https://thenutrastop.com/products/hi...BoCAu8QAvD_BwE

This is the stuff I'm specifically asking about. I think they call it a "Prohormone", and has been around for a long time....

Really, I just want something to decrease my bodyfat and give me lean muscle, and this seems like something that can do it in 6 weeks. Does the muscle stay on after? Or do you eventually go back to how it was before, even if you keep lifting heavy?

Stop being a pussy and use the real thing

I don't even know where to get the real thing, but this seems good enough. I'm not looking to get super roided out.

prohormones are steroids once they are metabolized by your body


just use real test man

ph's will shut you down just as hard and give you the same side effects

My doc wouldn't prescribe me any, so I'm trying to find other ways to get there.

who was black market?

First study I looked into.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10683057/

Mean (SE) changes in the area under the curve (AUC) for serum testosterone concentrations were -2% (7%), -4% (4%), and 34% (14%) in the groups receiving 0, 100, and 300 mg/d of androstenedione, respectively. When compared with the control group, the change in testosterone AUC was significant for the 300-mg/d group (P<.001) but not for the 100-mg/d group (P = .48). Baseline testosterone levels, drawn 24 hours after androstenedione administration, did not change. Mean (SE) changes in the AUC for serum estradiol concentrations were 4% (6%), 42% (12%), and 128% (24%) in the groups receiving 0, 100, and 300 mg/d of androstenedione, respectively. When compared with the control group, the change in the estradiol AUC was significant for both the 300-mg/d (P<.001) and 100-mg/d (P = .002) groups. There was marked variability in individual responses for all measured sex steroids.



So basically it may marginally increase test for a very short amount of time(completely gone after 24 hours), and substantially increases estrogen. And that’s at 3x the dose given in the supplement you linked to.



No, it won’t help with your goals at all and actually might hurt.

1-T, 1-andro, and 4-andro will work, but you need PCT.

And always expect sides.

1-AD? What is this 2002?

Pretty sure 1-AD got banned back in like 2004/2005. It might be a derivative of it, but from what I’ve read is that it’s not the same. Lots of miscers used to take it back in 2002/2003.

This. I had to check the thread dates after reading through this. Thought it was a necro thread that was bumped.

All you need is lift heavy take a multi, and gallon of milk a day

Everything that works has sides. Do your homework.

If I'm looking for a supplement to help me build like 10 pounds of lean muscle while still lowering bodyfat, what would you recommend from experience?

Feels like I'm back in high school ITT

"hey bro I'm taking pheraplex but my friend is gonna get me some superdrol so I can get big like 20lbs of muscles"

"nah bro you gotta get that m1t if you wanna get the good ****"

"I'm taking t-bomb for pct"

Not a PH, but remember when Jack3d was running around people started getting heart issues?


OP, if you get on a PH you better be giving up alcohol for a long while. I’m not sure why you’re even bothering with prohormones and 20 year old knock offs. Just go to a mens clinic and get the real stuff legally.

They'll shut you down and give you .1% of the gains of the real sh!t. (Ded fkn Srs)

Ok, I'll probably just go this route. Are there any recommendations of a place to go to? Just some type of mens hormone doctor?

Yea dude.

I literally got prescribed Test-C and haven't felt this great since I was a teenager. It might be a little more expensive, but it's probably the healthiest route. They will blood test you and mitigate any sides, while giving you only a dosage to put you at optimal levels. So if you have sh!t genetics and no discipline, you'll still look like sh!t. (Super Ded fkn Srs)

Will they give you Test even if yours isn't very low? I had 570 last year when tested, and my PCP told me she wouldn't write it for me because I was not low. But I'd still like to be like 750.

Send a carrier pigeon to my prime minister if you want some references

now delet this before you get us all ****canned

1 Andro is ok, you need to take 3 pills a day to see any results and expect really intense lethargy with 1 Andro, it's brutal.
Also expensive, can get 3 months of test injections for the price of a bottle.