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post 1657101303 02-28-2022, 09:21 PM
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I Support Ukraine But...

It's kind of odd that all the major companies are "cancelling" Russia and that pretty much every Western country is profusely criticizing/sanctioning Russia for "warmongering" (our history is not so clean either).

Russia could collapse economically if they can't manage to win this "lightning" war. Putin may be taken out by a coup as the war grows more unpopular and the Russian standard of living plummets. Their government is then replaced by a globohomo friendly government.

Is it about oil? Russia has always used its extensive energy network as leverage against the rest of the world. Main reason why we stuck in Afghanistan for that TAPI pipeline as well.
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The problem is you don’t really know what’s going on. They’re squeezing Russia so hard that they want to initiate an uprising of the population.

Putins posturing and threats of using nuclear weapons is going to work in our favor as well because we know Putins closest Generals will not go for that. It’s certain destruction of Russia. You can clearly see division between Putin and his generals from the way he sits far away from them. This signifies that he doesn’t trust the men closest to him.

It’s only a matter of time before he turns up missing imo if he continues dragging Russia down the path of destruction.
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dude the WEF (klaus schwab), soros, rockefellers, all the covid ppl are coming in supporting ukraine.


the worst ppl of society are supporting ukraine. enough said. i feel bad for the PEOPLE of ukraine. the citizens, the politicians there are chitheads who sell themselves to biden and co. fk ukraine politician class.
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Originally Posted By Mountaineer92
the politicians there are chitheads who sell themselves to biden and co. fk ukraine politician class.
can you share some sources on this? is the president of ukraine actually a scumbag?
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Originally Posted By BigBoiRoy
can you share some sources on this? is the president of ukraine actually a scumbag?
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Youre overthinking it... all the sanctions levied are designed to cripple their economy in hopes of fomenting civil uprising, but not because of some oil and gas conspiracy...


And all these retard private companies banning russians is stupid and I definitely dont agree with it at all. There are universities that are expelling college kids... like wtf lmao, wtf did they do? They didnt invade ukraine.

Its basically cancel culture cancelling a country. There are even morons vandalizing russian owned businesses in canada and america, as if russian-americans are linked to the kremlin.

People are retarded. History is a circle.
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love the part where they're using it as a think pretext to ramp up censorship even further

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They're trying to form a new world order where all nations join each other. Ukraine stated this recently.
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Originally Posted By Mountaineer92
dude the WEF (klaus schwab), soros, rockefellers, all the covid ppl are coming in supporting ukraine.


the worst ppl of society are supporting ukraine. enough said. i feel bad for the PEOPLE of ukraine. the citizens, the politicians there are chitheads who sell themselves to biden and co. fk ukraine politician class.
This.

Sheeples need to realize this war started because of NATO wanting to expand. They are responsible for the displacement of millions of Ukrainians. But thoughts and prayers to them!
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Originally Posted By BigBoiRoy
can you share some sources on this? is the president of ukraine actually a scumbag?
A good doc that digs into this lead up.


Part 1:




Part 2:





And then a really good lecture from the University of Chicago back in 2015 addressing what may likely come to fruition at the time, which was surprisingly rather accurate in terms of what's happened over the last little while:


If you want to get to the interesting bit about Ukraine, he talks about it at the 44 minute mark


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Originally Posted By gtg
100% this. Insane how no one seems to be wondering why there's a conflict, only getting emotional that there IS a conflict, and nothing beyond that.
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Originally Posted By whitepaper
A good doc that digs into this lead up.


Part 1:




Part 2:





And then a really good lecture from the University of Chicago back in 2015 addressing what may likely come to fruition at the time, which was surprisingly rather accurate in terms of what's happened over the last little while:


If you want to get to the interesting bit about Ukraine, he talks about it at the 44 minute mark


Thanks brah ill check it out. I keep seeing that university lecture pop up in my recommended
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Originally Posted By Xgamer791
The problem is you don’t really know what’s going on. They’re squeezing Russia so hard that they want to initiate an uprising of the population.

Putins posturing and threats of using nuclear weapons is going to work in our favor as well because we know Putins closest Generals will not go for that. It’s certain destruction of Russia. You can clearly see division between Putin and his generals from the way he sits far away from them. This signifies that he doesn’t trust the men closest to him.

It’s only a matter of time before he turns up missing imo if he continues dragging Russia down the path of destruction.
You want to bet a nuclear bomb on how far he sits from his generals?
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Russia has been sanctioned before and got by. They will do the same again. They’re a resourceful nation.
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Originally Posted By Xgamer791
The problem is you don’t really know what’s going on. They’re squeezing Russia so hard that they want to initiate an uprising of the population.

Putins posturing and threats of using nuclear weapons is going to work in our favor as well because we know Putins closest Generals will not go for that. It’s certain destruction of Russia. You can clearly see division between Putin and his generals from the way he sits far away from them. This signifies that he doesn’t trust the men closest to him.

It’s only a matter of time before he turns up missing imo if he continues dragging Russia down the path of destruction.
Man you talk some shyt lmao. You have no idea why he sat so far away. Could be something as minuscule as camera angles and sound.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool
Youre overthinking it... all the sanctions levied are designed to cripple their economy in hopes of fomenting civil uprising, but not because of some oil and gas conspiracy...


And all these retard private companies banning russians is stupid and I definitely dont agree with it at all. There are universities that are expelling college kids... like wtf lmao, wtf did they do? They didnt invade ukraine.

Its basically cancel culture cancelling a country. There are even morons vandalizing russian owned businesses in canada and america, as if russian-americans are linked to the kremlin.

People are retarded. History is a circle.
May be true, but no one ever spoke up anytime the US deployed troops to some random country. Ukraine has been such a big talking point in the last few days evidenced by the WW3 fearmongering (nobody is nuking chit, big powers will forever wage proxy wars to get bigger but not blow everyone to smithereens)
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Russia has been sanctioned before and got by. They will do the same again. They’re a resourceful nation.
idk look at their currency
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Originally Posted By gtg
Cool story bruh....

REALITY: No one has tried to harm or invade Russia since Hitler........ Meanwhile, Russia has tried to harm and invade dozens of countries since WW2.

If Russia and its citizens are a bunch of schizophrenic retards and think that someone is always "out to get them" then they should put a tinfoil hat on and go see a psychiatrist. They have no right to tell a neighboring country what to do. Period. If they are so scared of NATO then they should turn their side of the border into a mine field (ask North Korea how).


Also, fun fact for schizophrenic retards: Latvia and Estonia both border Russia and both are NATO members since 2004. Please let me know the date and time when they hurt Russia in the past 18 years, surely they were about to destroy Russia right? I'll wait for your answer.
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Originally Posted By BigBoiRoy
Thanks brah ill check it out. I keep seeing that university lecture pop up in my recommended
If anything simply watch that lecture, or just from 44 minutes.
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard
It's kind of odd that all the major companies are "cancelling" Russia and that pretty much every Western country is profusely criticizing/sanctioning Russia for "warmongering" (our history is not so clean either).

Russia could collapse economically if they can't manage to win this "lightning" war. Putin may be taken out by a coup as the war grows more unpopular and the Russian standard of living plummets. Their government is then replaced by a globohomo friendly government.

Is it about oil? Russia has always used its extensive energy network as leverage against the rest of the world. Main reason why we stuck in Afghanistan for that TAPI pipeline as well.
It's ALWAYS about oil boyo. A-L-W-A-Y-S. Don't ever think otherwise unless it's some other resource.
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Originally Posted By whitepaper
If anything simply watch that lecture, or just from 44 minutes.
im 30 mins in, interesting stuff

ive always thought it was weird how aggressively the dems have been blaming russia for everything. I watched a 10 min NBC Megyn Kelly interview with Putin earlier and it was legit more propagandized than Russian media Ded Fkn Srs.
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Originally Posted By TrueTruth
Cool story bruh....

REALITY: No one has tried to harm or invade Russia since Hitler........ Meanwhile, Russia has tried to harm and invade dozens of countries since WW2.

If Russia and its citizens are a bunch of schizophrenic retards and think that someone is always "out to get them" then they should put a tinfoil hat on and go see a psychiatrist. They have no right to tell a neighboring country what to do. Period. If they are so scared of NATO then they should turn their side of the border into a mine field (ask North Korea how).


Also, fun fact for schizophrenic retards: Latvia and Estonia both border Russia and both are NATO members since 2004. Please let me know the date and time when they hurt Russia in the past 18 years, surely they were about to destroy Russia right? I'll wait for your answer.
You do realize that NATOs inception is rooted in anti-Russia/USSR of the cold war era, and that they've convinced themselves of being an "energy" treaty, but now they can go back to their roots and provide themselves with a purpose again.

You do realize there was an agreement that NATO would not expand eastward, and this is what they attempted to do back in 2008 with Georgia, which is what lead Russia to invade and deter them from joining.

You do realize that Latvia and Estonia can be pincered off via Claningrade if it comes to it, not to mention Belarus is a buffer

You do realize that Ukraine can essentially be a block within the Black Sea.

If you need a loose comparison, think of how problematic it would be if Mexico was aligned with Russia or the East, and how much of a headache that would cause for us. Thankfully, the Atlantic and Gulf are large enough that we would not be closed in, but you get the idea of what kind of threat to our security that would be.


Beyond the monetary aspect of a Eastern or even neutral Ukraine, the geography is rather significant.

This thinking of yours of, "they didn't do anything then!" is simple-minded. Logic stands that you think more than one step ahead here, and look to your position situation years down the line. Nothing more than preemptive planning, and the history books would simply look back at NATO expansion as one of the major leadups to the decline of Russia and its influence (possibly the nation as a whole, as break-away states become more common), etc.


And NATO does more harm than good. All it does is draw a line in the sand, and forces nations to act based on the strongest voice in the group--political interests are far too dynamic for this sort of notion to work. Just look at the EU as an example of this, and the difficulties and conflicting interests they've had. Consider that this is one geopolitical region, not a group of nations straddling multiple geo-regions, with varying trade agreements and self interests. All this does is push nations to peripheries and amplifies the loudest voice in the room--for NATO, this is the US, which is perfectly fine straddling two oceans on either side of its borders, with no constant threat. Unless the Canadians get out of hand, then we need to teach them a lesson, as we did with their stupid truck convoy.
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Originally Posted By whitepaper
You do realize that NATOs inception is rooted in anti-Russia/USSR of the cold war era, and that they've convinced themselves of being an "energy" treaty, but now they can go back to their roots and provide themselves with a purpose again.

You do realize there was an agreement that NATO would not expand eastward, and this is what they attempted to do back in 2008 with Georgia, which is what lead Russia to invade and deter them from joining.

You do realize that Latvia and Estonia can be pincered off via Claningrade if it comes to it, not to mention Belarus is a buffer

You do realize that Ukraine can essentially be a block within the Black Sea.

If you need a loose comparison, think of how problematic it would be if Mexico was aligned with Russia or the East, and how much of a headache that would cause for us. Thankfully, the Atlantic and Gulf are large enough that we would not be closed in, but you get the idea of what kind of threat to our security that would be.


Beyond the monetary aspect of a Eastern or even neutral Ukraine, the geography is rather significant.


And NATO does more harm than good. All it does is draw a line in the sand, and forces nations to act based on the strongest voice in the group--political interests are far too dynamic for this sort of notion to work. Just look at the EU as an example of this, and the difficulties and conflicting interests they've had. Consider that this is one geopolitical region, not a group of nations straddling multiple geo-regions, with varying trade agreements and self interests. All this does is push nations to peripheries and amplifies the loudest voice in the room--for NATO, this is the US, which is perfectly fine straddling two oceans on either side of its borders, with no constant threat. Unless the Canadians get out of hand, then we need to teach them a lesson, as we did with their stupid truck convoy.
Translation: No one tried to harm Russia in the past 75 years, and all their claims about "possible NATO attack" are nothing but a bunch of schizophrenic looney tunes yapping.

Russia has no right to tell Georgia, Ukraine, or anyone else that they can't join NATO. They are independent countries and they can do what they want within their own borders. Suck it up and deal with it.

I asked you to tell me when was Russia threatened by Latvia and Estonia, bordering NATO countries. You failed to answer for obvious reasons. Case closed.
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Originally Posted By TrueTruth
Translation: No one tried to harm Russia in the past 75 years, and all their claims about "possible NATO attack" are nothing but a bunch of schizophrenic looney tunes yapping.

Russia has no right to tell Georgia, Ukraine, or anyone else that they can't join NATO. They are independent countries and they can do what they want within their own borders. Suck it up and deal with it.

I asked you to tell me when was Russia threatened by Latvia and Estonia, bordering NATO countries. You failed to answer for obvious reasons. Case closed.
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Originally Posted By TrueTruth
Cool story bruh....

REALITY: No one has tried to harm or invade Russia since Hitler........ Meanwhile, Russia has tried to harm and invade dozens of countries since WW2.

If Russia and its citizens are a bunch of schizophrenic retards and think that someone is always "out to get them" then they should put a tinfoil hat on and go see a psychiatrist. They have no right to tell a neighboring country what to do. Period. If they are so scared of NATO then they should turn their side of the border into a mine field (ask North Korea how).


Also, fun fact for schizophrenic retards: Latvia and Estonia both border Russia and both are NATO members since 2004. Please let me know the date and time when they hurt Russia in the past 18 years, surely they were about to destroy Russia right? I'll wait for your answer.
Shut up retard

you should consider CIA and NATO espionage and influence related to Russian politics


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100% this. Insane how no one seems to be wondering why there's a conflict, only getting emotional that there IS a conflict, and nothing beyond that.
surely you can enlighten us... right?
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Originally Posted By TrueTruth
Translation: No one tried to harm Russia in the past 75 years, and all their claims about "possible NATO attack" are nothing but a bunch of schizophrenic looney tunes yapping.

Russia has no right to tell Georgia, Ukraine, or anyone else that they can't join NATO. They are independent countries and they can do what they want within their own borders. Suck it up and deal with it.

I asked you to tell me when was Russia threatened by Latvia and Estonia, bordering NATO countries. You failed to answer for obvious reasons. Case closed.
Russia does have to push back against other powers putting missile systems on their border or they risk losing all their teeth as a nation. It's hard to try and further your goals if you have no actual ability to project power beyond your own borders. If NATO/US puts defense systems around the country that render it powerless it might as well just dissolve.

Russia has every right to tell Georgia, Ukraine or anyone else they can't join NATO, they just have to back this declaration up with force. Law is nothing more than words backed by force, without that there is no law and if you can enforce your will it is law. International law is just a moral high ground based in fantasy unless the UN or NATO wants to back it up with force.

I'm not rooting for Russia here but to pretend they are just some giant dicks is pretty ignorant. It's unfortunate that NATO left Ukraine in this position rather than extending an invite when Russia was much weaker like in 2008 when it was promised the opportunity to join. Why not just extend the invite instead.
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Originally Posted By TrueTruth
Translation: No one tried to harm Russia in the past 75 years, and all their claims about "possible NATO attack" are nothing but a bunch of schizophrenic looney tunes yapping.

Russia has no right to tell Georgia, Ukraine, or anyone else that they can't join NATO. They are independent countries and they can do what they want within their own borders. Suck it up and deal with it.

I asked you to tell me when was Russia threatened by Latvia and Estonia, bordering NATO countries. You failed to answer for obvious reasons. Case closed.
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If you mean to tell me there has been no direct military confrontation with Russia and an external nation outside the sphere of their control, then that's a rather arbitrary point, or rather, lends credence as to the point of NATO's purpose to begin with, and why they still exist. If you're saying, Russia has nothing to worry about, then by that token, NATO has nothing to worry about and shouldn't exist to begin with.

And if that's the case, then why is NATO expanding and roping in more nations?

You can't use "no one has attacked Russia in 75 years" then talk about NATO serving any purpose--you can't have your argument both ways. NATO's very existence and activity/nation expansion is a direct threat, especially given NATO's initial and intended purpose of being a counter force to Russia/Eastern powers.
Your argument makes no sense.
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You are definitely correct that Russia has no right to tell any of those countries whether they can or cannot join NATO--no one is arguing that the actions of Russia are right, or moral, but that this is a reaction to NATO aggression and expansion. It's not a justification, but a "well, what did you expect?" and that crocodile tears from Western nations is nothing more than pandering to the ignorant masses. It's not as though NATO is ignorant to what they assumed would happen, and there's a reason they aren't directly supporting Ukraine or granting them entry into NATO at this time--they aren't stupid, and are taking Ukrainians for a ride. This is nothing more than a proxy war, and Ukrainians are canon fodder for the next play/move against Russia.
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