketing and bitcoin hit its peak and has been falling since.Lol what? Btc is up about 66% from year to date and over 1000% in almost 2 yr span
bitcoin has been on a steady drop and dropped almost 15k in the past month and its been a pretty steady decline at a pretty equal rate to inflation starting to skyrocket
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
Huh? Companies are making less profit because people are not buying for the most part (I wonder what the Christmas number will be). Supply is low because they don’t have enough truck drivers to get the product delivered, this is why the ports of California are flooded with ships.Companies are already selling for less profit lmao. That’s the entire reason supply is so low right now.
If inflation is high, people will buy more because their buying power is rapidly decreasing, not less because their savings are becoming worthless.
If inflation is high, people will buy more because their buying power is rapidly decreasing, not less because their savings are becoming worthless.
People will buy during inflation but you should be buying things that will help you in the future. Could be stock pile of food etc or maybe upgrade your house if you are staying there. These things have value. I’m not taking about the new $60 video game or $200 limited drop of Nikes.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Majority of people are idiots. Have you ever read about the Tulip Craze?Wat. People are paying over MSRP for cars, they are paying crazy amounts of money for fast food, etc. A coffee company won't go out of business if a cup of coffee rises to $20, people will just pay it.
The value of something is the price that people are willing to pay for it, there is no defined value for a good or service beyond that. If a supreme brick is $100 that is the price the market has determined that willing buyers will pay, so yes, it's value is $100.
I can understand that not every company will go up during inflation.
The value of something is the price that people are willing to pay for it, there is no defined value for a good or service beyond that. If a supreme brick is $100 that is the price the market has determined that willing buyers will pay, so yes, it's value is $100.
I can understand that not every company will go up during inflation.
The misc is full of a bunch of simp ****ots
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
smart people invested in real estate, becasue as inflation goes up so does your wealth. Tangibles become valuable as intangibles will lose all their value and purpose.
bitcoin is supposed to be inflation proof but as inflation has been rising bitcoin has been dropping
bitcoin is supposed to be inflation proof but as inflation has been rising bitcoin has been dropping
Originally Posted By malashker⏩
I think Bitcoin is still misunderstood by people that are thinking of it as 'digital gold' or a 'hedge against inflation'. Bitcoins value is not in a worst case scenario with hyper inflation and the world going to sh!t. I think its worth buying & holding in small amounts (10% of portfolio). But I think it would be worthless in a worse case scenario.Lol what? Btc is up about 66% from year to date and over 1000% in almost 2 yr span
Good news is I really don't think things are going to get that bad for most of us.
12-11-2021, 02:15 PM
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People have been saying this for a decade. You can't time the market. Warren Buffett not only says he can't do it, but he doesn't know anyone who knows anyone who can do it.
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12-11-2021, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted By DivineMasculine⏩
stop right thereHuh? Companies are making less profit because people are not buying for the most part (I wonder what the Christmas number will be). Supply is low because they don’t have enough truck drivers to get the product delivered, this is why the ports of California are flooded with ships.
People will buy during inflation but you should be buying things that will help you in the future. Could be stock pile of food etc or maybe upgrade your house if you are staying there. These things have value. I’m not taking about the new $60 video game or $200 limited drop of Nikes.
People will buy during inflation but you should be buying things that will help you in the future. Could be stock pile of food etc or maybe upgrade your house if you are staying there. These things have value. I’m not taking about the new $60 video game or $200 limited drop of Nikes.
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