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Thread: Is there really such a thing as a natty limit?

post 1664056133 07-07-2022, 05:09 PM
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Is there really such a thing as a natty limit?

To an extent, a physique that's only obtainable with gear for one person may be totally natty attainable for another. Is it really possible to define a clear threshold between what's attainable natty and what isn't? There must be some 6'3 230 ripped freak out there who's confused why everyone keeps accusing him of gear.
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post 1664056293 07-07-2022, 05:13 PM
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Yea, max fat free mass index for natties is 25, over 25 requires gear
post 1664056333 07-07-2022, 05:14 PM
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the threshold is determined by your testosterone levels, of course you can define it.


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post 1664056803 07-07-2022, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Kabamaro⏩
Yea, max fat free mass index for natties is 25, over 25 requires gear
FFMI is overrated. This article goes into detail about why it's not such the perfect tool people think it ishttp://gregnuckols.com/2016/12/11/ffmi/
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post 1664056953 07-07-2022, 05:28 PM
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I think strength threshold for non juicers is higher than people think, as far as aesthetics I have no idea where that threshold lies.
post 1664057253 07-07-2022, 05:37 PM
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You're talking about genetic differences and people with good genetics.


Yes, there is a genetic limit. Which is why every single IFBB pro BBer is on anabolics.
post 1664057323 07-07-2022, 05:39 PM
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With adequate duck egg consumption, the sky is the limit.
post 1664057793 07-07-2022, 05:50 PM
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I mean even someone with 9.9999% genetics won’t be that far off the 9.999999999999999999999999999999999999er%

So it’s not to hard to see where the reasonable limit for some things would be
post 1664057883 07-07-2022, 05:52 PM
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post 1664057923 07-07-2022, 05:53 PM
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A lot of people claim they hit natty limit but they haven’t
post 1664058243 07-07-2022, 06:01 PM
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Natty limit is just an excuse for people not to work hard. I’m still making gains after 15 years of lifting
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i started at 150lbs 6' 12% bodyfat, in 2 years i was 6' 185lb 12% bf. I'll maintain this with consistent training as long as i eat enough and don't drink. Being on the sauce allows me to sit around 210 10-11% bf, unsure what it would take to maintain this natty but don't really care.
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post 1664058823 07-07-2022, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Ryan gosling isn't close to the natty limit boyo
“Steroids is now just a word that the lazy and ignorant use to describe any guy that has more muscle and dedication than them”– Mike O'Hearn


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post 1664059743 07-07-2022, 06:42 PM
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i'm the limit
post 1664059883 07-07-2022, 06:45 PM
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The limit varies a little for individuals for sure, but an FFMI over 25 is a pretty clear indication of gear for 99.99% of the population.
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Yes, there is a natural limit, your genetics and natural test levels determine that.
Originally Posted By AWSbruh⏩
Natty limit is just an excuse for people not to work hard. I’m still making gains after 15 years of lifting
Quit lion. You're an idiot.
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Originally Posted By AWSbruh⏩
Natty limit is just an excuse for people not to work hard. I’m still making gains after 15 years of lifting
You'll never get as jacked/aesthetic naturally as enhanced. Ever. There is a massive genetic difference as well. Some individuals are just born lucky. Tall. Fast metabolism. High testosterone. Good bone structure. The ability to easily put on/maintain muscle. Etc. The idea that going enhanced means a person is lazy, cheating, etc. is a bit of a misnomer.



I'm 35 years old. I've been training close to 16 years now (Mostly natty then went enhanced). I've never been able to break 200lbs body weight. Although I most likely will at some point in the future. Its not as simple as just eating more. I simply can't digest/metabolise the amount of food I need to in order to put on that mass. Just doesn't work for me. I could probably 'dirty bulk' but then I'd just get fat, which defeats the purpose.



I'm currently sitting at 192lbs enhanced. If I'd be natural and lean I'd most likely be around 150lbs. Obviously, I'll never be taller then 5'8. Its simply something I can't change. But I can change whether I walk around at 150lbs lean or 190lbs lean.
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post 1664137673 07-09-2022, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
With adequate duck egg consumption, the sky is the limit.
There's no such thing as too many duck eggs.
“Steroids is now just a word that the lazy and ignorant use to describe any guy that has more muscle and dedication than them”– Mike O'Hearn


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Find Dr. Casey Butt's maximum natural calculations.

Maximum Muscular Measurements
(at approx. 10% body fat)
chest = 1.625W + 1.3682A + 0.3562H
biceps = 1.1709W + 0.1350H
forearms = 0.950W + 0.1041H
neck = 1.1875W + 0.1301H
thighs = 1.4737A + 0.1918H
calves = 0.9812A + 0.1250H

where,
W = Wrist circumference measured on the hand side of the styloid process.
(The styloid process is the bony lump on the outside of your wrist.)
A = Ankle circumference at the smallest point
H = Height in inches

Measurement Procedure:
chest - measured relaxed (not flexed or expanded), arms at sides, tape under armpits
biceps - flexed, at largest point
forearms - fist clenched, hand out straight, measured at largest point
neck - below Adam's apple at smallest point
thighs - standing relaxed, midway between hip and knee
calves - standing relaxed, at largest point
* For all measurements tape should be snug but not compressing the flesh.


For the average trainee of 5'10" tall with 7.25" wrists and 9.25" ankles the equations yield:

chest = 1.625 x 7.25 + 1.3682 x 9.25 + 0.3562 x 70 = 49.4"
biceps = 1.1709 x 7.25 + 0.1350 x 70 = 17.9"
forearms = 0.950 x 7.25 + 0.1041 x 70 = 14.2"
neck = 1.1875 x 7.25 + 0.1301 x 70 = 17.7"
thighs = 1.4737 x 9.0 + 0.1918 x 70 = 27.1"
calves = 0.9812 x 9.0 + 0.1250 x 70 = 17.6"
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