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post 1662442813 06-06-2022, 03:53 PM
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CICO is for lazy people, Protein is for aesthetics

Look I am going to explain it very simply for you people


Weight loss isnt fat loss, period

Fat loss is altering the % of fat you have to the % of lean mass you have

lowering bodyfat the quickest and most noticeable means increasing/doing everything TO increase lean mass while doing everything to lose fat mass.

Guess what preserves and builds lean mass? PROTEIN

guess what loses fat? NOT EATING FAT AND EXCESS CARBS

guess what loses fat? FASTED CARDIO WITH FAT OXIDIZATION SUPPLEMENTS IN A LOW BLOOD GLUCOSE STATE LIKE YOHIMBINE AND ACETYL L CARNATINE

guess what loses fat? QUALITY AND SUFFIECIENT SLEEP THIS ALSO BUILDS LEAN TISSUE

guess what loses fat? NOT STRESSING , THIS ALSO BUILDS LEAN TISSUE

guess what loses fat? HAVING NORMAL HEALTHY HORMONE LEVELS YOU DO NOT NEED SUPRAPHYSIO LEVELS BLAMING PEDS ON FAT LOSS IS A LAZY INCEL BETA EXCUSE



GUESS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ONLY EAT PROTEIN ALL DAY AND EAT ENOUGH FATS FOR HEALTH? you dont lose muscle and you lose fat and you dont gain fat! Guess what happens if you eat more protein, you still dont gain fat!

But jestbrah, what if its 4000 calories of protein?

This has been STUDIED you STILL dont gain FAT.

protein gets broken down into amino acids which get used as energy or stored in the body for energy as muscle tissue(excess consumed calories get stored in the body, excess consumed protein gets STORED AS MUSCLE YOU FUKKING IDIOTS STOP ARGUING WITH ME FOR FUKS SAKE)
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post 1662442903 06-06-2022, 03:54 PM
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What happens if I just exclusively eat steak and protein shakes?

Been thinking about it lately, starting to hate cooking
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Originally Posted By GooBaaa⏩
What happens if I just exclusively eat steak and protein shakes?

Been thinking about it lately, starting to hate cooking
depends on the amount of fat in the steak. If it is enough to supply energy demands you could be happy and satiated.

But if you are not meeting energy demands in the body and blood sugar is low all the time you are going to be hungry.

PSMF still creates a lot of hunger. I am not saying its fun or easy but its how you look Aesthetic AF
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post 1662443063 06-06-2022, 03:58 PM
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But jestbrah, what if its 4001 calories of protein?
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
But jestbrah, what if its 4001 calories of protein?
I was going to let your comment slide, but not this time. The disrespect from little 170lbs fukkers and wheelspinners with extremely unimpressive physiques and keyboard warriors trying to knock people who actually have lifting experience and knowledge on this forum is out of control.

Yall want to disrespect one of the last knowledgeable lifters on here because you thinking everything is about peds and drugs you can get royally fukked the whole lot of you.

Seriously misc is descending into **** faster and faster every day.

The amount of dumbass ****ty lifters who think they deserve to have a voice with people who actually take lifting seriously is disgusting.

shut your fukking mouth if you don't know what you are talking about.

I am seriously blown away that people think they can tell Jestbrah how lifting and nutrition works FFS
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
I was going to let your comment slide, but not this time. The disrespect from little 170lbs fukkers and wheelspinners with extremely unimpressive physiques and keyboard warriors trying to knock people who actually have lifting experience and knowledge on this forum is out of control.

Yall want to disrespect one of the last knowledgeable lifters on here because you thinking everything is about peds and drugs you can get royally fukked the whole lot of you.

Seriously misc is descending into **** faster and faster every day.

The amount of dumbass ****ty lifters who think they deserve to have a voice with people who actually take lifting seriously is disgusting.

shut your fukking mouth if you don't know what you are talking about.

I am seriously blown away that people think they can tell Jestbrah how lifting and nutrition works FFS
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
depends on the amount of fat in the steak. If it is enough to supply energy demands you could be happy and satiated.

But if you are not meeting energy demands in the body and blood sugar is low all the time you are going to be hungry.

PSMF still creates a lot of hunger. I am not saying its fun or easy but its how you look Aesthetic AF
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not sure if a vitamin s supplement user can give advices to natties
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OP blows Paul Carter every morning


You’re not gonna lose muscle when in a calorie deficit even if your protein intake is low if you stick a needle in your ass every other day


Jk this is good advice
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Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
not sure if a vitamin s supplement user can give advices to natties
My advice to you


Don’t be natty, it’s boring and pointless
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Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
not sure if a vitamin s supplement user can give advices to natties
Fukkin lol how miscers always try and argue with Jestbrah. Vitamin S only adds 10% MAXIMUM.

whatever, yall keep staying half the size as Jestbrah and twice as fat. what does he know? obviously its better to keep telling him he's wrong when he tries to give yall advice
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
excess consumed calories get stored in the body, excess consumed protein gets STORED AS MUSCLE )
So I can just eat 10,000 calories of protein every day, not lift, and it'll get stored as muscle rather than fat?
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Originally Posted By MrCarrot⏩
So I can just eat 10,000 calories of protein every day, not lift, and it'll get stored as muscle rather than fat?
This is what happens if you eat 10,000 cals of protein every day

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Originally Posted By MrCarrot⏩
So I can just eat 10,000 calories of protein every day, not lift, and it'll get stored as muscle rather than fat?
smart ass response riddled with ignorance getting a worthy response


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Originally Posted By LargePeter⏩
Excess protein is stored as muscle

Just smash down 4000 calories of beef every day

OP has cracked the code

I've dropped 5kg of fat in 8 weeks taking in 1500cal a day from carbs but that's ok - they're the enemy
once again, cool story on weight loss, but lets see how much lean muscle tissue you grew and your ACTUAL body fat % not body fat # loss.

honestly just going to neg comments saying

"yeah but if you take test blah blah blah, im a lazy incel ******* who makes excuses and blames drugs for my laziness"

ded srs its stupid AF and a waste of a post and youre repeating the same stupid noobie to lifting comments people made 20 years ago

If you are going to constantly think "yeah but as a natty" you arent going to go far in this and you think about **** in a very stupid childish ignorant way and no one is going to respect you but other *******s
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so should i stop drinking gallons of beer
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
smart ass response riddled with ignorance getting a worthy response
So tell me, where do the excess calories from the protein go? Because you said the body stores them as muscle. But clearly eating more and more protein beyond a certain point, or eating protein and not lifting, is not going to result in more muscle. So where do the calories go if protein can't be stored as fat?
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Originally Posted By MrCarrot⏩
So I can just eat 10,000 calories of protein every day, not lift, and it'll get stored as muscle rather than fat?
The actual reason is that it's difficult to consume excess calories if your protein intake is super high since high protein meals are very filling. Consuming 10,000 calories of pure protein is virtually impossible.
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
The actual reason is that it's difficult to consume excess calories if your protein intake is super high. Consuming 10,000 calories of pure protein is virtually impossible.
But you could eat above your TDEE in protein quite easily if you felt so inclined. The idea that it's just going to magically transform into muscle because it's protein doesn't really make sense
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Originally Posted By MrCarrot⏩
So I can just eat 10,000 calories of protein every day, not lift, and it'll get stored as muscle rather than fat?
lol you'd get really full from 3000 calories worth of protein
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Originally Posted By MrCarrot⏩
But you could eat above your TDEE in protein quite easily if you felt so inclined. The idea that it's just going to magically transform into muscle because it's protein doesn't really make sense
no one ****ing said it was you are just being a smart ass and going to extremes to argue and you can go do that somewhere else.

I explained clearly the concept if you dont agree with it making smart ass black and white extreme comments like this isnt something im interested in entertaining.

Im not the guy to do this with.
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Originally Posted By MrCarrot⏩
But you could eat above your TDEE in protein quite easily if you felt so inclined. The idea that it's just going to magically transform into muscle because it's protein doesn't really make sense
No person can eat past above their TDEE just by eating lean proteins alone. I burn around 3500 daily, lets say i take 80 grams of fat to preserve healthy hormonal levels. Thats 720 calories, ive got 2780 to go.

You know how hard it would be to eat 2780 calories worth of chicken breast, tuna and egg whites?

Your body can only digest so much protein, and it cant convert it to fat or glycogen easily, its a hell of an stress to your body, so naturally, its incredibly fukin hard to overeat on protein alone because you will feel sick as fuk for two days, incredibly full, etc until your metabolism digests it.

Overeating in carbs or fats is another story because your body can make use of the excess of those two macros 10x easier than it would deal with excess of protein.
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Originally Posted By MrCarrot⏩
But you could eat above your TDEE in protein quite easily if you felt so inclined. The idea that it's just going to magically transform into muscle because it's protein doesn't really make sense
I don't think it would be easy. Based on my TDEE I would have to be consuming 600+ grams of protein a day to be in a surplus which would be hard af.
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
I don't think it would be easy. Based on my TDEE I would have to be consuming 600+ grams of protein a day to be in a surplus which would be hard af.
I'm not saying it would be easy. I'm saying if you consume enough of it (no matter how "difficult") you'll still get fat, and still not build any more muscle. If the concept is "eat lots of protein and you won't feel like eating as much carbs and fat" that still doesn't disprove CICO
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Originally Posted By MrCarrot⏩
I'm not saying it would be easy. I'm saying if you consume enough of it (no matter how "difficult") you'll still get fat, and still not build any more muscle. If the concept is "eat lots of protein and you won't feel like eating as much carbs and fat" that still doesn't disprove CICO
But how do you know this tho?

Show me a GOOD study with a respectable sample size of people overeating on protein alone while keeping carbs and fat to minimum? I really doubt you could find many people that would be physically able to eat that much lean protein for a long period of time enough for it to even be considered a decent study.
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Originally Posted By MrCarrot⏩
So tell me, where do the excess calories from the protein go? Because you said the body stores them as muscle. But clearly eating more and more protein beyond a certain point, or eating protein and not lifting, is not going to result in more muscle. So where do the calories go if protein can't be stored as fat?
there was a study where some fat doctor like 20 years ago tested on himself a diet of mostly meat and eggs. and he said he ate upwards of 10k cals a day for like a month,and lost inches.he said the body would raise body temp and other things to burn off the excess calories.

he also said he tried it the other way too and ate mostly bread and pasta etc over the same period, and gained inches

so lol at CICO
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Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
there was a study where some fat doctor like 20 years ago tested on himself a diet of mostly meat and eggs. and he said he ate upwards of 10k cals a day for like a month,and lost inches.he said the body would raise body temp and other things to burn off the excess calories.

he also said he tried it the other way too and ate mostly bread and pasta etc over the same period, and gained inches

so lol at CICO
Sounds legit. 10k of meat and eggs is going to have a shed load of fat. Lol if you think you won't get fat doing that.
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Originally Posted By MrCarrot⏩
I'm not saying it would be easy. I'm saying if you consume enough of it (no matter how "difficult") you'll still get fat, and still not build any more muscle. If the concept is "eat lots of protein and you won't feel like eating as much carbs and fat" that still doesn't disprove CICO
cico is for weight

show me 1 instance where cico is for fat loss

it isnt

its for WEIGHT loss

weight isnt fat

so if you want to control FAT loss you need to control MACROS and energy expenditure.

Protein will not convert to fat, that is not how nutrition and physiology works. If you eat all of your daily energy balance in protein, say 2300 calories, then you eat 100g carbs but dont burn any of it and that 100g carbs goes above your energy needs and your glycogen is full it will just be stores as fat or metabolized to glucose and used as energy and the glycogen in your muscle is maintained and not burned for energy.

So the issue there wouldnt be the protein consumes it is that you were NOT glycogen depleted to the point you needed that many carbs. Or your metabolism has become so effecient with carbs that it only needs a small amount and excess will be stores as bodyfat to be used later. BUT protein is still NOT CONVERTING TO BODY FAT
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^^ Uhhh...I thought excess Protein can be converted to glucose too via gluconeogenesis. I have no clue how efficiently that is supposed to happen though.
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Acetyl-L-Carnitine does not increase fat oxidation. For every study showing a benefit for fat loss there is one showing no effect. It is one of the most inconsistent supplements.

It does have some nice benefits such as increased androgen receptor activity and mental focus. Even sperm quality.
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