Is work all based on cronyism now?

10-27-2022, 10:20 AM

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Is work all based on cronyism now?

I don't get it you can be an efficient hard worker yet the cronies that kiss ass and and do nothing can get away with anything and get the promotions

It didn't used to be like this

10-27-2022, 10:22 AM

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It's called having bad management.

10-27-2022, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted By Drew23⏩

It's called having bad management.

What do you mean brother?

10-27-2022, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩

What do you mean brother?

The management isn't good

10-27-2022, 10:31 AM

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When the people running things are bad at recognizing talent, the only option to get ahead is to kiss ass. Bad and lazy managers like this, because it makes them feel good and they don't actually have to try to identify the best candidates to help improve the business.

A good management structure would have all employees treated with equal respect, and those that are interested in moving up would be given goals and resources that would help them move up. Then you have promotions given based on merit, and no amount of sucking up to the boss is going to help. Because a good manager is interested in improving the business, not being flattered.

10-27-2022, 10:36 AM

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10-27-2022, 10:38 AM

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there is no real way to increase productivity in current "capitalism" so essentially it's play theater resembling Soviet union and simulating work rather than working.

10-27-2022, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted By SamadhiMaxxing⏩

there is no real way to increase productivity in current "capitalism" so essentially it's play theater resembling Soviet union and simulating work rather than working.

This. Any officecel can confirm.

National productivity has been flat for 20 years at this point.

10-27-2022, 10:52 AM

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I used to work with a guy that did absolutely ZERO work but he always walked around with a clipboard, looking around and took notes. Whenever a project completed he would take credit for it. At first me and some of the other people that were on to him would call him out with no results. Then I decided to do the opposite and I sent an email after completing some work and I made sure to thank this worthless SOB for his skills at project management. Next thing I know I get invited to a meeting with a bunch of managers. He gives a presentation at the meeting and says how great a job I did and it was because of my hard work and attention to detail That the project got done on time and under budget. I get invited to a project completion luncheon, a promotion and raise at the end of the year because of this. Luckily this was pretty early in my career that I learned this golden rul of business.

10-27-2022, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted By desslok⏩

I used to work with a guy that did absolutely ZERO work but he always walked around with a clipboard, looking around and took notes. Whenever a project completed he would take credit for it. At first me and some of the other people that were on to him would call him out with no results. Then I decided to do the opposite and I sent an email after completing some work and I made sure to thank this worthless SOB for his skills at project management. Next thing I know I get invited to a meeting with a bunch of managers. He gives a presentation at the meeting and says how great a job I did and it was because of my hard work and attention to detail That the project got done on time and under budget. I get incited to a project competiom luncheon, a promotion and raise at the end of the year because of this. Luckily this was pretty early in my career that I learned this golden rul of business.

My coworker just sits there while I do the work though. He types a few things on the computer but doesn't move beyond that. Management doesn't assign people tasks he just gets to sit there since they never assign him anything. I do about 15 different tasks (80-90% of the work). I've told them they could assign him one or two of my tasks but they won't. So he gets to just sit there lmao.

10-27-2022, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted By Drew23⏩

When the people running things are bad at recognizing talent, the only option to get ahead is to kiss ass. Bad and lazy managers like this, because it makes them feel good and they don't actually have to try to identify the best candidates to help improve the business.

A good management structure would have all employees treated with equal respect, and those that are interested in moving up would be given goals and resources that would help them move up. Then you have promotions given based on merit, and no amount of sucking up to the boss is going to help. Because a good manager is interested in improving the business, not being flattered.

Bro I do legit 90% of the work. Idk how they don't recognize that. I do all of the heavy lifting while he just sits there.

I think it'll because I'm a hard worker but the rest of them don't want to do anything tbh. At least that's my gut feeling.

10-27-2022, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩

Bro I do legit 90% of the work. Idk how they don't recognize that. I do all of the heavy lifting while he just sits there.

you are too dumb to realize that you are being taken advantage of i guess

10-27-2022, 11:27 AM

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It’s always been a thing you dikchead

10-27-2022, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted By SamadhiMaxxing⏩

you are too dumb to realize that you are being taken advantage of i guess

No I'm aware. I just don't understand how it's possible after I've mentioned it to then a bunch of times

They gaslight me any time I say something though and say I'm a problem

I think my biggest question is how can management treat a valuable employee like this while at the same time just letting someone else do the bare minimum when we are supposed to be a team?

10-27-2022, 11:31 AM

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Actually it’s always been like that. It’s how small community’s function. Industrial society causing you to forsake your friends for some weird autist for maximum efficiency is mental illness forced upon us by industrial society.

10-27-2022, 11:31 AM

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10-27-2022, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩

Actually it’s always been like that. It’s how small community’s function. Industrial society causing you to forsake your friends for some weird autist for maximum efficiency is mental illness forced upon us by industrial society.

It probably has but I've never been ostracized from a work group before and idk what I did. I just come in and do my best work and leave. But I can't sustain the amount of work I'm doing if the other guy isn't going to help out at all.

With the old management team they assigned our work more evenly and we had to rotate each month. With this management team he just sits there while I run around and do 20 different tasks. He doesn't budge from his seat.

10-27-2022, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩

Actually it’s always been like that. It’s how small community’s function. Industrial society causing you to forsake your friends for some weird autist for maximum efficiency is mental illness forced upon us by industrial society.

I said the same fukin thing in a clearer, more concise manner above.

10-27-2022, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted By headturner1⏩

I said the same fukin thing in a clearer, more concise manner above.

I have also mentioned it many times on here that I believe most people barely do any work and only like 10% of people are carrying the load. But I've never seen it this bad.

10-27-2022, 12:01 PM

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It's like that most places OP. Instead of complaining about it, you should work on either being more charming or kissing more ass at work.

10-27-2022, 12:06 PM

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It has always been like that.

You will top out at middle management if you aren't competent and competitive in spite of cronyism though.

10-27-2022, 12:07 PM

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This is only a thing in bs jobs in big globocorp companies.

If you work on a small team in a smaller place everyone’s going to know who sucks. There’s no hiding and coasting by for your whole career.

Sounds like you work in some non job field like inventory control or data management

10-27-2022, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted By Drew23⏩

A good management structure would have all employees treated with equal respect, and those that are interested in moving up would be given goals and resources that would help them move up. Then you have promotions given based on merit, and no amount of sucking up to the boss is going to help. Because a good manager is interested in improving the business, not being flattered.

I think good management is more rare in the modern era.

I look at job hopping as a major driver of this. People aren't forming covenants with their work in which their success it tied to the company success and they will let their careers die before letting the company die. Now it more focused on "I accomplished x goal and y goal at company A" to use to get hired at company B.

I'm not sure if this is necessarily bad, but I do think it has had a negative impact on the management mentality.

10-27-2022, 12:14 PM

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I'm all for it. It's how the Jews do it (nepotism and cronyism) and they own everything.

10-27-2022, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩

I have also mentioned it many times on here that I believe most people barely do any work and only like 10% of people are carrying the load. But I've never seen it this bad.

It’s always been completely fuked man. I noticed it when I was an 18 year old working in retail, it was prevalent then, just as prevalent in the public sector as well

10-27-2022, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted By headturner1⏩

It’s always been completely fuked man. I noticed it when I was an 18 year old working in retail, it was prevalent then, just as prevalent in the public sector as well

Not familiar. In the past myself and most of my coworkers were hard workers that clocked in early every day and did our best.

10-27-2022, 01:03 PM

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Cronyism is definitely a huge part of things. But I think the biggest shift in workplaces is the HR and "Equity Officer" type positions who come in and basically destroy companies from the inside-out.