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01-29-2022, 08:16 AM
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Just LOL at the health care system
Not only do they overcharge and then spend time doing TikTok videos or taking pictures of them kneeling to show how woke they are.
Then comes this.
Seven workers (at will employees) from a Wisconsin hospital left their job to go to another hospital. The original hospital (ThedaCare) tried to sue the employees for leaving and tried to ban them from getting a new job because it put a strain on them because of covid.
Can you imagine the absolute mess that is ThedaCare.
I bet the management are woke spineless boomer liberals that have no clue how to run a company.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/workers-w...171215991.html
Then comes this.
Seven workers (at will employees) from a Wisconsin hospital left their job to go to another hospital. The original hospital (ThedaCare) tried to sue the employees for leaving and tried to ban them from getting a new job because it put a strain on them because of covid.
Can you imagine the absolute mess that is ThedaCare.
I bet the management are woke spineless boomer liberals that have no clue how to run a company.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/workers-w...171215991.html
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01-29-2022, 08:22 AM
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fukin cheeseheads, when will they learn
01-29-2022, 08:34 AM
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01-29-2022, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted By nothingshocking⏩
Can you imagine coping this hard.fukin cheeseheads, when will they learn

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01-29-2022, 08:37 AM
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Our healthcare system in US is just about as awful as it can be.
It's just a device to make money at this point.
It's just a device to make money at this point.
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01-29-2022, 08:39 AM
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It's gotten to where Bankruptcy is your healthcare plan after an expensive hospitalization or surgery or something.
01-29-2022, 08:42 AM
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Why the fuk was there a restraining order to begin with?
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01-29-2022, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted By keyboardworkout⏩
Judge was probably woke and then got major backlash so changed the decision.Why the fuk was there a restraining order to begin with?
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01-29-2022, 09:09 AM
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Enter Obamacare expansions on a global le7els
Real wrap and? Does it matter? They’ll be non profit anyways lol
Jk people lie time stamps don’t
Marketing psychology law medicine?
Take your pick and come at me bro
Competency on fleek just provide the methamphetamine and the rest is history
Real wrap and? Does it matter? They’ll be non profit anyways lol
Jk people lie time stamps don’t
Marketing psychology law medicine?
Take your pick and come at me bro
Competency on fleek just provide the methamphetamine and the rest is history
01-29-2022, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted By ElMarkino⏩
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. Doing one doesn't take anything from the other.Why address issues like that when we should focus on more serious issues like picking a black scotus
not that I give a fuk about a black scotus, but its still a stupid take.
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01-29-2022, 09:20 AM
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I don't have anything good to say about it. IMO it is not a sector of society that should be milked as a corporate profit center.
Not saying thatprovidersshould not be well compensated or that well managed provider organizations shouldn't net a profit, just that most of the "profit" seems to be derived from denying medical care, giving insufficient medical care, or using the most profitable product/service vs. the most effective product/service for the cost.
It seems plain to me that a company that profits by denying medical treatment/medications should not be a company that has the power to deny medical treatment/medications.
If we insist on continuing with for-profit health insurance in the US I think it should be simpleinsurance against a financial loss. You pay your insurer to cover medical costs that exceed a set amount out of pocket; essentially catastrophic coverage. You pay your medical bills directly [perhaps using a pre-tax medical saving account] and then submit your receipts to the insurer who is expected to make you whole for any costs that exceed the contracted out of pocket [10% of income?]. The monthly fee for such coverage should be maybe 20% of what we pay in premiums now as they would need much less staff.
If anyone is unaware of how very awful most nursing facilities are then take heed- you don't want to go there. The staff is mostly poorly paid for a stressful chitty job and they are also chronically understaffed so people that may need real help and quickly just have to suffer. In pain? If no one is available to come then too bad. Need help to the toilet? Hope you are resigned to going in a diaper.
My sense is that when it comes to nursing facilities there isn't an honest profit to be made because the expense for good quality care is so high relative to the financial resources of the people staying there. So nursing facilities have a built in incentive to under staff and neglect residents.
From 2018:
I think it is near criminal that there is NO Minimum Staff-to-Resident Ratio for nursing facilities. This is a current campaign for nursing ratios:

I think most long term nursing facilities have at least 20 or 30 patients at a time. The current law only requires them to have 1 nurse on duty and has no requirements at all for other assistants.

Not saying thatprovidersshould not be well compensated or that well managed provider organizations shouldn't net a profit, just that most of the "profit" seems to be derived from denying medical care, giving insufficient medical care, or using the most profitable product/service vs. the most effective product/service for the cost.
It seems plain to me that a company that profits by denying medical treatment/medications should not be a company that has the power to deny medical treatment/medications.
If we insist on continuing with for-profit health insurance in the US I think it should be simpleinsurance against a financial loss. You pay your insurer to cover medical costs that exceed a set amount out of pocket; essentially catastrophic coverage. You pay your medical bills directly [perhaps using a pre-tax medical saving account] and then submit your receipts to the insurer who is expected to make you whole for any costs that exceed the contracted out of pocket [10% of income?]. The monthly fee for such coverage should be maybe 20% of what we pay in premiums now as they would need much less staff.
If anyone is unaware of how very awful most nursing facilities are then take heed- you don't want to go there. The staff is mostly poorly paid for a stressful chitty job and they are also chronically understaffed so people that may need real help and quickly just have to suffer. In pain? If no one is available to come then too bad. Need help to the toilet? Hope you are resigned to going in a diaper.
My sense is that when it comes to nursing facilities there isn't an honest profit to be made because the expense for good quality care is so high relative to the financial resources of the people staying there. So nursing facilities have a built in incentive to under staff and neglect residents.
From 2018:
The data, analyzed by Kaiser Health News, come from daily payroll records Medicare only recently began gathering and publishing from more than 14,000 nursing homes, as required by the Affordable Care Act of 2010. Medicare previously had been rating each facility’s staffing levels based on the homes’ own unverified reports, making it possible to game the system.
The payroll records provide the strongest evidence that, over the past decade, the government’s five-star rating system for nursing homes often exaggerated staffing levels and rarely identified the periods of thin staffing that were common. Medicare is now relying on the new data to evaluate staffing, but the revamped star ratings still mask the erratic levels of people working from day to day.
WhileMedicare does not set a minimum resident-to-staff ratio, it does require the presence of a registered nurse for eight hours a day and a licensed nurse at all times.
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the federal agency that oversees nursing home inspections, said in a statement that it “is concerned and taking steps to address fluctuations in staffing levels” that have emerged from the new data. This month, it said it would lower ratings for nursing homes that had gone seven or more days without a registered nurse.
In April, the government started using daily payroll reports to calculate average staffing ratings, replacing the old method, which relied on homes to report staffing for the two weeks before an inspection. The homes sometimes anticipated when an inspection would happen and could staff up before it.
The new records show that on at least one day during the last three months of 2017 — the most recent period for which data were available — a quarter of facilities reported no registered nurses at work.
Of the more than 14,000 nursing homes submitting payroll records, 7 in 10 had lower staffing using the new method, with a 12 percent average decrease, the data show. And as numerous studies have found, homes with lower staffing tended to have more health code violations — another crucial measure of quality.
Even with more reliable data, Medicare’s five-star rating system still has shortcomings. Medicare still assigns stars by comparing a home to other facilities, essentially grading on a curve. As a result, many homes have kept their rating even though their payroll records showed lower staffing than before. Also, Medicare did not rate more than 1,000 facilities, either because of data anomalies or because they were too new to have a staffing history.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...eral-data-saysThe payroll records provide the strongest evidence that, over the past decade, the government’s five-star rating system for nursing homes often exaggerated staffing levels and rarely identified the periods of thin staffing that were common. Medicare is now relying on the new data to evaluate staffing, but the revamped star ratings still mask the erratic levels of people working from day to day.
WhileMedicare does not set a minimum resident-to-staff ratio, it does require the presence of a registered nurse for eight hours a day and a licensed nurse at all times.
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the federal agency that oversees nursing home inspections, said in a statement that it “is concerned and taking steps to address fluctuations in staffing levels” that have emerged from the new data. This month, it said it would lower ratings for nursing homes that had gone seven or more days without a registered nurse.
In April, the government started using daily payroll reports to calculate average staffing ratings, replacing the old method, which relied on homes to report staffing for the two weeks before an inspection. The homes sometimes anticipated when an inspection would happen and could staff up before it.
The new records show that on at least one day during the last three months of 2017 — the most recent period for which data were available — a quarter of facilities reported no registered nurses at work.
Of the more than 14,000 nursing homes submitting payroll records, 7 in 10 had lower staffing using the new method, with a 12 percent average decrease, the data show. And as numerous studies have found, homes with lower staffing tended to have more health code violations — another crucial measure of quality.
Even with more reliable data, Medicare’s five-star rating system still has shortcomings. Medicare still assigns stars by comparing a home to other facilities, essentially grading on a curve. As a result, many homes have kept their rating even though their payroll records showed lower staffing than before. Also, Medicare did not rate more than 1,000 facilities, either because of data anomalies or because they were too new to have a staffing history.
I think it is near criminal that there is NO Minimum Staff-to-Resident Ratio for nursing facilities. This is a current campaign for nursing ratios:

I think most long term nursing facilities have at least 20 or 30 patients at a time. The current law only requires them to have 1 nurse on duty and has no requirements at all for other assistants.

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01-29-2022, 09:25 AM
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Fund medical training like UK. No tuition, direct 5 year from High School for physicians.
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01-29-2022, 09:26 AM
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01-29-2022, 11:19 AM
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Well, those who can't afford healthcare are going to get fuked.
This is just the way of the world. If you don't like the hospital, go pay for a good one.
Liberal commies will bitch and moan about everything. This is what's ruining this country
This is just the way of the world. If you don't like the hospital, go pay for a good one.
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01-29-2022, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I don't have anything good to say about it. IMO it is not a sector of society that should be milked as a corporate profit center.
Not saying thatprovidersshould not be well compensated or that well managed provider organizations shouldn't net a profit, just that most of the "profit" seems to be derived from denying medical care, giving insufficient medical care, or using the most profitable product/service vs. the most effective product/service for the cost.
It seems plain to me that a company that profits by denying medical treatment/medications should not be a company that has the power to deny medical treatment/medications.
If we insist on continuing with for-profit health insurance in the US I think it should be simpleinsurance against a financial loss. You pay your insurer to cover medical costs that exceed a set amount out of pocket; essentially catastrophic coverage. You pay your medical bills directly [perhaps using a pre-tax medical saving account] and then submit your receipts to the insurer who is expected to make you whole for any costs that exceed the contracted out of pocket [10% of income?]. The monthly fee for such coverage should be maybe 20% of what we pay in premiums now as they would need much less staff.
If anyone is unaware of how very awful most nursing facilities are then take heed- you don't want to go there. The staff is mostly poorly paid for a stressful chitty job and they are also chronically understaffed so people that may need real help and quickly just have to suffer. In pain? If no one is available to come then too bad. Need help to the toilet? Hope you are resigned to going in a diaper.
My sense is that when it comes to nursing facilities there isn't an honest profit to be made because the expense for good quality care is so high relative to the financial resources of the people staying there. So nursing facilities have a built in incentive to under staff and neglect residents.
From 2018:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...eral-data-says
I think it is near criminal that there is NO Minimum Staff-to-Resident Ratio for nursing facilities. This is a current campaign for nursing ratios:

I think most long term nursing facilities have at least 20 or 30 patients at a time. The current law only requires them to have 1 nurse on duty and has no requirements at all for other assistants.

Not saying thatprovidersshould not be well compensated or that well managed provider organizations shouldn't net a profit, just that most of the "profit" seems to be derived from denying medical care, giving insufficient medical care, or using the most profitable product/service vs. the most effective product/service for the cost.
It seems plain to me that a company that profits by denying medical treatment/medications should not be a company that has the power to deny medical treatment/medications.
If we insist on continuing with for-profit health insurance in the US I think it should be simpleinsurance against a financial loss. You pay your insurer to cover medical costs that exceed a set amount out of pocket; essentially catastrophic coverage. You pay your medical bills directly [perhaps using a pre-tax medical saving account] and then submit your receipts to the insurer who is expected to make you whole for any costs that exceed the contracted out of pocket [10% of income?]. The monthly fee for such coverage should be maybe 20% of what we pay in premiums now as they would need much less staff.
If anyone is unaware of how very awful most nursing facilities are then take heed- you don't want to go there. The staff is mostly poorly paid for a stressful chitty job and they are also chronically understaffed so people that may need real help and quickly just have to suffer. In pain? If no one is available to come then too bad. Need help to the toilet? Hope you are resigned to going in a diaper.
My sense is that when it comes to nursing facilities there isn't an honest profit to be made because the expense for good quality care is so high relative to the financial resources of the people staying there. So nursing facilities have a built in incentive to under staff and neglect residents.
From 2018:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...eral-data-says
I think it is near criminal that there is NO Minimum Staff-to-Resident Ratio for nursing facilities. This is a current campaign for nursing ratios:

I think most long term nursing facilities have at least 20 or 30 patients at a time. The current law only requires them to have 1 nurse on duty and has no requirements at all for other assistants.


01-29-2022, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted By whitepaper⏩
So pretty much everyone?Well, those who can't afford healthcare are going to get fuked.
This is just the way of the world. If you don't like the hospital, go pay for a good one.
Liberal commies will bitch and moan about everything. This is what's ruining this country
This is just the way of the world. If you don't like the hospital, go pay for a good one.
Liberal commies will bitch and moan about everything. This is what's ruining this country

The National Institute on Retirement Security reports that almost 40 million households have no retirement savings, while the Employee Benefit Research Institute estimates Americans have a retirement savings deficit of $4.3 trillion.
Average American Retirement Savings by Age
According to Fidelity, the following is what the average American has saved for retirement:
20 to 29: $15,000
30 to 39: $50,800
40 to 49: $120,800
50 to 59: $203,600
60 to 69: $229,100
If we can't get affordable healthcare can we at least get some nice cozy assisted sudoku centers?According to Fidelity, the following is what the average American has saved for retirement:
20 to 29: $15,000
30 to 39: $50,800
40 to 49: $120,800
50 to 59: $203,600
60 to 69: $229,100
I can’t speak for others but I will be 88 and have not a single living soul left alive. I tend o my own affairs l00% and they are l00% current and up to date. I am now researching g my options if something happened and I could not stay in assisted living. It is a very complex subject but I assure you, I WILL FIND THE ANSWERS - N O W - before anything happens. I will never, ever, no matter what happens go into a nursing home - never, ever! I won’t go into details but I am researching and believe I know what to do to prevent that if it should happen.
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