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06-17-2022, 05:09 PM
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Would you buy a manual electric car?
Toyota is apparently planning on building electric cars with a manual transmission and clutch.
Electric vehicles are coming en masse — even from manufacturers like Toyota, who have been skeptical about the widespread adoption of the technology. And most expect the EV conversion will kill off the manual transmission. There's no point in rowing your own gears in an EV because electric motors don't need gears — at least, in the traditional sense. But it appears manufacturers are at least making plans to save the stick shift if needed.
First, we learned that Ford has patented an electric clutch. And now, a user at BZForums uncovered not one but eight Toyota patents detailing a manual transmission for an electric vehicle.
The system would calculate motor torque based on inputs from a "pseudo clutch pedal" and "pseudo gearshift" to mimic a manual transmission in an internal combustion car. The system would also have a normal EV drive mode — so buyers don't have to pseudo-start on a hill.
It's a bit surprising Toyota would be the brand looking at this. Toyota currently offers a manual in the GR86, Tacoma and Corolla. The Supra is getting one , and the upcoming hot hatch should have one. But there isn't really a case like the 911 for Porsche or Mustang for Ford where the manual is vital to the car's appeal.
Will we see a manual transmission in an electric car? Possibly. But to be honest, I'm not sure whether buyers will want that. The stick shift's appeal is the simplicity and natural driving feel, which a simulation doesn't provide. The manual has already been in a death spiral because automatics have become so good, and buyers don't want to hassle with it. Yes, EVs won't provide the same driving experience as a combustion car. But in my experience, electric cars like the new Kia EV6 are fun to drive in their own way.
We may see the manual transmission survive — people still ride horses for fun — but it may be more of an enthusiast thing. And having, say, synthetic fuel to run your classic 911 cleanly may be more popular than trying to superimpose the manual on an EV that doesn't need it.
https://www.gearpatrol.com/cars/a390...electric-cars/First, we learned that Ford has patented an electric clutch. And now, a user at BZForums uncovered not one but eight Toyota patents detailing a manual transmission for an electric vehicle.
The system would calculate motor torque based on inputs from a "pseudo clutch pedal" and "pseudo gearshift" to mimic a manual transmission in an internal combustion car. The system would also have a normal EV drive mode — so buyers don't have to pseudo-start on a hill.
It's a bit surprising Toyota would be the brand looking at this. Toyota currently offers a manual in the GR86, Tacoma and Corolla. The Supra is getting one , and the upcoming hot hatch should have one. But there isn't really a case like the 911 for Porsche or Mustang for Ford where the manual is vital to the car's appeal.
Will we see a manual transmission in an electric car? Possibly. But to be honest, I'm not sure whether buyers will want that. The stick shift's appeal is the simplicity and natural driving feel, which a simulation doesn't provide. The manual has already been in a death spiral because automatics have become so good, and buyers don't want to hassle with it. Yes, EVs won't provide the same driving experience as a combustion car. But in my experience, electric cars like the new Kia EV6 are fun to drive in their own way.
We may see the manual transmission survive — people still ride horses for fun — but it may be more of an enthusiast thing. And having, say, synthetic fuel to run your classic 911 cleanly may be more popular than trying to superimpose the manual on an EV that doesn't need it.
06-17-2022, 05:15 PM
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I can't wait to use a pseudo clutch pedal, pseudo gear stick and have pseudo noise played through the speakers all as a gimmick. Add that to chitty vague steering, terminal understeer and over assisted brakes and you have the perfect modern driving experience for Karen, her cuck husband and zoomers.
With money being worth less and less I'm tempted to blow irresponsible cash on a final fun car despite the fuel cost just because I might just never have the chance again.
With money being worth less and less I'm tempted to blow irresponsible cash on a final fun car despite the fuel cost just because I might just never have the chance again.
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06-17-2022, 05:17 PM
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06-17-2022, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted By zknarc⏩
it's probably still more fun than a regular electricI can't wait to use a pseudo clutch pedal, pseudo gear stick and have pseudo noise played through the speakers all as a gimmick. Add that to chitty vague steering, terminal understeer and over assisted brakes and you have the perfect modern driving experience for Karen, her cuck husband and zoomers.
With money being worth less and less I'm tempted to blow irresponsible cash on a final fun car despite the fuel cost just because I might just never have the chance again.
With money being worth less and less I'm tempted to blow irresponsible cash on a final fun car despite the fuel cost just because I might just never have the chance again.
06-17-2022, 05:29 PM
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06-17-2022, 05:34 PM
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wut. is it just a lever that makes clicking sounds but doesnt actually do anything?
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06-17-2022, 05:42 PM
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06-17-2022, 05:44 PM
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06-17-2022, 09:37 PM
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fuk EVs srs
06-17-2022, 09:42 PM
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How would that even work? I’m trying to picture it.
A simulated manual transmission on a car that doesn’t even have a transmission sounds lame. Ever drive in “manual mode” on an automatic? Probably would be like that but worse.
A simulated manual transmission on a car that doesn’t even have a transmission sounds lame. Ever drive in “manual mode” on an automatic? Probably would be like that but worse.
06-17-2022, 09:57 PM
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Grew up on a stick but I’m too fking old now , so I’d stick with auto . Maybe a jeep though
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06-18-2022, 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted By GuineaDago585⏩
Electric cars actually do have transmissions. Tesla uses a single gear transmission but Porsche Taycan has a two speed transmission with the gearing serving basically the same purpose it does for ICE engines, optimizing performance vs efficiency/range. First gear optimized for acceleration and engaged with a sport mode button or flooring the accelerator pedal. Second is the standard gear optimized for efficient power usage and heat management. This is why the Taycan top performance is safe, reliable and repeatable as required for sustained track performance.How would that even work? I’m trying to picture it.
A simulated manual transmission on a car that doesn’t even have a transmission sounds lame. Ever drive in “manual mode” on an automatic? Probably would be like that but worse.
A simulated manual transmission on a car that doesn’t even have a transmission sounds lame. Ever drive in “manual mode” on an automatic? Probably would be like that but worse.
These patents are likely describing the mechanism for implementing selectable drive modes like ICE cars and trucks have today. "Normal", "Sport", "Sport Plus", "Eco", etc.
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