Boxing started off great with no competition and great characters.

However, boxing has devolved recently and tanked in popularity due to rival promotions. Promotions like Top rank/DAZN/Matchroom/PBC etc they create internal conflict in the world of boxing. PBC fighter cannot face DAZN fighter because the PBC promoter doesn't want their fighter to lose to a rival promotion. This stalemate goes on for years frustrating the fans and holding back the sport. not to mention all the ABC belts, nobody knows who is the real champion. They don't want to unify because rival promotions once again. Boxing is a fiasco.


UFC is a dictatorship with the most balanced system in place. Contender A beats contender B then fights the champion. It's very fluid with few exceptions. Fans flock to UFC in a few decades and now UFC has eclipsed boxing in popularity and revenue despite boxing having 100 year history on UFC. It is simply run better.

Boxing is a mess right now.


Bottomline they overpay the top fighters for easy overmatched fights. The guys can make basically the same money fighting 2 scrubs where they have 95% chance of winning as they would facing another top guy in their division for a 50/50 fight but if they lose their revenue takes a huge hit in future fights. So now you got guys in the same weight classes that wont fight each other.

Its like if baseball or football determined the 2 best teams and then just stopped the season there without any world series or superbowl. thats literally life as a boxing fan now.



Also amateur boxing is highly corrupt. They also removed headgear from the olympics and tournaments again to make the fights more exciting but the problem is you wont get the best fighter winning you will get the guys who were lucky to not get cut, they fight too frequently to recover from cuts which is why they had head gear.

So China is a bunch of men laying in between each others legs?

the last throws of boxing just as the last throws of the American empire.


HEY WE STILL HAVE THE RICHEST BILLIONAIRES. it doesn't show which organization is run better, it simply showcases which society is more unbalanced.

For the fans: UFC is better
For the fighters: Boxing is better

boxing is run like a democracy with different parties. They are fighters first!


great in concept, but splinters in reality.

For the fans and vast majority of fighters : UFC is better

For the elite few champions/greats: Boxing is better

Boxing scales up exponentially in pay and is much easier to learn and practice. UFC gotta grapple and strike, expensive to train in, very chaotic sport get knocked out by random spinning chit.

I don’t think ufc fighters eat sewer oil

Incorrect.



Francis was digging sandpits at 25 and driving taxis. then decided to fight MMA and became UFC champion within a few years.


the guy fight for the belt this weekend came over from kickboxing for a couple years, now he's making millions fighting the champion.

So what ? Deontay Wilder started at 20, working 4 different wagie jobs and made more money in 1 fight than Francis' whole career.

Perera made 188k in his last fight, and will make guaranteed 500k for this. Peanuts for a "title" fight.

Pereira came from an entirely different sport. Now he will fight for millions. championship fights have PPV points. Vast majority of fighters on UFC, even jouneyman get paid better.




Deontay Wilder is one of those few top dogs. Just like the billionaires in the US.

Perera will be lucky to cash in 1mil at most. Maybe journeymen gets paid better per fight, but they only fight like twice a year. Boxers can get in like 5 or so fights per year so it probably evens out. Also who cares about journeymen, if you aren't on track to become a top dog just quit.

A single top dog in boxing will probably earn more in 1 fight that ALL the top dogs in UFC combined in a year. Basically my point, boxing pay is exponential.

i'm not arguing the top of sport pay. that is not the intent of my post.



I am arguing the product. the organization as a whole. UFC is infinitely better run than boxing. boxing is a dying sport just like America.

Contenders generally don't get PPV points. DC fought Jones and sold 1 million PPVs for the 1st fight and got 90k.

He got a back stage bonus, but the UFC didn't have to give him it. It wasn't PPV points.

More money for fighters in boxing.
Thus, the super athletes go to boxing.
Not just the super athletes but higher level of talent and athleticism in boxing.

UFC does put the big names against each other but it’s simply branding and hype. How quickly we discovered McGregor and the bish who lost to Holly Holmes was garbage. They elevate talentless white stars for mor views/profit.


More reward and freedom attracting higher talent does sound like democracy/capitalism. It is messier though just like democracy/capitalism but the products are far higher quality.

From a promotional side I'm not even sure about that. Boxing knows how to build fighters. Top dogs stick around for a long time. You really believe these guys are best of the best. From a fan perspective, it's frustrating to see them being "protected" but at the same time, it adds to the hype and the allure.

In UFC, guys string together 3-4 wins, get a title shot, maybe become champ, lose then disappear off the face of the earth. Every 2-3 years the scene changes, all the champs are replaced. It's hard to root for people when their gone just as fast as they came.

the pay is not what i'm arguing.



how the sports are run is the point of this thread.



good promotion of the sport and its fighters is not a negative, it's a positive on UFC

3 of the biggest fights in boxing currently cannot be made due to rival promoters.


Spence/Crawford

Beterbiev/Bivol

Fury/Usyk



you should read the grief on the boxing boards.




this never happens in UFC.

That is true but the talent levels in boxing far exceeds MMA. Boxing is a bigger sport despite the UFC Brand being big.
If anyone was good enough for top level boxing they wouldnt touch UFC with a stick.

Adesanya was a top level kickboxer and dominates UFC whilst he would not stand a change in a boxing ring. Why Else would he fight for 1/10 of the pay? Exactly.

I Honestly find myself watching more UFC than boxing nowadays. Much more straight forward. Boxing is more business & politics than anything. Fighters are Also terrified to lose their O which is annoying af.

that's all nice.



but what is the point if the best can't fight the best. that is the point of any sport. the best has to fight the best.



Boxing has lost its way.

You are right and worse thing about crawford is he used to be arum but now hes a free agent and STILL they cant make the damn spence fight and that one has been like 5 years in the making, crawford is already mid 30s now.

there are guys like freaking andrande who are well into their 30s who fought NOBODY and still cry they cant get mega fights.


Crawford SOMEHOW has a $10 million gurantee to fight some random russian cabbage farmer, I dont get how there is even money available to offer him that much, it will only sell like 50k PPV, that is not enough to cover $10 million for him let alone all the other costs and undercard. WHo is overpaying these guys, it makes them refuse to fight anyone too good, they rather fight some bum they have a 98% chance of beating for a highway robbery level paydays.

usa is pro wrestling bc it's always been a carny business

the sport is broken.


Charlos who goes through an entire career fighting bums.

even GGG got avoided like a plague when he was coming up, so he starts avoiding contenders when he's at the top.

now the biggest fights in boxing are clown shows like Jake Paul and MMA fighters lol

boxing is a dysfunctional organization.

pro-wrestling is 10X more organized than boxing.

pro-wrestling is more like UFC, therefore China. Dictator in place and everyone tows the line for a common interest.