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Moderna's CEO admits only the vulnerable need COVID booster and likens virus to flu
Not everyone needs to get an annual Covid booster, the head of pharma giant Moderna has admitted.
The company's CEO Stéphane Bancel said his shots are mainly targeted at over-50s and people with underlying health conditions.
His comments seem to be at odds with the Centers for Disease Prevention and Control (CDC) which is urging everyone over the age of five to get boosted.
The virus is now predominantly only killing the most vulnerable because the US has built up strong immunity through high infection rates and repeated vaccine rollouts.
Mr Bancel told a finance conference on Monday: 'I think it's going to be like the flu. If you're a 25-year-old, do you need an annual booster every year if you're healthy?
‘You might want to... but I think it's going to be similar to flu where it's going to be people at high-risk, people above 50 years of age, people with comorbidities, people with cancer and other conditions, people with transplants.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ster-shot.htmlThe company's CEO Stéphane Bancel said his shots are mainly targeted at over-50s and people with underlying health conditions.
His comments seem to be at odds with the Centers for Disease Prevention and Control (CDC) which is urging everyone over the age of five to get boosted.
The virus is now predominantly only killing the most vulnerable because the US has built up strong immunity through high infection rates and repeated vaccine rollouts.
Mr Bancel told a finance conference on Monday: 'I think it's going to be like the flu. If you're a 25-year-old, do you need an annual booster every year if you're healthy?
‘You might want to... but I think it's going to be similar to flu where it's going to be people at high-risk, people above 50 years of age, people with comorbidities, people with cancer and other conditions, people with transplants.’
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This message is exactly all I have been saying now since probably mid-2020. I'm not one of these magnets/doom/everyone-dead anti-vaccine guys, but I have adamantly insisted that based on what we've known for some time -- Not everyone needs or even should get vaccinated.
For that, the usual pro-covid lunatics have lambasted me repeatedly.
Pisspants, I'm singling you out -- you have been wrong throughout this, you are wrong now and if you had an ounce of integrity you would apologize to everyone for your constantly misrepresenting other's stances and then acknowledge that all along people who felt as I did were correct and you were played for a fool.
All the fuktards who screeched about not trusting scientists and how awful our critical thinking was - No, we were right. You are always right to stop and think for yourself.
Anyone can look at the people who died WITH covid. It's elderly and sickly people, people who will or would have died anyway or would have had a high percentage of it. That alone tells me who needs to consider the vaccine and those who do not need to worry about it.
Those who died WITH covid: Average age 78, 80% obese, 2.8 comorbidities on average. The vaccine does not keep you from getting covid and the vaccine will not keep you from infecting others. These are indisputable facts and that tells all I need to know about it.
I do not need a bunch of paid off scientists interpreting that raw data for me and neither does anyone else.
For that, the usual pro-covid lunatics have lambasted me repeatedly.
Pisspants, I'm singling you out -- you have been wrong throughout this, you are wrong now and if you had an ounce of integrity you would apologize to everyone for your constantly misrepresenting other's stances and then acknowledge that all along people who felt as I did were correct and you were played for a fool.
All the fuktards who screeched about not trusting scientists and how awful our critical thinking was - No, we were right. You are always right to stop and think for yourself.
Anyone can look at the people who died WITH covid. It's elderly and sickly people, people who will or would have died anyway or would have had a high percentage of it. That alone tells me who needs to consider the vaccine and those who do not need to worry about it.
Those who died WITH covid: Average age 78, 80% obese, 2.8 comorbidities on average. The vaccine does not keep you from getting covid and the vaccine will not keep you from infecting others. These are indisputable facts and that tells all I need to know about it.
I do not need a bunch of paid off scientists interpreting that raw data for me and neither does anyone else.
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"You might want to... but I think it's going to be similar to flu where it's going to be people at high-risk, people above 50 years of age, people with comorbidities, people with cancer and other conditions, people with transplants."
Not ever getting a fake vaccine from you guys. Deal with it...
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
To be fair, 70% of the population is overweight or obese so that's a lot of people who actually are technically "vulnerable"This message is exactly all I have been saying now since probably mid-2020. I'm not one of these magnets/doom/everyone-dead anti-vaccine guys, but I have adamantly insisted that based on what we've known for some time -- Not everyone needs or even should get vaccinated.
For that, the usual pro-covid lunatics have lambasted me repeatedly.
Pisspants, I'm singling you out -- you have been wrong throughout this, you are wrong now and if you had an ounce of integrity you would apologize to everyone for your constantly misrepresenting other's stances and then acknowledge that all along people who felt as I did were correct and you were played for a fool.
All the fuktards who screeched about not trusting scientists and how awful our critical thinking was - No, we were right. You are always right to stop and think for yourself.
Anyone can look at the people who died WITH covid. It's elderly and sickly people, people who will or would have died anyway or would have had a high percentage of it. That alone tells me who needs to consider the vaccine and those who do not need to worry about it.
Those who died WITH covid: Average age 78, 80% obese, 2.8 comorbidities on average. The vaccine does not keep you from getting covid and the vaccine will not keep you from infecting others. These are indisputable facts and that tells all I need to know about it.
I do not need a bunch of paid off scientists interpreting that raw data for me and neither does anyone else.
For that, the usual pro-covid lunatics have lambasted me repeatedly.
Pisspants, I'm singling you out -- you have been wrong throughout this, you are wrong now and if you had an ounce of integrity you would apologize to everyone for your constantly misrepresenting other's stances and then acknowledge that all along people who felt as I did were correct and you were played for a fool.
All the fuktards who screeched about not trusting scientists and how awful our critical thinking was - No, we were right. You are always right to stop and think for yourself.
Anyone can look at the people who died WITH covid. It's elderly and sickly people, people who will or would have died anyway or would have had a high percentage of it. That alone tells me who needs to consider the vaccine and those who do not need to worry about it.
Those who died WITH covid: Average age 78, 80% obese, 2.8 comorbidities on average. The vaccine does not keep you from getting covid and the vaccine will not keep you from infecting others. These are indisputable facts and that tells all I need to know about it.
I do not need a bunch of paid off scientists interpreting that raw data for me and neither does anyone else.
And nowadays with body "positivity" etc most people are fully in denial about their own fatness. So won't even admit they fall into those categories.
I agree that people who are genuinely fit and healthy won't be significantly affected. I ran multiple 10k and 15k trail runs while I had it, meanwhile my ex was coughing up blood. Was running with another guy last weekend who ran a full blown ultra (100k) whilst infected; he barely noticed he was sick. Obviously he wasn't fat or unfit tho.
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Originally Posted By Caldef⏩
Yes and no. Yes, the population as a whole is fatter and unhealthier than ever -- however, we aren't 78 years old on average. That is the average age of everyone who died WITH covid, 78 years of age.To be fair, 70% of the population is overweight or obese so that's a lot of people who actually are technically "vulnerable"
It's not that you were either old OR obese OR had comorbidities -- No, on average you had all three going on.
Someone 35 and obese with diabetes or some other comorbidity, sure - more at risk than someone that age healthy (who was basically at 0.00001% risk), but they're still not 78 and their overall risk wasn't too terribly high, even if they were unhealthy fatties.
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So OP and all of our other resident drooling retards autistically screeched over the hypothetical that young people would have to get boosted forever, and now also autistically screech at the policy that young people won't need to get boosted forever
Fascinating stuff
Fascinating stuff
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
You seem mad that people can't get fired for getting a shot anymore.So OP and all of our other resident drooling retards autistically screeched over the hypothetical that young people would have to get boosted forever, and now also autistically screech at the policy that young people won't need to get boosted forever
Fascinating stuff
Fascinating stuff
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
You’re so mad your precious coldvid is ending and conservatives were right about it the whole time. There’s no need to be this upsetSo OP and all of our other resident drooling retards autistically screeched over the hypothetical that young people would have to get boosted forever, and now also autistically screech at the policy that young people won't need to get boosted forever
Fascinating stuff
Fascinating stuff
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
It has to be older than 78 yrs old avg by now. The age of people dying within 60 days of a positive PCR test keeps going up every month. It's a damn good thing we don't test the same amount for flu every year and then claim everyone who dies within 60 days of a positive test is a "flu related death" or we'd be classifying about half a million deaths that way every year.Yes and no. Yes, the population as a whole is fatter and unhealthier than ever -- however, we aren't 78 years old on average. That is the average age of everyone who died WITH covid, 78 years of age.
It's not that you were either old OR obese OR had comorbidities -- No, on average you had all three going on.
Someone 35 and obese with diabetes or some other comorbidity, sure - more at risk than someone that age healthy (who was basically at 0.00001% risk), but they're still not 78 and their overall risk wasn't too terribly high, even if they were unhealthy fatties.
It's not that you were either old OR obese OR had comorbidities -- No, on average you had all three going on.
Someone 35 and obese with diabetes or some other comorbidity, sure - more at risk than someone that age healthy (who was basically at 0.00001% risk), but they're still not 78 and their overall risk wasn't too terribly high, even if they were unhealthy fatties.
And "overweight or obese" ends up as too broad a description for severe illness or death. A 50 yr old that's 20 pounds overweight is a very different risk than a 50 yr old that's 80 or 120 pounds overweight (very obese).
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
They don't need the jab, or need to get the booster.So OP and all of our other resident drooling retards autistically screeched over the hypothetical that young people would have to get boosted forever, and now also autistically screech at the policy that young people won't need to get boosted forever
Fascinating stuff
Fascinating stuff
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
We were right from the start, which is why few kids under 12 have gotten even one jab. You're doing classic psychological projection. Find a mirror, broski. You're upset, we're laughing in between "I told ya so."So OP and all of our other resident drooling retards autistically screeched over the hypothetical that young people would have to get boosted forever, and now also autistically screech at the policy that young people won't need to get boosted forever
Fascinating stuff
Fascinating stuff
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Lmao. Waiting for the resident pro-covid bros to tell us how the Creators of the vax themselves are wrong lmaooo
Reliance. Where you at hahaha
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
Holy cope Batman.So OP and all of our other resident drooling retards autistically screeched over the hypothetical that young people would have to get boosted forever, and now also autistically screech at the policy that young people won't need to get boosted forever
Fascinating stuff
Fascinating stuff
Lmao I see pro-covid bros in this thread being big mad. Weren’t you trying your hardest in a different thread to show how younger healthier people still need the shot lmfaoo
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1.*is now* predominantly
2.only killing the most vulnerable
3.because the US has *built up strong immunity through high infection rates and repeated vaccine rollouts.*
Translation, before we had nothing(limited info it was a new virus) but now we are in better shape and better equipped to handle things because of line 3.
Common sense.
After 2.5 years they learned a thing or 2, great.
2.only killing the most vulnerable
3.because the US has *built up strong immunity through high infection rates and repeated vaccine rollouts.*
Translation, before we had nothing(limited info it was a new virus) but now we are in better shape and better equipped to handle things because of line 3.
Common sense.
After 2.5 years they learned a thing or 2, great.
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Covid and flu are not the same by any rate, maybe in years but defo not now.
I trust eric more than ceo moderna:
immunity wanes ****gets
I trust eric more than ceo moderna:
Each day in the United States our immunity wall (vs severe Covid) develops more cracks in it
Why?
Far more people have their vaccine or infection-induced immunity waned than are getting a booster
Why?
Far more people have their vaccine or infection-induced immunity waned than are getting a booster
immunity wanes ****gets
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
The three highest comorbidities are:Yes and no. Yes, the population as a whole is fatter and unhealthier than ever -- however, we aren't 78 years old on average. That is the average age of everyone who died WITH covid, 78 years of age.
It's not that you were either old OR obese OR had comorbidities -- No, on average you had all three going on.
Someone 35 and obese with diabetes or some other comorbidity, sure - more at risk than someone that age healthy (who was basically at 0.00001% risk), but they're still not 78 and their overall risk wasn't too terribly high, even if they were unhealthy fatties.
It's not that you were either old OR obese OR had comorbidities -- No, on average you had all three going on.
Someone 35 and obese with diabetes or some other comorbidity, sure - more at risk than someone that age healthy (who was basically at 0.00001% risk), but they're still not 78 and their overall risk wasn't too terribly high, even if they were unhealthy fatties.
Hypertension
Diabetes
Heart disease
All of those three go up with age and obesity. People don't die from covid due to being fat per se; they die due to the health issues that you tend to gain from being fat.
This is why you see racial disparities. Blacks have higher rates of hypertension and indians have higher rates of diabetes.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
Well said, but you know what the #1 comorbidity for death is? Dementia. Which only adds to your point. You don't die from dementia itself, rather it's a signal of many other health problems that have accumulated.The three highest comorbidities are:
Hypertension
Diabetes
Heart disease
All of those three go up with age and obesity. People don't die from covid due to being fat per se; they die due to the health issues that you tend to gain from being fat.
This is why you see racial disparities. Blacks have higher rates of hypertension and indians have higher rates of diabetes.
Hypertension
Diabetes
Heart disease
All of those three go up with age and obesity. People don't die from covid due to being fat per se; they die due to the health issues that you tend to gain from being fat.
This is why you see racial disparities. Blacks have higher rates of hypertension and indians have higher rates of diabetes.
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I hope all the Liberals shaming people into getting the vaccines, sticking cameras in peoples' faces and putting them on blast on social media, and forcefully injecting peoples' kids against their parent's wishes all die a terrible death.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Good, so your mayor, who you're gonna vote for again, can explain to us all why kids should be forced to get the jab.1.*is now* predominantly
2.only killing the most vulnerable
3.because the US has *built up strong immunity through high infection rates and repeated vaccine rollouts.*
Translation, before we had nothing(limited info it was a new virus) but now we are in better shape and better equipped to handle things because of line 3.
Common sense.
After 2.5 years they learned a thing or 2, great.
2.only killing the most vulnerable
3.because the US has *built up strong immunity through high infection rates and repeated vaccine rollouts.*
Translation, before we had nothing(limited info it was a new virus) but now we are in better shape and better equipped to handle things because of line 3.
Common sense.
After 2.5 years they learned a thing or 2, great.
And are you saying that Nutsy, SillieBazzillie, NYPat, ViolentZ, Wincel, etc, are weak and vulnerable and that's why they should get the booster?
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie⏩
The guy tried to justify Australia's draconian measures, it was about saving lives.....Holy cope Batman.
Lmao I see pro-covid bros in this thread being big mad. Weren’t you trying your hardest in a different thread to show how younger healthier people still need the shot lmfaoo
Lmao I see pro-covid bros in this thread being big mad. Weren’t you trying your hardest in a different thread to show how younger healthier people still need the shot lmfaoo
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
I'd be interested to see stats on drug interactions. Did blood thinners and BP meds affect outcomes?Well said, but you know what the #1 comorbidity for death is? Dementia. Which only adds to your point. You don't die from dementia itself, rather it's a signal of many other health problems that have accumulated.
We know that in the early days, docs were killing people by putting them on ventilators. There are a lot of variables at play.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
1. Ask her why?Good, so your mayor, who you're gonna vote for again, can explain to us all why kids should be forced to get the jab.
And are you saying that Nutsy, SillieBazzillie, NYPat, ViolentZ, Wincel, etc, are weak and vulnerable and that's why they should get the booster?
And are you saying that Nutsy, SillieBazzillie, NYPat, ViolentZ, Wincel, etc, are weak and vulnerable and that's why they should get the booster?
2. those are *your* words/opinions not mine.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
No, you were not "right" and never were. Funny how you suddenly give a chit what "big pharma" has to say though... when you think it helps your cause.This message is exactly all I have been saying now since probably mid-2020. I'm not one of these magnets/doom/everyone-dead anti-vaccine guys, but I have adamantly insisted that based on what we've known for some time -- Not everyone needs or even should get vaccinated.
For that, the usual pro-covid lunatics have lambasted me repeatedly.
Pisspants, I'm singling you out -- you have been wrong throughout this, you are wrong now and if you had an ounce of integrity you would apologize to everyone for your constantly misrepresenting other's stances and then acknowledge that all along people who felt as I did were correct and you were played for a fool.
All the fuktards who screeched about not trusting scientists and how awful our critical thinking was - No, we were right. You are always right to stop and think for yourself.
Anyone can look at the people who died WITH covid. It's elderly and sickly people, people who will or would have died anyway or would have had a high percentage of it. That alone tells me who needs to consider the vaccine and those who do not need to worry about it.
Those who died WITH covid: Average age 78, 80% obese, 2.8 comorbidities on average. The vaccine does not keep you from getting covid and the vaccine will not keep you from infecting others. These are indisputable facts and that tells all I need to know about it.
I do not need a bunch of paid off scientists interpreting that raw data for me and neither does anyone else.
For that, the usual pro-covid lunatics have lambasted me repeatedly.
Pisspants, I'm singling you out -- you have been wrong throughout this, you are wrong now and if you had an ounce of integrity you would apologize to everyone for your constantly misrepresenting other's stances and then acknowledge that all along people who felt as I did were correct and you were played for a fool.
All the fuktards who screeched about not trusting scientists and how awful our critical thinking was - No, we were right. You are always right to stop and think for yourself.
Anyone can look at the people who died WITH covid. It's elderly and sickly people, people who will or would have died anyway or would have had a high percentage of it. That alone tells me who needs to consider the vaccine and those who do not need to worry about it.
Those who died WITH covid: Average age 78, 80% obese, 2.8 comorbidities on average. The vaccine does not keep you from getting covid and the vaccine will not keep you from infecting others. These are indisputable facts and that tells all I need to know about it.
I do not need a bunch of paid off scientists interpreting that raw data for me and neither does anyone else.
You don't know more than the CDC nor does this quote change the fact that the vaccines are safe and effective and should be taken by everyone who is eligible.
And your "indisputable facts" are a joke. Just because you keep repeating the things you want to believe over and over does not mean they're facts.
It's always funny though when anti-vaxxers think they finally found the evidence to prove they knew more than the experts all along... Fuking LOL
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