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post 1663625533 06-29-2022, 10:08 AM
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Why do "business" roles holders at companies succeed so much quicker than the brains?

I understand "revenue-generation". I understand that life is gay and autismo introverts need to learn people skills if they want to advance.

But it is has been my observation from 2 industries and friends in others that those people who are in these higher visibility roles always have a higher chance to climb the ladder have better everything.

Take tech for example - software engineer vs product manager. Brb the latter has no hardcode looking into logs for errors, super hard technical stuff etc. Yet PMs get paid similarly and advance a tad bit better. And this is in Google where the engineering culture is the greatest.


The Google CEO did this -> some ****ty hardware engineering job -> McKinsey Strategy Consulting -> Product Manager of Android -> more products under his wing and then CEO

He is obviously smart and made some decisions (especially on the products he took) but I guess the products and advantage of Google and such companies lies in the engineering aspect mostly.


I guess a good explanation is the fact that the smart double PhD in Maths Chang simply hates the "business stuff" (even though he would easily understand it) and is satisfied with the technical engineering pay ceiling (which is still a **** you amount of money). And they prefer to spend the extra hours publishing papers under Stanford or UCLA as a part-time Research Assistant.
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post 1663627883 06-29-2022, 10:52 AM
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It's the strategy pipeline, from what I've seen. Technical roles, even those that move into lead and management functions too often lack strategy until you move into more of a product focus. Business roles tend to always have a strategic lens.
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post 1663628033 06-29-2022, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
It's the strategy pipeline, from what I've seen. Technical roles, even those that move into lead and management functions too often lack strategy until you move into more of a product focus. Business roles tend to always have a strategic lens.
brb I just finished my english literature BA let me become a product manager to strategise you babe

srsly, I get certain aspects of it but you can't sell **** software/product
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
brb I just finished my english literature BA let me become a product manager to strategise you babe

srsly, I get certain aspects of it but you can't sell **** software/product
LOL you don't want to know what my undergrad is in

And you're right. That's why I think the best CPOs aren't always technical, they usually come from an ops or strategy background. And honestly, I've yet to work at a company that felt like all functions were aligned. Maybe the shop I'm at now but more will be revealed, I suppose.
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When I was 17 my career goal was to work as a high-level Director/GM/VP in manufacturing. I go an engineering degree with concentration in manufacturing and I changed jobs every 3-5 years. Every job change I went in a completely different direction so I could acquire as much diversity as possible in my knowledge base. It also helps that I am verbally articulate, moderately attractive, and I present myself well. Things worked out very well.

Doesn't matter how big your brain is, if your focus is on engineering and advancement in whatever thing it is you're working on, that's what you're going to be doing.
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post 1663629013 06-29-2022, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
LOL you don't want to know what my undergrad is in

And you're right. That's why I think the best CPOs aren't always technical, they usually come from an ops or strategy background. And honestly, I've yet to work at a company that felt like all functions were aligned. Maybe the shop I'm at now but more will be revealed, I suppose.
That choice of undergrad title + the fact that you had to do an MBA to make it palatable to employers is something that my good memory took a note of, and yes I plugged it in accordingly.

Doesn't mean someone cant be smart and provide value of course but I think you get what I mean.

Means ****all without a proper software engineering aspect to get a product going and say what is possible and not for this to not become a dreamer LinkedInLunatic scenario.
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The simple reality is that most STEM guys lack social skills. You can be the smartest, most capable guy in the company, but if your social skills are bad then you'll eventually hit a glass ceiling.

Here's one of Kevin Samuels' finest videos regarding this topic. He brings up the comparison of Nikola Tesla vs Thomas Edison. Tesla was a genius, but he died poor. Edison wasn't a genius, he just had good people skills, and he died rich as f/ck....

For autistic STEM guys, you either learn social skills or move to a different company if you want to earn more.

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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
That choice of undergrad title + the fact that you had to do an MBA to make it palatable to employers is something that my good memory took a note of, and yes I plugged it in accordingly.

Doesn't mean someone cant be smart and provide value of course but I think you get what I mean.

Means ****all without a proper software engineering aspect to get a product going and say what is possible and not for this to not become a dreamer LinkedInLunatic scenario.
Oh, I do.

I'll also just name that where I'm at now specifically commented on my ability to build relationships quickly, and that was mentioned in reference to where I'm geographically located. I didn't take "folksy midwesterner" to heart too muchI don't think that can be overlooked. Just generally being normal, friendly, showing up, etc. It is bizarre how difficult that is to find in people.
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