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11-28-2022, 08:10 AM
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Alarm, Alienation, And Addiction [Long]
If you are a regular miscer I'm guessing there is at least an 80% chance that you could learn something useful to you ITT.
When I saw this title I clicked it thinking that it would be good information and might apply to my daughter. I've experienced some episodic anxiety in the past, but don't think of myself as "having anxiety". I already knew that anxiety originates in the body, not in the mind and I had learned that getting out of my head and being in my body is a really good thing for me though I've neglected it for years now- pretty much since I moved from MI to TX and lost my awesome walking trail and my beloved gym.
I'm going to natter on here as I do, but I highly suggest taking the time to watch or listen to the whole thing.
A key concept for me was that what we label as "anxiety" isalarmwhich is initiated when old wounds are triggered in some way. Dr. Kennedy says that "all anxiety is separation anxiety", meaning that this tape was recorded by our nervous system when we experienced painfully bad or insufficient parenting while we were small children.
This could be something obvious seeming like abuse or neglect, or it could be rooted in something much less intuitive like physical trauma which may have been accidental or medical in nature, or even just a mismatch between parent and child where a strong bond fails to form.
When I saw this title I clicked it thinking that it would be good information and might apply to my daughter. I've experienced some episodic anxiety in the past, but don't think of myself as "having anxiety". I already knew that anxiety originates in the body, not in the mind and I had learned that getting out of my head and being in my body is a really good thing for me though I've neglected it for years now- pretty much since I moved from MI to TX and lost my awesome walking trail and my beloved gym.
OT:
Spoiler!
In this interview I learned a lot of new things. One of the most important is thatanxiety can present in many different ways. I knew that people could have ****tic symptoms of anxiety, like an upset stomach or anxiety attacks. I didn't know that anxiety could present as unease or anger.Spoiler!
I don't know if I will get that back, but I still want to. I really was a lot fatter and out of touch with my body/stuck in my head. Starting to exercise when you are out of shape isn't pleasant. Making it into a habit isn't easy. But I did it and I tend to think that if somehow you could give unfit people the experience of how much better if feels to walk around in a strong fit body - if they could "see" it for themselves first - that there would be many fewer real couch potatoes.
I'm going to natter on here as I do, but I highly suggest taking the time to watch or listen to the whole thing.
A key concept for me was that what we label as "anxiety" isalarmwhich is initiated when old wounds are triggered in some way. Dr. Kennedy says that "all anxiety is separation anxiety", meaning that this tape was recorded by our nervous system when we experienced painfully bad or insufficient parenting while we were small children.
This could be something obvious seeming like abuse or neglect, or it could be rooted in something much less intuitive like physical trauma which may have been accidental or medical in nature, or even just a mismatch between parent and child where a strong bond fails to form.
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11-28-2022, 08:11 AM
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Dear miscers- you may "have anxiety", meaning that you may suffer from alarm due to your childhood experiences.
This alarm could be distorting your life in negative ways. And you might be able to fix it, or at least improve it.
Big Cliffs:
- anxiety [aka: ALARM] can present in different ways including tension, worry, nausea, pain, tightness, anger- it may not feel the way you think that fear would feel
- individuals who are carrying this childhood trauma in their body often cope with DISTRACTION or ADDICTION [a type of distraction] to deal with their feeling of alarm by ignoring it, repressing it, or medicating it, which is a temporary fix
- this old separation experience causes us toseparate from ourselveswhen we move out of our body and into our head
- when you are separated from yourselfYOU BLOCK LOVE FROM YOURSELF, that moment when you go into your head instead of staying in your body and self-soothing you are withholding love from yourself [picture a parent ignoring a crying child]
- this internal separation which may have begun as a way to cope with an inconsistent, neglectful, or abusive parent can cause an overall feeling ofALIENATIONwhich leaves you feeling lonely and disconnected to other people, even when you are engaged in an intimate relationship
Some notes on experiencing and dealing with ALARM:
Virtual EMDR Online
https://go.virtualemdr.com/online-emdr/
In this interview I learned that there is a mode of therapy for pre-verbal trauma which you may have without possessing any conscious memory of the event[s] because you were just too young. I know from my mother that I had a traumatic birth and was electrocuted at a young age.
https://www.promises.com/addiction-b...verbal-trauma/
Dr. Kerry's YT and insta:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxH...nh_3Y1suOaOhTQ
This alarm could be distorting your life in negative ways. And you might be able to fix it, or at least improve it.
Big Cliffs:
- anxiety [aka: ALARM] can present in different ways including tension, worry, nausea, pain, tightness, anger- it may not feel the way you think that fear would feel
- individuals who are carrying this childhood trauma in their body often cope with DISTRACTION or ADDICTION [a type of distraction] to deal with their feeling of alarm by ignoring it, repressing it, or medicating it, which is a temporary fix
- this old separation experience causes us toseparate from ourselveswhen we move out of our body and into our head
- when you are separated from yourselfYOU BLOCK LOVE FROM YOURSELF, that moment when you go into your head instead of staying in your body and self-soothing you are withholding love from yourself [picture a parent ignoring a crying child]
- this internal separation which may have begun as a way to cope with an inconsistent, neglectful, or abusive parent can cause an overall feeling ofALIENATIONwhich leaves you feeling lonely and disconnected to other people, even when you are engaged in an intimate relationship
Some notes on experiencing and dealing with ALARM:
- JABS [Judgement, Abandonment, Blame, and Shame] are the sorts of thoughts which are mind creates when searching for a *reason* for the alarm we are feeling- the alarm comes first.
- You can think of alarm as your inner child [the earlier version of you that was traumatized] needing to be seen and comforted like an upset crying toddler that need to be picked up and cuddled.
- When you do notice that you are feeling alarm [physical symptoms [nausea, muscle tightness, shallow fast breathing] or strong emotions without an obvious origination] go into your body and notice what you are experiencing and where you are feeling it.
- Try to stop ruminating- aka: thinking all the distressing thoughts [JABS]. Mel's method is to countdown 5-4-3-2-1 to move her focus from her mind to her body.
- Another way to respond and calm your body: take 3 quick breaths in through the nose, hold 3 seconds, and then a long exhale through clenched teeth like a deflating tire.
- Over time with repeated effort you may be able to heal your anxiety by repairing the damaged deep tape that was laid down in childhood via embodiment [breath work, deep relaxation, yoga, etc.] and reprocessing that old trauma. There are individual exercises and therapies available.
I had already learned of EMDR and how it is believed to work. Very generally you are scanning [moving your eyes left to right] while recounting a traumatic memory. The eye movement gives your brain a sense of action and control that you may not have had when the original event occurred.- You can think of alarm as your inner child [the earlier version of you that was traumatized] needing to be seen and comforted like an upset crying toddler that need to be picked up and cuddled.
- When you do notice that you are feeling alarm [physical symptoms [nausea, muscle tightness, shallow fast breathing] or strong emotions without an obvious origination] go into your body and notice what you are experiencing and where you are feeling it.
- Try to stop ruminating- aka: thinking all the distressing thoughts [JABS]. Mel's method is to countdown 5-4-3-2-1 to move her focus from her mind to her body.
- Another way to respond and calm your body: take 3 quick breaths in through the nose, hold 3 seconds, and then a long exhale through clenched teeth like a deflating tire.
- Over time with repeated effort you may be able to heal your anxiety by repairing the damaged deep tape that was laid down in childhood via embodiment [breath work, deep relaxation, yoga, etc.] and reprocessing that old trauma. There are individual exercises and therapies available.
Virtual EMDR Online
https://go.virtualemdr.com/online-emdr/
In this interview I learned that there is a mode of therapy for pre-verbal trauma which you may have without possessing any conscious memory of the event[s] because you were just too young. I know from my mother that I had a traumatic birth and was electrocuted at a young age.
Preverbal trauma involves trauma that happens in early childhood, usually before speech and language development. This, therefore, makes identifying the trauma particularly challenging. Sometimes the strongest experiences of PTSD stem from a time wherein you have no clear memory or way of articulating where the trauma stems from. This could include anything from medical complications as a child to child abuse and neglect. Preverbal trauma is the blueprint of early childhood relationships. Due to how early on the trauma occurs, the event is stored in a disorganised way. Therefore you may feel burdened by pains and uncomfortable experiences without knowing the root cause.
People may not even be aware of their own traumatic experiences at a young age as trauma can impact brain structures, leading to a block/memory loss of the traumatic event. For example, preverbal trauma does not have a clear word or memory that triggers a PTSD response. Instead, they might have flashing uncomfortable images or uncomfortable physical sensations with no cause.
Babette Rothschild, an expert on trauma and PTSD, believes that a ‘loss of control is at the centre of PTSD’. Taking this into consideration, as a therapist, my treatments involve regaining control over your trauma and not letting it control you.
People may not even be aware of their own traumatic experiences at a young age as trauma can impact brain structures, leading to a block/memory loss of the traumatic event. For example, preverbal trauma does not have a clear word or memory that triggers a PTSD response. Instead, they might have flashing uncomfortable images or uncomfortable physical sensations with no cause.
Babette Rothschild, an expert on trauma and PTSD, believes that a ‘loss of control is at the centre of PTSD’. Taking this into consideration, as a therapist, my treatments involve regaining control over your trauma and not letting it control you.
****tic therapy affirms that your traumatic preverbal memories are real and deserving of attention. These memories simply exist as a “felt sense” not a play-by-play representation of the traumatic events. That being said, treatment must connect with that sense.
An article on three types of ****tic therapy:https://www.promises.com/addiction-b...verbal-trauma/
Dr. Kerry's YT and insta:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxH...nh_3Y1suOaOhTQ
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11-28-2022, 08:17 AM
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How much to spend a weekend with me?
11-28-2022, 08:25 AM
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Hey there OP! Just thought you should know that I didn’t read a single word.
11-28-2022, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted By legbroke⏩
lollooks neat, in 4 later
Katya's clearly been compromised though
Katya's clearly been compromised though
Didn't pay that much attention.
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Doing what?How much to spend a weekend with me?
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Your loss bb.Hey there OP! Just thought you should know that I didn’t read a single word.
Maybe just watch the video then.
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11-28-2022, 08:29 AM
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Interesting stuff. In for later.
OT observation, my woman has been trying to "fix" herself and shared some vids she found on codependency. I didn't relate, but the way it's described, and how it feeds on itself from prior programing is interesting. Even if you're out of a situation (chitty parents, drugs, etc) the programming is still there and difficult to break. Subconsciously seeking the same situations. My woman has anxiety and depression, checking that out opened her eyes to a lot of crap.
OT observation, my woman has been trying to "fix" herself and shared some vids she found on codependency. I didn't relate, but the way it's described, and how it feeds on itself from prior programing is interesting. Even if you're out of a situation (chitty parents, drugs, etc) the programming is still there and difficult to break. Subconsciously seeking the same situations. My woman has anxiety and depression, checking that out opened her eyes to a lot of crap.
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11-28-2022, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
What if I don’t have mental health issues though?lol
Didn't pay that much attention.
Doing what?
Your loss bb.
Maybe just watch the video then.
Didn't pay that much attention.
Doing what?
Your loss bb.
Maybe just watch the video then.
11-28-2022, 08:45 AM
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I’m doing Xmas shopping at target right now but I swear to you my little kitkatya, I will read your essay when I am done. You’re looking good btw.
11-28-2022, 08:49 AM
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I have a lot of anxiety, but I believe most of it is situational for me. I can definitely learn better and healthier coping mechanisms.
I'll try to watch that video and look at other sources, but linking anxiety and response to early childhood seems like a largely untestable theory designed to sell you some books or courses.
I'm a huge fan of breathing exercises (I use Prana Breath app on Android). One of my favorites is:
Beginner: inhale 3 seconds through nose, exhale 6 seconds through mouth with pursed lips (leave a bit of air in lungs, not completely empty), then sustain for 6 seconds (don't breathe in, leave lungs with that last second or 2 of air). When you are ready to repeat, let that last bit of air out before inhaling. Repeat for 5 to 10 min.
More advanced is to do the above but sustain for 9 seconds instead of 6. There's no retain step in this pattern (holding full lungs).
I'll try to watch that video and look at other sources, but linking anxiety and response to early childhood seems like a largely untestable theory designed to sell you some books or courses.
I'm a huge fan of breathing exercises (I use Prana Breath app on Android). One of my favorites is:
Beginner: inhale 3 seconds through nose, exhale 6 seconds through mouth with pursed lips (leave a bit of air in lungs, not completely empty), then sustain for 6 seconds (don't breathe in, leave lungs with that last second or 2 of air). When you are ready to repeat, let that last bit of air out before inhaling. Repeat for 5 to 10 min.
More advanced is to do the above but sustain for 9 seconds instead of 6. There's no retain step in this pattern (holding full lungs).
11-28-2022, 08:59 AM
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As a side note I first got put into therapy at like 12 when parents got divorced
Up until I completed my wilderness youth program for running away at 16 I had seen something like 15 therapists.
As an adult I saw a few for sex and alcohol addiction when getting over drinking and trying to shape up to get married / be a father. And over the course of 10 years of marriage we’ve seen a few, and I’ve had two guys I talk to and go over thoughts on my head with even if it’s been awhile.
But in the middle of all that I did several months of EMDR.
And it took me to memories and helped me figure out so much chit on where my impulses and insecurities come from.
Stupid ass memories like when I was like 5 and my mom told me to turn off the light downstairs and I did. But she went and saw it on before leaving and had a BPD freak out screaming at me. I told her I turned it off but she went complete psycho raving about me being delusional and lying to her etc..
So I just started lying to tell people what they wanted to hear since telling the truth people could still think you were lying.
I mean crazy chit like that comes up and it really helps. Highly recommend, and I see very little benefit to 95% of therapy and thought most of it was just running in circles.
Up until I completed my wilderness youth program for running away at 16 I had seen something like 15 therapists.
As an adult I saw a few for sex and alcohol addiction when getting over drinking and trying to shape up to get married / be a father. And over the course of 10 years of marriage we’ve seen a few, and I’ve had two guys I talk to and go over thoughts on my head with even if it’s been awhile.
But in the middle of all that I did several months of EMDR.
And it took me to memories and helped me figure out so much chit on where my impulses and insecurities come from.
Stupid ass memories like when I was like 5 and my mom told me to turn off the light downstairs and I did. But she went and saw it on before leaving and had a BPD freak out screaming at me. I told her I turned it off but she went complete psycho raving about me being delusional and lying to her etc..
So I just started lying to tell people what they wanted to hear since telling the truth people could still think you were lying.
I mean crazy chit like that comes up and it really helps. Highly recommend, and I see very little benefit to 95% of therapy and thought most of it was just running in circles.
11-28-2022, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted By -JR⏩
I find this recent-ish melding of physical medicine with mental health to be kind of exciting. It feels more "real" and just fits better than the previous "all in your head" model.Interesting stuff. In for later.
OT observation, my woman has been trying to "fix" herself and shared some vids she found on codependency. I didn't relate, but the way it's described, and how it feeds on itself from prior programing is interesting. Even if you're out of a situation (chitty parents, drugs, etc) the programming is still there and difficult to break. Subconsciously seeking the same situations. My woman has anxiety and depression, checking that out opened her eyes to a lot of crap.
OT observation, my woman has been trying to "fix" herself and shared some vids she found on codependency. I didn't relate, but the way it's described, and how it feeds on itself from prior programing is interesting. Even if you're out of a situation (chitty parents, drugs, etc) the programming is still there and difficult to break. Subconsciously seeking the same situations. My woman has anxiety and depression, checking that out opened her eyes to a lot of crap.
Hey, your brain and nervous system are physical structures of your body which are shaped by early experiences.
I don't think anyone questions that getting burned as a child because you touched something that was too hot taught you to be cautious of hot things in order to avoid injury and pain.
So it seems very straightforward that if you experienced pain from your interactions with the main humans that you were in contact with and dependent on you when you were a small child then you may struggle with feeling secure and connected with yourself and with other humans.
Codependency appears to stem from one of the trauma responses-
- fight [self explanatory]
- flight [run away]
- freeze [hide, attempt to be unnoticed]
- fawn [soothe the "other" to try to avoid being attacked]
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I think codependency is rooted in the fawn response. You are in the control of/dependent on an unsafe adult and will try anything to try and get what you need while preventing any emotional/physical outbursts. The child is put into the position of meeting the needs of the parent instead of the other way around.
I found this article which also has a few others:
https://drarielleschwartz.com/the-ne.../#.Y4TZ73rMLb0
I still haven't read all of the book that I referenced re:trauma. But I remember that the deepest trauma is when the person who is traumatized has no control or means to escape the situation. I think that is also the type of trauma that most often leads to dissociation.
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11-28-2022, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted By MiscGranny⏩
Then I'm glad for you. Top 20% miscer.What if I don’t have mental health issues though?
Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
read every single word
Originally Posted By Deathstroke⏩
I’m doing Xmas shopping at target right now but I swear to you my little kitkatya, I will read your essay when I am done. You’re looking good btw.
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11-28-2022, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted By jreacher⏩
I'm not sure that ALL anxiety stems from childhood. I'm generally shy of embracing absolutes. Humans just aren't that simple. Surely some people are more/less resilient when hit with this sort of stress and individuals can still experience trauma that has a lasting effect after childhood. It does make perfect sense that we are marked more deeply by earlier experiences.I have a lot of anxiety, but I believe most of it is situational for me. I can definitely learn better and healthier coping mechanisms.
I'll try to watch that video and look at other sources, but linking anxiety and response to early childhood seems like a largely untestable theory designed to sell you some books or courses.
I'm a huge fan of breathing exercises (I use Prana Breath app on Android). One of my favorites is:
Beginner: inhale 3 seconds through nose, exhale 6 seconds through mouth with pursed lips (leave a bit of air in lungs, not completely empty), then sustain for 6 seconds (don't breathe in, leave lungs with that last second or 2 of air). When you are ready to repeat, let that last bit of air out before inhaling. Repeat for 5 to 10 min.
More advanced is to do the above but sustain for 9 seconds instead of 6. There's no retain step in this pattern (holding full lungs).
I'll try to watch that video and look at other sources, but linking anxiety and response to early childhood seems like a largely untestable theory designed to sell you some books or courses.
I'm a huge fan of breathing exercises (I use Prana Breath app on Android). One of my favorites is:
Beginner: inhale 3 seconds through nose, exhale 6 seconds through mouth with pursed lips (leave a bit of air in lungs, not completely empty), then sustain for 6 seconds (don't breathe in, leave lungs with that last second or 2 of air). When you are ready to repeat, let that last bit of air out before inhaling. Repeat for 5 to 10 min.
More advanced is to do the above but sustain for 9 seconds instead of 6. There's no retain step in this pattern (holding full lungs).
The breathing exercise you describe sounds very similar to the one they recommend in the video.
Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Thanks for sharing. <3As a side note I first got put into therapy at like 12 when parents got divorced
Up until I completed my wilderness youth program for running away at 16 I had seen something like 15 therapists.
But in the middle of all that I did several months of EMDR.
And it took me to memories and helped me figure out so much chit on where my impulses and insecurities come from.
I mean crazy chit like that comes up and it really helps. Highly recommend, and I see very little benefit to 95% of therapy and thought most of it was just running in circles.
Up until I completed my wilderness youth program for running away at 16 I had seen something like 15 therapists.
But in the middle of all that I did several months of EMDR.
And it took me to memories and helped me figure out so much chit on where my impulses and insecurities come from.
I mean crazy chit like that comes up and it really helps. Highly recommend, and I see very little benefit to 95% of therapy and thought most of it was just running in circles.
I haven't tried EMDR or any ****tic therapy personally, but I have read and heard a lot of accounts of people saying that it really worked and was super helpful.
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11-28-2022, 06:13 PM
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Hard to do a lot about bad upbringing. I would not be surprised to learn most originates from something equivalent to domestic violence.
The most sensible take on 'anxiety' I've discovered is the etymology of "fear" meaning "tremble".
You wish to reorient.
The most sensible take on 'anxiety' I've discovered is the etymology of "fear" meaning "tremble".
You wish to reorient.
11-30-2022, 12:08 PM
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Good post. That was a great podcast that I think would benefit a lot of people.
11-30-2022, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted By JustiNtense⏩
Good post. That was a great podcast that I think would benefit a lot of people.
And thanks for the bump. I agree that it could be super helpful. Packed with information and tips.
I didn't fully read through one of the articles until after this post fell off the front page. Also interesting IMO:
If the original traumatic events led to primary conditioning of flight or fight a triggering event may produce anxiety and high arousal. In contrast,if the conditioning was fright, flag, or faint it is more likely to experience dissociative symptoms which may include feeling overwhelmed, foggy, tired, shut-down, light-headed, nauseous, or numb.Such re-experiencing can take minutes or hours to recover from.
Fright: As we look further into the progression of trauma responses, we see that the fourth stage sets in when flight or fight do not restore safety. When there is no escape a “fright” takes over with feelings of panic dizziness, nausea, lightheadedness, tingling, and numbing. According to Schauer & Elbert (2010), this stage is considered to have “dual autonomic activation” seen in abrupt and disjointed alternations between sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system actions. It is in this stage that we see the initial symptoms of dissociation.
Flag: If there is still no resolution of the threatening situation you will progress into the fifth stage, “flag,” which is the collapse, helplessness, and despair that signals parasympathetic based nervous system shut-down and immobilization. Dissociative reactions dominate this phase. Voluntary movements including speech become more difficult, sounds become distant, vision blurs, and numbness prevails. The heart rate and blood pressure drop, sometimes rapidly, which in some cases leads to the sixth stage, “faint.”
Faint: The “faint” response appears to serve several purposes from an evolutionary and survival perspective. When the body succumbs to a horizontal position blood supply increases to the brain. Furthermore, fainting is connected to disgust; an emotional response which rejects toxic or poisonous material. According to Schauer & Elbert, experiencing or even witnessing horrific events such as forced physical or sexual violence can trigger vasovagal syncope (vagus nerve dysregulation) which promotes nausea, loss of bowel control, vomiting, and fainting.
Link:Flag: If there is still no resolution of the threatening situation you will progress into the fifth stage, “flag,” which is the collapse, helplessness, and despair that signals parasympathetic based nervous system shut-down and immobilization. Dissociative reactions dominate this phase. Voluntary movements including speech become more difficult, sounds become distant, vision blurs, and numbness prevails. The heart rate and blood pressure drop, sometimes rapidly, which in some cases leads to the sixth stage, “faint.”
Faint: The “faint” response appears to serve several purposes from an evolutionary and survival perspective. When the body succumbs to a horizontal position blood supply increases to the brain. Furthermore, fainting is connected to disgust; an emotional response which rejects toxic or poisonous material. According to Schauer & Elbert, experiencing or even witnessing horrific events such as forced physical or sexual violence can trigger vasovagal syncope (vagus nerve dysregulation) which promotes nausea, loss of bowel control, vomiting, and fainting.
https://drarielleschwartz.com/the-ne.../#.Y4etWnrMLb1
I'm cognitively aware that I experienced a couple of events that would fall under "flag"- medical in nature and not meant to be abusive/damaging.
I doubt too many people consider that having stressful medical treatments before you are 7 years old [threshold given in re: pre verbal trauma] could effect how you respond to stress as an adult.
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11-30-2022, 12:39 PM
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Beautiful read
I never had any traumatic events as a child. No anxiety. I wasn’t an alcoholic or an addict when I was a little DS. I was happy, super active in sports, and popular in school. I just feel guilt over some of the other kids I picked on back then.
As an adult, addiction happened, then now I feel anxiety. Alienation I see it. I am happier staying in now as an introvert to read op threads and misc whenever someone ask me to come out as s group of friends especially lol. Last time I went to see Star Wars with a group of people. Felt pretty alienated then.
I never had any traumatic events as a child. No anxiety. I wasn’t an alcoholic or an addict when I was a little DS. I was happy, super active in sports, and popular in school. I just feel guilt over some of the other kids I picked on back then.
As an adult, addiction happened, then now I feel anxiety. Alienation I see it. I am happier staying in now as an introvert to read op threads and misc whenever someone ask me to come out as s group of friends especially lol. Last time I went to see Star Wars with a group of people. Felt pretty alienated then.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
In this interview I learned a lot of new things. One of the most important is thatanxiety can present in many different ways. I knew that people could have ****tic symptoms of anxiety, like an upset stomach or anxiety attacks. I didn't know that anxiety could present as unease or anger.If you are a regular miscer I'm guessing there is at least an 80% chance that you could learn something useful to you ITT.
When I saw this title I clicked it thinking that it would be good information and might apply to my daughter. I've experienced some episodic anxiety in the past, but don't think of myself as "having anxiety". I already knew that anxiety originates in the body, not in the mind and I had learned that getting out of my head and being in my body is a really good thing for me though I've neglected it for years now- pretty much since I moved from MI to TX and lost my awesome walking trail and my beloved gym.
A key concept for me was that what we label as "anxiety" isalarmwhich is initiated when old wounds are triggered in some way. Dr. Kennedy says that "all anxiety is separation anxiety", meaning that this tape was recorded by our nervous system when we experienced painfully bad or insufficient parenting while we were small children.
This could be something obvious seeming like abuse or neglect, or it could be rooted in something much less intuitive like physical trauma which may have been accidental or medical in nature, or even just a mismatch between parent and child where a strong bond fails to form.
When I saw this title I clicked it thinking that it would be good information and might apply to my daughter. I've experienced some episodic anxiety in the past, but don't think of myself as "having anxiety". I already knew that anxiety originates in the body, not in the mind and I had learned that getting out of my head and being in my body is a really good thing for me though I've neglected it for years now- pretty much since I moved from MI to TX and lost my awesome walking trail and my beloved gym.
A key concept for me was that what we label as "anxiety" isalarmwhich is initiated when old wounds are triggered in some way. Dr. Kennedy says that "all anxiety is separation anxiety", meaning that this tape was recorded by our nervous system when we experienced painfully bad or insufficient parenting while we were small children.
This could be something obvious seeming like abuse or neglect, or it could be rooted in something much less intuitive like physical trauma which may have been accidental or medical in nature, or even just a mismatch between parent and child where a strong bond fails to form.
I'm going to natter on here as I do, but I highly suggest taking the time to watch or listen to the whole thing.
This interview was a real eye-opener about anxiety's multifaceted nature and its connection to early life experiences. Dr. Kennedy's perspective on anxiety as essentially separation anxiety due to past wounds was thought-provoking. The suggestion to watch or listen to the full interview is spot-on – there's so much to learn. If you're looking for expert help,Anxiety Therapy NYC might provide the understanding and guidance to navigate these complex emotions effectively.
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