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04-28-2022, 11:03 AM
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Why is the market pumping on poor economic data? Dump incoming?
GDP drops 1.4% but the Dow is up 1.4%, SP500 2%, NASDAQ 2.2%. Even BTC had a decent pump up to 40.3k out of nowhere
The last time I saw the market pump on poor data, the market dumped HARD by the end of the day. Bulls about to get scammed
The last time I saw the market pump on poor data, the market dumped HARD by the end of the day. Bulls about to get scammed
04-28-2022, 11:05 AM
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04-28-2022, 11:07 AM
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04-28-2022, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
this... could be an influx of people moving from single stocks to a diversified fundsGetting ready for Amazon Apple earnings tanking things imo
Plunge protection team pumps now getting ready for it
Plunge protection team pumps now getting ready for it
only literal retards would dump index funds in a panic
04-28-2022, 11:11 AM
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04-28-2022, 11:12 AM
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04-28-2022, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted By LS1Z28⏩
I heard this somewhere else too. If the fed pussies out be ready for 15% inflationThe Fed has been talking about a 50 basis point rate hike in May. Negative GDP in the first quarter reduces that probability.
can't see it
04-28-2022, 11:15 AM
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Kinda like buy the rumor, sell the news. But in this case sell the rumor, buy the news.
04-28-2022, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted By Azrairc⏩
The Fed is in a really tough position. What are they supposed to do with negative growth and 8.5% inflation? IMO, they have to continue to raise rates, because stagflation is worse than a recession. Hopefully this will teach us not to go overboard with stimulus and QE in the future.I heard this somewhere else too. If the fed pussies out be ready for 15% inflation
can't see it
can't see it
04-28-2022, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted By LS1Z28⏩
They never unwound from 87. You can’t do “less” QE without successfully unwinding the previous ones. We keep making bigger and bigger bubbles.The Fed is in a really tough position. What are they supposed to do with negative growth and 8.5% inflation? IMO, they have to continue to raise rates, because stagflation is worse than a recession. Hopefully this will teach us not to go overboard with stimulus and QE in the future.
04-28-2022, 11:32 AM
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04-28-2022, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted By LS1Z28⏩
imo just get it over with. A recession is going to happen, kill inflation ASAP so we can start moving on. Instead of dragging it out with insane inflation, do it now while people have cash on hand. While it will hurt job markets a lot of people have cash, but with this slow balling they will be in a weaker position if it continually gets wiped out by inflation then go into a recession. At least a recession ASAP will strengthen the dollar. They can't have it both ways, they acted way too slow.The Fed is in a really tough position. What are they supposed to do with negative growth and 8.5% inflation? IMO, they have to continue to raise rates, because stagflation is worse than a recession. Hopefully this will teach us not to go overboard with stimulus and QE in the future.
04-28-2022, 11:35 AM
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pumping? im down 100k in the span of a couple of months
04-28-2022, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted By LS1Z28⏩
This was my first guess too.The Fed has been talking about a 50 basis point rate hike in May. Negative GDP in the first quarter reduces that probability.
Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
I wasn't aware of these though.Getting ready for Amazon Apple earnings tanking things imo
Plunge protection team pumps now getting ready for it
Plunge protection team pumps now getting ready for it
Charts from Mac10@SuburbanDrone on Twitter. Just found him last night. Charts all the time.

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04-28-2022, 11:44 AM
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My holdings in QQQ have absolutely tanked in the last 6 months.......
Everything I post is satire.
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04-28-2022, 11:50 AM
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04-28-2022, 11:58 AM
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In the short term, the stock market is controlled by algos and hedge funds. In the long term, the stock market is controlled by the Federal Reserve.
Read these SEC indictments to understand how big fish can move the daily market up or down at will, just to fuk with retail.
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Read these SEC indictments to understand how big fish can move the daily market up or down at will, just to fuk with retail.
Spoiler!
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04-28-2022, 12:07 PM
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04-28-2022, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted By WeBoutDat⏩
^^^It's just moving toward max pain for short term options expiring tomorrow. When the majority are holding puts, market pumps.
Everyone knows the economy is chit, so investors are loading up on shorts. Right now, SPY is more shorted than it was during the first Rona lockdowns in Feb 2020. MMs are going to short-term pump this bish, so they don't have to pay out the nose on the mountain of puts they sold.
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04-28-2022, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted By SamIAm1892⏩
I'm afraid so. I don't know if this guy is right, but he isn't the only one I have found saying that it is a mistake for the Fed to raise rates right now and that it will end in tears.Get ready mang, this is going to be a ride no one will ever forget.
Back in 2008, inflation expectations peaked in July and August. The market collapsed in September. In hindsight, the economy had been in recession for EIGHT MONTHS already:
Then as now, the Fed was SOLELY concerned about public hysteria over inflation:
"On the morning after Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy in September 2008, most Federal Reserve officials still believed that the American economy would keep growing despite the metastasizing financial crisis"
"The transcript for that meeting contains 129 mentions of “inflation” and five of “recession.”
Well, this time around they are making a far greater error. They are actively raising interest rates during an incipient global meltdown.
Back in August 2015, the Yellen Fed was planning a .25% rate hike in September which caused the Chinese Yuan to implode. That in turn caused a chain reaction crash of global risk assets. Which I called smash crash. It was a limit down gong show that forced the Fed to delay their rate hike.
This time around, the Fed funds futures have priced in 1.75% of rate hikes between now and July, which is 7x more than what imploded China in 2015.
And now already, the Yuan is imploding AGAIN:

Then as now, the Fed was SOLELY concerned about public hysteria over inflation:
"On the morning after Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy in September 2008, most Federal Reserve officials still believed that the American economy would keep growing despite the metastasizing financial crisis"
"The transcript for that meeting contains 129 mentions of “inflation” and five of “recession.”
Well, this time around they are making a far greater error. They are actively raising interest rates during an incipient global meltdown.
Back in August 2015, the Yellen Fed was planning a .25% rate hike in September which caused the Chinese Yuan to implode. That in turn caused a chain reaction crash of global risk assets. Which I called smash crash. It was a limit down gong show that forced the Fed to delay their rate hike.
This time around, the Fed funds futures have priced in 1.75% of rate hikes between now and July, which is 7x more than what imploded China in 2015.
And now already, the Yuan is imploding AGAIN:

There's only one problem, which is that the Fed is nowhere near capitulating on rate hikes. In fact they are planning to "front load" rate hikes over the next three months. A term that has been used multiple times recently by Fed members.
Unfortunately, the ONLY thing that has turned markets around since 2008 IS the Fed. Case in point 2009, 2011, 2015, 2016, 2018, and 2020. EVERY TIME it was the Fed pivoting from hawkish to dovish. Pausing rate hikes. Cutting rates. Or re-starting QE.
So I created this chart, showing where the Fed might start getting worried about asset declines. This is strictly hypothetical. I will update it as we get signs that the Fed is starting to change policy. However, given the magnitude of this debacle, risks are skewed to the downside. Once the global margin call gets started, central banks will have no chance to stop it.

All of which is why I say there are no safe assets right now. The safest is "cash" aka. t-bills and money market funds.This was the lesson from March 2020 that has already been forgotten. Even long-term Treasury bonds imploded [but they recovered first]. Gold also imploded, but recovered second after Treasuries, the same sequence as in 2008.
Unfortunately, the ONLY thing that has turned markets around since 2008 IS the Fed. Case in point 2009, 2011, 2015, 2016, 2018, and 2020. EVERY TIME it was the Fed pivoting from hawkish to dovish. Pausing rate hikes. Cutting rates. Or re-starting QE.
So I created this chart, showing where the Fed might start getting worried about asset declines. This is strictly hypothetical. I will update it as we get signs that the Fed is starting to change policy. However, given the magnitude of this debacle, risks are skewed to the downside. Once the global margin call gets started, central banks will have no chance to stop it.

All of which is why I say there are no safe assets right now. The safest is "cash" aka. t-bills and money market funds.This was the lesson from March 2020 that has already been forgotten. Even long-term Treasury bonds imploded [but they recovered first]. Gold also imploded, but recovered second after Treasuries, the same sequence as in 2008.
This time will be FAR WORSE. By the time the Fed pivots, the market will be in FULL panic mode. They will view Fed reversal as confirmation of recession. Which is what it will be.
Only when the Fed itself panics and JAPANIFIES the bond market, will the stock market eventually find a tradable bottom. In 2008 it took four months. I make no predictions this time around.
Regardless, the damage will be done.
What no pundit will say then or now is that the low in 1930 was a tradable low. But it was NOT the bottom. The all time high was not exceeded until 1955. TWENTY FIVE YEARS later.
https://zensecondlife.blogspot.com/2...-scenario.htmlOnly when the Fed itself panics and JAPANIFIES the bond market, will the stock market eventually find a tradable bottom. In 2008 it took four months. I make no predictions this time around.
Regardless, the damage will be done.
What no pundit will say then or now is that the low in 1930 was a tradable low. But it was NOT the bottom. The all time high was not exceeded until 1955. TWENTY FIVE YEARS later.
Don't know if anyone else recalls, but there was another miscer who I believe had significant funds in the market. Said he and his wife pulled out everything and this was just after a fairly big drop IIRC. Said that they had discussed it and felt it was better to get out for now. I think it was late December or early January.
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04-28-2022, 12:20 PM
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Have you been away for the past 2 years?
04-28-2022, 12:24 PM
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*looks at portfolio since november of 2021*
Not sheriff srs OP.
Not sheriff srs OP.
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04-28-2022, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted By LS1Z28⏩
They may change their tune but I saw before the GDP reports that Bank of America was predicting 3 straight 50 basis point hikes. All depends on whether the Fed Reserve cares more about historical inflation or pushing a recession. I hope they choose recession because there are plenty of factors that should make it not last too long, whereas you can't undo high inflation (technically yes you can by letting deflation happen but that freaks out the Fed and Congress more than anything, so that's off the table of possibilities).The Fed has been talking about a 50 basis point rate hike in May. Negative GDP in the first quarter reduces that probability.
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04-28-2022, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted By MotorCityCobra⏩
LMAO this...pumping? im down 100k in the span of a couple of months
wtf is pumping? I've been getting anal raped hard for 6 months in a row now..... and all my companies are logging significant growth.
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