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Definitive Answer: Rows > pull ups for lats
Been arguing with miscers about this over the past year.
Miscers have it in their head pullups are king and pullups is best for growing your back, I have said time and time again it is too compound of a movement and works arms and deltoids way too much and people just have an emotional attachment to pullups because it looks cool.
if you think Chris Beardsley doesnt know what hes talking about you are a fukking clown and im not going to respond to you, its like telling Alan Aragon hes wrong with something about nutrition.
Miscers have it in their head pullups are king and pullups is best for growing your back, I have said time and time again it is too compound of a movement and works arms and deltoids way too much and people just have an emotional attachment to pullups because it looks cool.
if you think Chris Beardsley doesnt know what hes talking about you are a fukking clown and im not going to respond to you, its like telling Alan Aragon hes wrong with something about nutrition.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
I had bicep tendonitis and couldn't do pulldowns or pullups for close to a year. Did a lot of Rows instead, and my lats grew significantly. I think they hit different areas, but the Lats are hit by rows better in my natty experience as well.Been arguing with miscers about this over the past year.
Miscers have it in their head pullups are king and pullups is best for growing your back, I have said time and time again it is too compound of a movement and works arms and deltoids way too much and people just have an emotional attachment to pullups because it looks cool.
if you think Chris Beardsley doesnt know what hes talking about you are a fukking clown and im not going to respond to you, its like telling Alan Aragon hes wrong with something about nutrition.
Miscers have it in their head pullups are king and pullups is best for growing your back, I have said time and time again it is too compound of a movement and works arms and deltoids way too much and people just have an emotional attachment to pullups because it looks cool.
if you think Chris Beardsley doesnt know what hes talking about you are a fukking clown and im not going to respond to you, its like telling Alan Aragon hes wrong with something about nutrition.
Also if there are 2 things Alan Aragon knows it's nutrition and how to ruin your reputation by harassing women.
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Only thing I would add is "rows done with proper technique". I'd say that back is the #2 on the list of muscle groups that most have bad/horrible technique on next to Biceps. Back growth went through the roof once I learned how to properly isolate the target area of the back I'm targeting.
Will say that pullups are great for strength however, but anything other than neutral grip wreaks havoc on my elbows.
Will say that pullups are great for strength however, but anything other than neutral grip wreaks havoc on my elbows.
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Yeah I find my hammer grip pull ups tend to have me halfway between a row and pull-up.
If you consider an inverted row to be parallel with the bar I tend to be at a 45deg angle between the two. It gets more pronounced then being able to lean backwards on a lat pull down.
I really like doing inverted rows with bands or chains tho
If you consider an inverted row to be parallel with the bar I tend to be at a 45deg angle between the two. It gets more pronounced then being able to lean backwards on a lat pull down.
I really like doing inverted rows with bands or chains tho
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
yeah but read the writeup and absorb it thats exactly what hes telling you to do, how to activate the thoracic, pelvic, and lubar lats and what arm paths and shoulder movement to do to bias each one.Only thing I would add is "rows done with proper technique". I'd say that back is the #2 on the list of muscle groups that most have bad/horrible technique on next to Biceps. Back growth went through the roof once I learned how to properly isolate the target area of the back I'm targeting.
Will say that pullups are great for strength however, but anything other than neutral grip wreaks havoc on my elbows.
Will say that pullups are great for strength however, but anything other than neutral grip wreaks havoc on my elbows.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Inverted rows are really good because they make it impossible for you to use your glutes or erectors.Yeah I find my hammer grip pull ups tend to have me halfway between a row and pull-up.
If you consider an inverted row to be parallel with the bar I tend to be at a 45deg angle between the two. It gets more pronounced then being able to lean backwards on a lat pull down.
I really like doing inverted rows with bands or chains tho
If you consider an inverted row to be parallel with the bar I tend to be at a 45deg angle between the two. It gets more pronounced then being able to lean backwards on a lat pull down.
I really like doing inverted rows with bands or chains tho
When you work back your chest should go in the opposite direction of your elbows, if it is EVER going in the same direction as your elbows(back) then you are not using your back muscles(except erectors)
They also put your arms in the saggital or scapular range which is really good for lats, and you can manipulate close and wide grip to hit two different lat regions
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Never done inverted rows in my life. Will try tonight.
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
even if you cant force progressive overload on it(hard to keep adding weight for obvious reasons) its probably a good movement to just get your mind muscle connection in a movement pattern for other back liftsNever done inverted rows in my life. Will try tonight.
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It’s always the people that can’t do pullups who are hating on them
Nothing beats pullups
Especially if you care about any kind of real world performance or functionality
Just lol
Nothing beats pullups
Especially if you care about any kind of real world performance or functionality
Just lol
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
Been wanting to really dial my lats in. I think my arms, chest, shoulders are in a good spot, so my lats are the next thing I need to obsess over.even if you cant force progressive overload on it(hard to keep adding weight for obvious reasons) its probably a good movement to just get your mind muscle connection in a movement pattern for other back lifts
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Originally Posted By IlChosenOne⏩
so you are going to argue against the number 2 exercise physiology professor/expert in the whole world who has published multiple books and is respected by every single bodybuilder?It’s always the people that can’t do pullups who are hating on them
Nothing beats pullups
Especially if you care about any kind of real world performance or functionality
Just lol
Nothing beats pullups
Especially if you care about any kind of real world performance or functionality
Just lol
I am VERY interested in the evidence you have to support this claim.
let me guess, you like doing pull ups, you do a lot of pull ups, and you cant come to terms with the fact you have been doing the less optimal exercise for years. So its easier to just seek out confirmation bias and spout out broscience than have less of an ego and more open of a mind to progressing and learning.
It really baffles me when I get on here to try and help people learn how to progress faster, and people like this come in to argue that they want to keep doing whats less optimal even when presented with evidence from a leading expert in the field.
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notice how he doesn't use strong language like "definitively" or "certainly" because studies like these can always change and be proven differently. Instead he uses "probably" and "slightly".
Also the key words in that instagram post is "if a choice needs to be made". So if you do BOTH rows and pull-ups, who is to say that ISN'T superior to just doing rows, or just doing pull-ups. The post doesn't address that at all.
People get too overly attached to a single movement either way and will defend it overzealously to the ends of the earth for no logical reason at all and just pull out definitive statements. That goes for rows or pullups.
Truth is in the grand scheme of things unless you are some IFBB pro bodybuilder that really needs to bring up his lats, that chit doesn't matter. What matters more is executing it properly, proper form, etc. Maybe a person has problems doing pullups bc of elbow tendonitis, or a person has problems executing or doing rows and don't really "feel" that connection after trying for awhile. Or something just as simple as liking to do pullups vs hating rows, you're probably going to see better development doing exercises you like vs ones you don't like bc you are going to push yourself harder with them and probably have better form.
Also peak activation doesn't necessarily mean better development, alot more factors goes into it. if we're talking whether or not EMG's were used to measure it. Problem with exercise science studies like this is it cannot measure a lot of real-world factors and are often done on beginners over a 6-8 week period.
the real clowns are the ones that get caught up in debates of one over the other and start raging like a flaming homo about it. With that said I really like inverted rows. Probably one of the best kept secrets and underrated movements.
Also the key words in that instagram post is "if a choice needs to be made". So if you do BOTH rows and pull-ups, who is to say that ISN'T superior to just doing rows, or just doing pull-ups. The post doesn't address that at all.
People get too overly attached to a single movement either way and will defend it overzealously to the ends of the earth for no logical reason at all and just pull out definitive statements. That goes for rows or pullups.
Truth is in the grand scheme of things unless you are some IFBB pro bodybuilder that really needs to bring up his lats, that chit doesn't matter. What matters more is executing it properly, proper form, etc. Maybe a person has problems doing pullups bc of elbow tendonitis, or a person has problems executing or doing rows and don't really "feel" that connection after trying for awhile. Or something just as simple as liking to do pullups vs hating rows, you're probably going to see better development doing exercises you like vs ones you don't like bc you are going to push yourself harder with them and probably have better form.
Also peak activation doesn't necessarily mean better development, alot more factors goes into it. if we're talking whether or not EMG's were used to measure it. Problem with exercise science studies like this is it cannot measure a lot of real-world factors and are often done on beginners over a 6-8 week period.
the real clowns are the ones that get caught up in debates of one over the other and start raging like a flaming homo about it. With that said I really like inverted rows. Probably one of the best kept secrets and underrated movements.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
I was going to let your comment slide, but not this time. The disrespect from little 170lbs fukkers and wheelspinners with extremely unimpressive physiques and keyboard warriors trying to knock people who actually have lifting experience and knowledge on this forum is out of control.so you are going to argue against the number 2 exercise physiology professor/expert in the whole world who has published multiple books and is respected by every single bodybuilder?
I am VERY interested in the evidence you have to support this claim.
let me guess, you like doing pull ups, you do a lot of pull ups, and you cant come to terms with the fact you have been doing the less optimal exercise for years. So its easier to just seek out confirmation bias and spout out broscience than have less of an ego and more open of a mind to progressing and learning.
It really baffles me when I get on here to try and help people learn how to progress faster, and people like this come in to argue that they want to keep doing whats less optimal even when presented with evidence from a leading expert in the field.
I am VERY interested in the evidence you have to support this claim.
let me guess, you like doing pull ups, you do a lot of pull ups, and you cant come to terms with the fact you have been doing the less optimal exercise for years. So its easier to just seek out confirmation bias and spout out broscience than have less of an ego and more open of a mind to progressing and learning.
It really baffles me when I get on here to try and help people learn how to progress faster, and people like this come in to argue that they want to keep doing whats less optimal even when presented with evidence from a leading expert in the field.
Yall want to disrespect one of the last knowledgeable lifters on here because you thinkg everying is about peds and drugs you can get royally fukked the whole lot of you.
Seriously misc is descending into **** faster and faster every day.
The amount of dumbass ****ty lifters who think they deserve to have a voice with people who actually take lifting seriously is disgusting.
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
Couldn’t have put it better myselfnotice how he doesn't use strong language like "definitively" or "certainly" because studies like these can always change and be proven differently. Instead he uses "probably" and "slightly".
Also the key words in that instagram post is "if a choice needs to be made". So if you do BOTH rows and pull-ups, who is to say that ISN'T superior to just doing rows, or just doing pull-ups. The post doesn't address that at all.
People get too overly attached to a single movement either way and will defend it overzealously to the ends of the earth for no logical reason at all and just pull out definitive statements. That goes for rows or pullups.
Truth is in the grand scheme of things unless you are some IFBB pro bodybuilder that really needs to bring up his lats, that chit doesn't matter. What matters more is executing it properly, proper form, etc. Maybe a person has problems doing pullups bc of elbow tendonitis, or a person has problems executing or doing rows and don't really "feel" that connection after trying for awhile. Or something just as simple as liking to do pullups vs hating rows, you're probably going to see better development doing exercises you like vs ones you don't like bc you are going to push yourself harder with them and probably have better form.
Also peak activation doesn't necessarily mean better development, alot more factors goes into it. if we're talking whether or not EMG's were used to measure it. Problem with exercise science studies like this is it cannot measure a lot of real-world factors and are often done on beginners over a 6-8 week period.
the real clowns are the ones that get caught up in debates of one over the other and start raging like a flaming homo about it. With that said I really like inverted rows. Probably one of the best kept secrets and underrated movements.
Also the key words in that instagram post is "if a choice needs to be made". So if you do BOTH rows and pull-ups, who is to say that ISN'T superior to just doing rows, or just doing pull-ups. The post doesn't address that at all.
People get too overly attached to a single movement either way and will defend it overzealously to the ends of the earth for no logical reason at all and just pull out definitive statements. That goes for rows or pullups.
Truth is in the grand scheme of things unless you are some IFBB pro bodybuilder that really needs to bring up his lats, that chit doesn't matter. What matters more is executing it properly, proper form, etc. Maybe a person has problems doing pullups bc of elbow tendonitis, or a person has problems executing or doing rows and don't really "feel" that connection after trying for awhile. Or something just as simple as liking to do pullups vs hating rows, you're probably going to see better development doing exercises you like vs ones you don't like bc you are going to push yourself harder with them and probably have better form.
Also peak activation doesn't necessarily mean better development, alot more factors goes into it. if we're talking whether or not EMG's were used to measure it. Problem with exercise science studies like this is it cannot measure a lot of real-world factors and are often done on beginners over a 6-8 week period.
the real clowns are the ones that get caught up in debates of one over the other and start raging like a flaming homo about it. With that said I really like inverted rows. Probably one of the best kept secrets and underrated movements.
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I disagree but that's probably because I avoid barbell rows as my form due to imbalances always deteriorates
My lats are too big and I do heavy pullups and i'm not as strong on my rows
as far as cable rows, I use the wide bar to hit more upper back as I feel pullups cover my lat gains just fine
My lats are too big and I do heavy pullups and i'm not as strong on my rows
as far as cable rows, I use the wide bar to hit more upper back as I feel pullups cover my lat gains just fine
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I think you're right I like the seated rows. I'm not making great back gains with chins and pull-ups and I injured my shoulder doing more wide grip pull ups
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Been using pull ups for conditioning, grip strength, shoulder health and core work forever
Only time i feel my lats while doing pull ups is if I'm focusing on them (hollow hold), or if I'm pulling weighted at like 70-100%
Don't think anyone is doing pull ups for actual back growth. Calling it "less optimal" is dependent on the situation
Unless a person couldn't do one, then progressing to 10 would definitely add growth to the back along with the assistance muscles
End of the day, its personal preference
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"Do whatever the **** you wanna do"
Only time i feel my lats while doing pull ups is if I'm focusing on them (hollow hold), or if I'm pulling weighted at like 70-100%
Don't think anyone is doing pull ups for actual back growth. Calling it "less optimal" is dependent on the situation
Unless a person couldn't do one, then progressing to 10 would definitely add growth to the back along with the assistance muscles
End of the day, its personal preference
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
I strongly disagree with what you are saying because I have seen TOO many people lift absolutely wrong for lats. I think it is EXTREMELY important for lifters to read this kind of information and the reason most people arent building lats.notice how he doesn't use strong language like "definitively" or "certainly" because studies like these can always change and be proven differently. Instead he uses "probably" and "slightly".
Also the key words in that instagram post is "if a choice needs to be made". So if you do BOTH rows and pull-ups, who is to say that ISN'T superior to just doing rows, or just doing pull-ups. The post doesn't address that at all.
People get too overly attached to a single movement either way and will defend it overzealously to the ends of the earth for no logical reason at all and just pull out definitive statements. That goes for rows or pullups.
Truth is in the grand scheme of things unless you are some IFBB pro bodybuilder that really needs to bring up his lats, that chit doesn't matter. What matters more is executing it properly, proper form, etc. Maybe a person has problems doing pullups bc of elbow tendonitis, or a person has problems executing or doing rows and don't really "feel" that connection after trying for awhile. Or something just as simple as liking to do pullups vs hating rows, you're probably going to see better development doing exercises you like vs ones you don't like bc you are going to push yourself harder with them and probably have better form.
Also peak activation doesn't necessarily mean better development, alot more factors goes into it. if we're talking whether or not EMG's were used to measure it. Problem with exercise science studies like this is it cannot measure a lot of real-world factors and are often done on beginners over a 6-8 week period.
the real clowns are the ones that get caught up in debates of one over the other and start raging like a flaming homo about it. With that said I really like inverted rows. Probably one of the best kept secrets and underrated movements.
Also the key words in that instagram post is "if a choice needs to be made". So if you do BOTH rows and pull-ups, who is to say that ISN'T superior to just doing rows, or just doing pull-ups. The post doesn't address that at all.
People get too overly attached to a single movement either way and will defend it overzealously to the ends of the earth for no logical reason at all and just pull out definitive statements. That goes for rows or pullups.
Truth is in the grand scheme of things unless you are some IFBB pro bodybuilder that really needs to bring up his lats, that chit doesn't matter. What matters more is executing it properly, proper form, etc. Maybe a person has problems doing pullups bc of elbow tendonitis, or a person has problems executing or doing rows and don't really "feel" that connection after trying for awhile. Or something just as simple as liking to do pullups vs hating rows, you're probably going to see better development doing exercises you like vs ones you don't like bc you are going to push yourself harder with them and probably have better form.
Also peak activation doesn't necessarily mean better development, alot more factors goes into it. if we're talking whether or not EMG's were used to measure it. Problem with exercise science studies like this is it cannot measure a lot of real-world factors and are often done on beginners over a 6-8 week period.
the real clowns are the ones that get caught up in debates of one over the other and start raging like a flaming homo about it. With that said I really like inverted rows. Probably one of the best kept secrets and underrated movements.
Your whole post seems like a lot of cope for doing not the best things. I am a strong advocate against the idea that "theres many ways to do something" sure there are but there is ALWAYS a better way and if you want to write out 6 paragraphs like this to explain why you dont like searching for whats best, thats probably why you havnt been more successful in your own fitness ventures.
Dead serious.
The people I see not succeed the most are the people with your attitude on lifting.
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Originally Posted By IlChosenOne⏩
2 clowns arguing the leading expertI was going to let your comment slide, but not this time. The disrespect from little 170lbs fukkers and wheelspinners with extremely unimpressive physiques and keyboard warriors trying to knock people who actually have lifting experience and knowledge on this forum is out of control.
Yall want to disrespect one of the last knowledgeable lifters on here because you thinkg everying is about peds and drugs you can get royally fukked the whole lot of you.
Seriously misc is descending into **** faster and faster every day.
The amount of dumbass ****ty lifters who think they deserve to have a voice with people who actually take lifting seriously is disgusting.
shut your fukking mouth if you don't know what you are talking about.
I am seriously blown away that people think they can tell me how lifting and nutrition works FFS
Couldn’t have put it better myself
Yall want to disrespect one of the last knowledgeable lifters on here because you thinkg everying is about peds and drugs you can get royally fukked the whole lot of you.
Seriously misc is descending into **** faster and faster every day.
The amount of dumbass ****ty lifters who think they deserve to have a voice with people who actually take lifting seriously is disgusting.
shut your fukking mouth if you don't know what you are talking about.
I am seriously blown away that people think they can tell me how lifting and nutrition works FFS
Couldn’t have put it better myself
yall have a lot of ego
not wasting anymore time on copers like you two
stay small my boys, also i am quite aware you just went through my post history to copy and paste a post I made months ago. Shows how strong of an argument you have for being so childish.
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I have long monkey arms for my build and never feel barbell rows working my back then again ive never stuck with them long enough to row heavy weight for a good amount of reps because it just never felt like i could target my back that well with them.
Should i stick with them till ive reached an impressive amount of weight for reps or just drop them if they dont feel right?
Should i stick with them till ive reached an impressive amount of weight for reps or just drop them if they dont feel right?
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Originally Posted By AK1615⏩
no , end of the day its not personal preference, THE WHOLE POINT OF CHRIS;s POST IS LITERALLY SAYING IT IS NOT PERSONAL PREFERENCEBeen using pull ups for conditioning, grip strength, shoulder health and core work forever
Only time i feel my lats while doing pull ups is if I'm focusing on them (hollow hold), or if I'm pulling weighted at like 70-100%
Don't think anyone is doing pull ups for actual back growth. Calling it "less optimal" is dependent on the situation
Unless a person couldn't do one, then progressing to 10 would definitely add growth to the back along with the assistance muscles
End of the day, its personal preference
Wise pair once said,
"Do whatever the **** you wanna do"
Only time i feel my lats while doing pull ups is if I'm focusing on them (hollow hold), or if I'm pulling weighted at like 70-100%
Don't think anyone is doing pull ups for actual back growth. Calling it "less optimal" is dependent on the situation
Unless a person couldn't do one, then progressing to 10 would definitely add growth to the back along with the assistance muscles
End of the day, its personal preference
Wise pair once said,
"Do whatever the **** you wanna do"
man **** yall if yall want to be dumb mother ****ers and argue against people giving you advice you can just keep being ****ing idiots
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05-26-2022, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
-cope2 clowns arguing the leading expert
yall have a lot of ego
not wasting anymore time on copers like you two
stay small my boys, also i am quite aware you just went through my post history to copy and paste a post I made months ago. Shows how strong of an argument you have for being so childish.
yall have a lot of ego
not wasting anymore time on copers like you two
stay small my boys, also i am quite aware you just went through my post history to copy and paste a post I made months ago. Shows how strong of an argument you have for being so childish.
-the drugs only make a 10% difference
Pick two
And I didn’tjustdo that lol I think you deleted that thread actually
The moment you made that post it was pure copypasta potential lol
I guess to summarize, if I had to choose just one between pullups and rows I would choose pullups
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05-26-2022, 11:22 AM
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05-26-2022, 11:23 AM
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Okay so honest question then...personally I think those pulldown machines where the handles actually spread apart a bit (or some proper dual cable pull downs)( as you pull down are far superior to for hitting lats compared to standard pullups or pull downs where you are keeping your hands in a fixed position. You can really squeeze the fuk out of your lats if you do those properly.
What do you think about those vs rows for lat development?
What do you think about those vs rows for lat development?
05-26-2022, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
You're the only one arguing the pointno , end of the day its not personal preference, THE WHOLE POINT OF CHRIS;s POST IS LITERALLY SAYING IT IS NOT PERSONAL PREFERENCE
man **** yall if yall want to be dumb mother ****ers and argue against people giving you advice you can just keep being ****ing idiots
man **** yall if yall want to be dumb mother ****ers and argue against people giving you advice you can just keep being ****ing idiots
Gettin hella triggered
Here ya go
For lat growth, Rows are optimal, pulls ups semi optimal
For total back strength, pull ups and rows are optimal
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05-26-2022, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted By AK1615⏩
Is this thread titled FOR ALL OF BACK or for STRENGTH?You're the only one arguing the point
Gettin hella triggered
Here ya go
For lat growth, Rows are optimal, pulls ups semi optimal
For total back strength, pull ups and rows are optimal
Gettin hella triggered
Here ya go
For lat growth, Rows are optimal, pulls ups semi optimal
For total back strength, pull ups and rows are optimal
no, this is about lats and hypertrophy, so why did you even post something?
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Originally Posted By IlChosenOne⏩
you are honestly just making yourself look like an ignorant child now.-cope
-the drugs only make a 10% difference
Pick two
And I didn’tjustdo that lol I think you deleted that thread actually
The moment you made that post it was pure copypasta potential lol
I guess to summarize, if I had to choose just one between pullups and rows I would choose pullups
-the drugs only make a 10% difference
Pick two
And I didn’tjustdo that lol I think you deleted that thread actually
The moment you made that post it was pure copypasta potential lol
I guess to summarize, if I had to choose just one between pullups and rows I would choose pullups
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05-26-2022, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Okay so only 1 region of your lats is even going to be worked when you flare your elbows out. To correctly work lats, which Chris touches on a couple times in the post, you need to have your shoulders adducted and internally rotated, what this means in a less technical sense is that you arms need to be in front of you, not chicking winging out to your sides.Okay so honest question then...personally I think those pulldown machines where the handles actually spread apart a bit (or some proper dual cable pull downs)( as you pull down are far superior to for hitting lats compared to standard pullups or pull downs where you are keeping your hands in a fixed position. You can really squeeze the fuk out of your lats if you do those properly.
What do you think about those vs rows for lat development?
What do you think about those vs rows for lat development?
The function of the lats is to bring the humerus(upper arm) back to the midline of the body(torso sides) and to depress the scapula(push your shoulder blades down) so why is doing the opposite, holing your humerus out to the side and tucking your albow, working your lats?
Look at how lat fibers run, they run from your front to your back along the side, so the movement we want to be making with our upper arm is the same, we want it to be in front of us and/or slightly to the side. Lasts mostly do not run (when moving) up and down, they move forward and backward.
as you can see the only lat that is moving more biased in a VERTICAL direction is the pelvic, or lower lats. Like Chris said, the pelvic lats are worked on a pullover(also a lot of rows)
why would a vertical pull(keeping elbows out to the side aka pullup or wide grip pulldown with elbows going out) optimally contract lats that run horizontally?
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05-26-2022, 11:39 AM
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What’s with the new trend of instagram biomechanics experts like Paul Carter and this twink OP posted
All the washed up roidheads are now experts on mUsCLe FiBrE aLiGnMeNt and biasing
Newsflash, your back isn’t big cause you align the line of pull with your lat muscle fibres. It’s cause of the chit you inject in your glutes every other day lmao
Also none of these biomechanics experts gained their size training the way they preach now. They were just as big when they were training with chit form years ago
All the washed up roidheads are now experts on mUsCLe FiBrE aLiGnMeNt and biasing
Newsflash, your back isn’t big cause you align the line of pull with your lat muscle fibres. It’s cause of the chit you inject in your glutes every other day lmao
Also none of these biomechanics experts gained their size training the way they preach now. They were just as big when they were training with chit form years ago
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