After making a thread here a few months back on learning to code I have been consistently putting in like 2 hours a day on the odin project course.. Almost done with the foundations which is HTML+CSS + vanilla JS.. I feel pretty comfortable with the basics.. Did a few mini projects and feel like i'm just starting to get the hang of connecting the html css elements with javascript using event listeners and manipulating those elements accordingly..

I need one or two more days to finish the foundation then it gives me a choice to continue with Ruby or JS (i assume other frameworks) but i'm 99% gonna go with JS...

My question is, is it too early to start freelancing on upwork or fiverr? I don't give a fuk about the money now, I just want real life problems so I can be comfortable with problem solving, most common advice I hear is to not get stuck in tutorial hell and work on real problems..

For example, I just saw this posted... I've already done a bunch of mini websites and the odin landing page project.. A lot of these jobs posted I think I could do with the help of google and youtube as well.. But my question is, how to get comfortable with coding so that in like a year or two I can get a good remote job that will allow me live the degenerate lifestyle I've always wanted..
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Great advice brahs thanks.. repped everyone who posted

JS+node

Ruby is very niche

100 for a website is a joke. Just the discovery session is more than that. The amount of back and forth is nuts unless it’s a single page

If you want to do front end JavaScript and maybe a JS framework like React or Angular is the next step. You can upskill your CSS by bringing in a framework like SASS too.

Agree with the brah above me that $100 is an insult. I charge $50/hour for freelance stuff and even that I've cut back on just because I'd rather relax.

I do data work so I'm all SQL/Python/AWS at this point, but I started with HTML/CSS too and it's a good entry point. Keep it up bruh.

If you don’t care about money I would focus on building a site for yourself to help your personal portfolio.

Domain names are cheap and it’s easy to setup a basic web server using things like AWS which has a free tier.

Can do like an online resume or just build a site you would find interesting like a misc clone or something.

I would much rather put in work to build myself up then be insulted by $100 offer to build a site for someone’s business. If they wanted to be that cheap, they could use something like Wix.

How you finding work brah?

I've been a professional developer for 13 years now, and always thought about doing side work. I have experience in just about everything: app development(.NET, WPF, UWP), website(front and backend, React, Blazor, TypeScript, JavaScript), cloud development(APIs, containerization), SQL, game development, python, really could keep going for a while.

Haven't found a reliable site for work with sane customers. Most are like OP's "$100 for 60 hours of work".

A former employer and a couple people they referred me to, so all face-to-face opportunity. wish I could be more help brah.

Programming is about being able to write a program even in a made up language.

While i keep downloading items from a server every second:
—Set variable foundNewItem to NO
—Go through each item and for eeach item do:
— —If the item id is not found in map of current items add it to the map and set foundNewItem variable to YES
— —If not continue to next item:

(In parallel)if i detect that variable foundNewItem is YES:
—[Update] my list of items in the webpage
—Set variable foundNewItem to NO


^ that is programming. Knowing keywords in javascript and html doesn’t mean you know how to program and you definetly are not able or ready to do anything worthwhile after a couple of months.

What you wanna do know is read books, do more projects on your own. Challenge yourself to fail so you learn by debugging and encountering new programming concepts.

Why not just get a job where u get paid 8 - 10k a month gross

Thanks m8 on spread.. Ya I'm really leaning towards React after but still not sure..

I get your point, and it's not that I don't care about the money.. I just want to build the skills needed to make more money in this field.. Also I already have a good, well paying job (but I'm not that happy) and good amount of savings, so I'm in a good position to learn at my own pace and do projects like this.. But that's why I'm making this thread, I just want to know the most efficient way to get to that goal.. Thanks for the advice..Ya this is also a common theme I keep reading.. The language and syntax doesn't matter, it's the logic and building answers to problems that does, and once you're a pro at it at one language you can easily transfer those concepts to other languages.. Something like that right?
Also took a chapter on pseudo coding which is something like the "program" you wrote above.. Cool chit brah thanks..

I have some advice as a misc bootcamp brah who made it (learned programming in a year, hired at tech unicorn startup, big bucks, fully remote, chilling for a few years now). I really think the go at your own pace and freelance building landing pages on fiverr is not the call. You'll be moving at like 2mph. You drastically underestimate how fast you are actually capable of learning, the value of a community, and you don't know what to learn.

If you don't wanna go the bootcamp route or you aren't ready to commit the time/money, at least get started with some coursera/udemy/educative/scrimba/etc. People talk about 'tutorial hell' as if you should skip over it. It's vital to spend time with tutorials, like yea if you do them like a retard then they aren't great, but if you internalize the info, they're massively timesaving. Anyways if you were a guy who doesn't need college or a bootcamp, you wouldn't be asking us questions. Those guys are incredibly rare, almost nobody ever achieves anything on their own. So find a community.



As for technical advice - html/css/vanilla javascript should be fast, time to move on to frameworks and then double back on programming basics when you have some more context.
- Learn to use basic react, what is state? What is rendering? Build some basic projects that include a bit of logic - tic tac toe, snake, memory game
- Learn to fetch from an API, what is fetch? What is JSON? How about axios? Build projects - display spotify/youtube/basketball stats and charts, maybe some image cards
- Servers, learn node.js, use express.js, what is a backend? What is the request/response cycle? Build an echo server or a word game
- Databases, postgres, what is SQL? data modeling? What's a query? Build a basic blog, instagram clone, twitter clone
- Double back to the fundamentals - data structures and algorithms, check out leetcode, do only easy problems for a while, look up the answers if you don't get it in 15 mins. Get ready to grind, this is how you show companies that you can be a bigbrain programmer with potential.

That's your basic super condensed bootcamp curriculum (which is already super condensed). Of course then there's the problem of getting a job and how to present yourself as someone who can contribute to a business. Let the bag motivate you man, I've seen some crazy stories in the break into tech world. The opportunity is wild, companies are desperate.

Thanks breh, your post is super motivational

I am doing a bootcamp, it's just an online one and free but supposedly it's one of the best in the web if followed correctly (which I think I am)

This is the syllabus for the foundations part.. I'm at the end projects now
https://www.theodinproject.com/paths...es/foundations

and then it goes to this...
https://www.theodinproject.com/paths...ack-javascript

After a quick read of the syllabus it looks like it covers most of your list..

and yeah man, I use tutorials like you described.

Usually my process is before I start a new chapter on the bootcamp I quickly read it, get the main idea, then I watch one of those long youtube videos on the subject with examples and follow along taking quick notes, then when I get the key concepts I go back to the bootcamp and write structured detailed notes. Then finally do a bunch of exercises without help online, comment the process on my IDE and organize my files in a way that I can quickly come back to anything if I forget something..

Take the $100 job. The point is that you are learning a real world project. Getting $100 is also great.

Is it possible to get sidework at a rate like that when you first start out ?

I want to be self employed eventually but I haven’t switched industries yet atm

if you have to ask you most likely still suck. Keep building projects for practice

That's good, I actually also started with some odin project lessons back in the day. It's a good start but that alone probably won't get you to 100k+ for the first gig.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can and should be pushing harder. You're competing with people who are spending 8-12+ hours a day smashing their head against code with all kinds of external advantages. Prestigious colleges, bootcamps, nepotism, whatever. And the initial monetary investment it takes to gain those advantages (paid tutorials, bootcamps, subscriptions, new computer) is worth it to get you earning real money. You actually learn how to be useful on the job, everything else is getting you in the door.

For some inspiration of what you can do, check out Haseeb Qureshi's writing. Reading about his journey really put me on my rocket ship.
https://haseebq.com/tech-careers/

lrn2code they said

Expert website build is worth 100 bucks

Lmao

Unlikely and you sure as heck aren't getting them knowing just HTML and CSS.

The majority of what I'm doing is pulling reporting into interactive dashboards built in Python/Pandas/Plotly and some site optimization work.

What languages are you learning?

@OP there's something to be said for taking an entry level role, even if it means a short term pay cut. My skills went thru the roof when I started coding 8 hours a day PLUS studying on the side vs carving out a few minutes to learn when I could.

Either approach works, just a matter of how badly you want the change and how fast.