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post 1654159353 01-11-2022, 05:14 PM
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Serious Lord of the rings question needs answers.

In the intro Galadriel tells the story of the ring. Part of this story is “ History became legend, legend became myth, and for two and a half thousand years, the Ring passed out of all knowledge.”

Passed out of all knowledge. And yet somehow everybody knows about the ring. Gandalf, Aragorn, Elrond, Galadriel. In Rivendale Aragorn even visits a little shrine deal with Isildurs sword. Seems plenty of people know about the ring. Doesn’t seem to have passed out of all knowledge at all.

So Galadriels intro is malarkey.

Pls explain this situation. It’s been weighing on my mind.
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post 1654159693 01-11-2022, 05:21 PM
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Been awhile since I’ve watched the movies or read the books but I believe the elves kept to themselves so in that sense their knowledge was lost to the rest of the world. Gandalf wasn’t sure until he found a scroll with the history in Minas Tirith and Aragorn was more or less in exile so not exactly passing knowledge around.

I could be way off though
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post 1654159803 01-11-2022, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted By MrQuint⏩
Been awhile since I’ve watched the movies or read the books but I believe the elves kept to themselves so in that sense their knowledge was lost to the rest of the world. Gandalf wasn’t sure until he found a scroll with the history in Minas Tirith and Aragorn was more or less in exile so not exactly passing knowledge around.

I could be way off though
Greedy elf fuks hoarding knowledge could explain. Elrond hated those human simpletons.
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post 1654159853 01-11-2022, 05:24 PM
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Passed out of all knowledge basically means no one knew where the fuk it was because it was at the bottom of the Anduin river. Not that no one knew about it.
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assume its speaking of just the common folk

not some 500 year old elf or wizard
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Pretty sure she meant that ALMOST all knowledge of the ring was gone. Obviously there are some 5,000yr old elves and ass hole Sauron who remember all about it. Even Gandalf had to do some research in the archives to confirm. But for the most part, all knowledge of the ring was gone.
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She was referring to the location of the ring being unknown until Smeagol found it
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post 1654160433 01-11-2022, 05:32 PM
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Now for the age old question: Is “pipe-weed" closer to tobacco or marijuana?
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I always thought it meant the location passed out of knowledge and nobody was fighting over it anymore.
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Originally Posted By Visel⏩
Now for the age old question: Is “pipe-weed" closer to tobacco or marijuana?
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Originally Posted By Visel⏩
Now for the age old question: Is “pipe-weed" closer to tobacco or marijuana?


They were definitely smoking a huge fattie.

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Originally Posted By dustiestuniform⏩
LOTR really brings out the best of you all. Haven’t even got called ghey or anything.
That would be redundant.
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Originally Posted By dustiestuniform⏩
LOTR really brings out the best of you all. Haven’t even got called ghey or anything.
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Originally Posted By railgunner22⏩
Passed out of all knowledge basically means no one knew where the fuk it was because it was at the bottom of the Anduin river. Not that no one knew about it.
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Originally Posted By dustiestuniform⏩
I always though they were getting ripped
I think the books make it clear it's tobacco-esque, but the deleted scene below implies otherwise as far as the films are concerned.

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If you remember the movie, Elrond says something like "I was there the day that the strength of man failed". He went to mount doom with Isuldur and was shouting at him to throw the ring in.

As Elrond personally witnessed this, he has direct knowledge. He also has one of the elven rings.

Sauron made the ring that the story is about, but he also made 9 for men (they became the nazgul), 7 for dwarves and 3 for elves. Galadriel and Elrond each had one of the three elven rings and are both thousands of years old.

Gandalf is an immortal demigod (maiar) on the same level as sauron, who had most of his powers taken away so that he could serve as an advisor and not become a rogue threat.

Aragorn is a direct descendant of Isuldur, so he was told the stories growing up.

Isuldur was killed 2500 years before and the ring was lost in the river where he was killed. That is the last that anybody knew about it.
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Everybody? You listed 5 old ass characters

I’m pretty sure very few people in middle earth knew about the ring
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
If you remember the movie, Elrond says something like "I was there the day that the strength of man failed". He went to mount doom with Isuldur and was shouting at him to throw the ring in.

As Elrond personally witnessed this, he has direct knowledge. He also has one of the elven rings.

Sauron made the ring that the story is about, but he also made 9 for men (they became the nazgul), 7 for dwarves and 3 for elves. Galadriel and Elrond each had one of the three elven rings and are both thousands of years old.

Gandalf is an immortal demigod (maiar) on the same level as sauron, who had most of his powers taken away so that he could serve as an advisor and not become a rogue threat.

Aragorn is a direct descendant of Isuldur, so he was told the stories growing up.

Isuldur was killed 2500 years before and the ring was lost in the river where he was killed. That is the last that anybody knew about it.
Whatever happened to the dwarf rings?
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Originally Posted By dustiestuniform⏩
In the intro Galadriel tells the story of the ring. Part of this story is “ History became legend, legend became myth, and for two and a half thousand years, the Ring passed out of all knowledge.”

Passed out of all knowledge. And yet somehow everybody knows about the ring. Gandalf, Aragorn, Elrond, Galadriel. In Rivendale Aragorn even visits a little shrine deal with Isildurs sword. Seems plenty of people know about the ring. Doesn’t seem to have passed out of all knowledge at all.

So Galadriels intro is malarkey.

Pls explain this situation. It’s been weighing on my mind.
Wizards and elves live thousands of years. Gandalf learned of it by talking to Saruman. Galadriel was a ring bearer. Elrond was there when Isildur refused to destroy the ring initially. Aragorn knew because Gandalf told him.
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
Whatever happened to the dwarf rings?
From what I remember (been a long time since I was into it), the rings made them greedy and paranoid, which lead to them retreating from the world and hoarding wealth.

I'm guessing that they are at the bottom of moria or somewhere else where they dug too deep.
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Originally Posted By dustiestuniform⏩
In the intro Galadriel tells the story of the ring. Part of this story is “ History became legend, legend became myth, and for two and a half thousand years, the Ring passed out of all knowledge.”

Passed out of all knowledge. And yet somehow everybody knows about the ring. Gandalf, Aragorn, Elrond, Galadriel. In Rivendale Aragorn even visits a little shrine deal with Isildurs sword. Seems plenty of people know about the ring. Doesn’t seem to have passed out of all knowledge at all.

So Galadriels intro is malarkey.

Pls explain this situation. It’s been weighing on my mind.
maybe for the smallfolk it was forgotten as urban legend, but the ancient elves knew about it
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
If you remember the movie, Elrond says something like "I was there the day that the strength of man failed". He went to mount doom with Isuldur and was shouting at him to throw the ring in.

As Elrond personally witnessed this, he has direct knowledge. He also has one of the elven rings.

Sauron made the ring that the story is about, but he also made 9 for men (they became the nazgul), 7 for dwarves and 3 for elves. Galadriel and Elrond each had one of the three elven rings and are both thousands of years old.

Gandalf is an immortal demigod (maiar) on the same level as sauron, who had most of his powers taken away so that he could serve as an advisor and not become a rogue threat.

Aragorn is a direct descendant of Isuldur, so he was told the stories growing up.

Isuldur was killed 2500 years before and the ring was lost in the river where he was killed. That is the last that anybody knew about it.
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The thought the ring was lost forever. Sauron was defeated and had faded into almost nothing. Gandalf/Olorin/Mithrandir was eventually sent to Middle Earth to contend against the will of Sauron. You know why? Because he feared Sauron. The Valar knew Sauron wasn't gone. He had to be watched for if he came back. But he had been gone so long Gandalf had hoped he was gone for good

We don't know what happened to the Dwarven rings. But Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond had the Elven rings. Gandalf had the ring of fire.
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Originally Posted By Visel⏩
Now for the age old question: Is “pipe-weed" closer to tobacco or marijuana?
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Originally Posted By railgunner22⏩
Passed out of all knowledge basically means no one knew where the fuk it was because it was at the bottom of the Anduin river. Not that no one knew about it.
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just because it became myth doesn't mean you don't know about it. they wouldn't expect to see it in their lifetime. but they know the history of legend.

it's like you forget about your favorite candy and then happen once upon it again. it is still in the brain cells so it triggers the memory.

what exactly is the problem?
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Passed out of knowledge among the normal folks
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Boromir and his dad knew about it too and they were pretty much common folk. Boromir was sent to steal it.
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Originally Posted By Ripper908⏩
She was referring to the location of the ring being unknown until Smeagol found it
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