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Trump admits he'd let Putin annex Ukraine to end war.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...raine-end-war/
But in another sense, just quoting Trump offering to give a part of Ukraine to Putin doesn't capture the magnitude of this situation.
The implications if this were to have happened? Destroy NATO and leave all of Europe vulnerable to Russian attack. America weakens its trade with China and India and these countries instead, strengthen a relationship with a newly emboldened Russia.
Russia would now dominate the Eastern hemisphere and rival the US.
It would aggravate WW3 more than anything else. I always said Trump's moves on foreign policy were clueless and supplicating to dictatorships and weakening America on a global scale, but the dude is a straight upcuck.
Donald Trump indicated that he may have “made a deal” allowing Russia to take over parts of Ukraine to end the war if he were president at the time of the invasion.
Mr Trump said it would have been an “at worst” scenario, and would not have happened because Putin would not have dared invade Ukraine at all if he had been in the White House.
The former president told Sean Hannity’s radio show: “Don’t forget, under Bush they take over Georgia, under Obama they took over Crimea. And, under Biden, they’re taking over everything. It looks like they’re going to take over everything, the whole thing, they’re going to go for the whole enchilada, they’re going for everything, that’s what it looks like to me.
“And, under Trump, you know what they took over? They took nothing, Russia. First time, first president in a long time. He [Putin] understood. He would have never done it.”
Mr Trump added: “That’s without even negotiating a deal. I could have negotiated. At worst, I could have made a deal to take over something, you know, there are certain areas that are Russian speaking areas, right, like, but you could have worked a deal. And now Ukraine is just being blown to smithereens.”
The former president said: “So many more people are dying than recorded and that’s something that never would have happened.”
‘Peace through strength’
Mr Trump has repeatedly said that the Ukraine invasion would not have taken place had he been re-elected in 2020.
He has said that it would have been prevented by his policy of “peace through strength”.
Mr Trump has also said that he could end the current war in “no longer than one day” if he was in the White House.
His latest comment came as Kevin McCarthy, the Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives, declined an invitation to visit President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv.
Mr Zelensky said the trip might change Mr McCarthy’s “assumptions” about US military aid to Ukraine.
However, Mr McCarthy said: “I will continue to get my briefings and others, but I don’t have to go to Ukraine or Kyiv to see it.
“And my point has always been, I won’t provide a blank cheque for anything.”
For starters, of course Putin wouldn't have invaded whilst Trump was in office. Why jeopardize having such a useful asset?Mr Trump said it would have been an “at worst” scenario, and would not have happened because Putin would not have dared invade Ukraine at all if he had been in the White House.
The former president told Sean Hannity’s radio show: “Don’t forget, under Bush they take over Georgia, under Obama they took over Crimea. And, under Biden, they’re taking over everything. It looks like they’re going to take over everything, the whole thing, they’re going to go for the whole enchilada, they’re going for everything, that’s what it looks like to me.
“And, under Trump, you know what they took over? They took nothing, Russia. First time, first president in a long time. He [Putin] understood. He would have never done it.”
Mr Trump added: “That’s without even negotiating a deal. I could have negotiated. At worst, I could have made a deal to take over something, you know, there are certain areas that are Russian speaking areas, right, like, but you could have worked a deal. And now Ukraine is just being blown to smithereens.”
The former president said: “So many more people are dying than recorded and that’s something that never would have happened.”
‘Peace through strength’
Mr Trump has repeatedly said that the Ukraine invasion would not have taken place had he been re-elected in 2020.
He has said that it would have been prevented by his policy of “peace through strength”.
Mr Trump has also said that he could end the current war in “no longer than one day” if he was in the White House.
His latest comment came as Kevin McCarthy, the Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives, declined an invitation to visit President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv.
Mr Zelensky said the trip might change Mr McCarthy’s “assumptions” about US military aid to Ukraine.
However, Mr McCarthy said: “I will continue to get my briefings and others, but I don’t have to go to Ukraine or Kyiv to see it.
“And my point has always been, I won’t provide a blank cheque for anything.”
But in another sense, just quoting Trump offering to give a part of Ukraine to Putin doesn't capture the magnitude of this situation.
The implications if this were to have happened? Destroy NATO and leave all of Europe vulnerable to Russian attack. America weakens its trade with China and India and these countries instead, strengthen a relationship with a newly emboldened Russia.
Russia would now dominate the Eastern hemisphere and rival the US.
It would aggravate WW3 more than anything else. I always said Trump's moves on foreign policy were clueless and supplicating to dictatorships and weakening America on a global scale, but the dude is a straight upcuck.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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youre such a dumbass i cant believe you think youre smart. annex ukraine vs annex parts of ukraine are 2 different things idiot. obama already let them annex part of it. what are you gonna do to stop russia anyway
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Originally Posted By davik⏩
youre such a dumbass i cant believe you think youre smart. annex ukraine vs annex parts of ukraine are 2 different things idiot. obama already let them annex part of it. what are you gonna do to stop russia anyway
Originally Posted By Ephedra⏩
Worthless comments and really not even worth posting.In almost 20 years posting in the RP this is one the dumbest OPs I've ever read.
100% dead srs.
100% dead srs.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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I would too.
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You never answered my question in a previous thread, Bodhy.
Which crap do you use to smear the walls with, the first one you take or the second one? I am dying to know.
Which crap do you use to smear the walls with, the first one you take or the second one? I am dying to know.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
A few things. Russiagate was a total fabrication. Trump is not an asset. I disagree strongly with destroying NATO, but we could have promised not to expand and given Russia Donetsk and Lugansk. We would have had better relations with Russia, China, and India if we had shut this war down. Putin would not have kept going. This war is not driven by revanchism. Otherwise, Putin would have militarized more aggressively. He is not planning to attack Europe. He could not even take Ukraine.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...raine-end-war/
For starters, of course Putin wouldn't have invaded whilst Trump was in office. Why jeopardize having such a useful asset?
But in another sense, just quoting Trump offering to give a part of Ukraine to Putin doesn't capture the magnitude of this situation.
The implications if this were to have happened? Destroy NATO and leave all of Europe vulnerable to Russian attack. America weakens its trade with China and India and these countries instead, strengthen a relationship with a newly emboldened Russia.
Russia would now dominate the Eastern hemisphere and rival the US.
It would aggravate WW3 more than anything else. I always said Trump's moves on foreign policy were clueless and supplicating to dictatorships and weakening America on a global scale, but the dude is a straight upcuck.
For starters, of course Putin wouldn't have invaded whilst Trump was in office. Why jeopardize having such a useful asset?
But in another sense, just quoting Trump offering to give a part of Ukraine to Putin doesn't capture the magnitude of this situation.
The implications if this were to have happened? Destroy NATO and leave all of Europe vulnerable to Russian attack. America weakens its trade with China and India and these countries instead, strengthen a relationship with a newly emboldened Russia.
Russia would now dominate the Eastern hemisphere and rival the US.
It would aggravate WW3 more than anything else. I always said Trump's moves on foreign policy were clueless and supplicating to dictatorships and weakening America on a global scale, but the dude is a straight upcuck.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
But Russia is historically a Europoean nation and a natural trading partner. Couldn't we also say the Russia today is largely the fault of the hubris of the West?A few things. Russiagate was a total fabrication. Trump is not an asset. I disagree strongly with destroying NATO, but we could have promised not to expand and given Russia Donetsk and Lugansk. We would have had better relations with Russia, China, and India if we had shut this war down. Putin would not have kept going. This war is not driven by revanchism. Otherwise, Putin would have militarized more aggressively. He is not planning to attck Europe. He could not even take Ukraine.
When communism failed and the USSR fell Russia applied to join NATO. They were LOLed at. Wasn't this a missed opportunity for peace?
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Yes and no. We needed to lay a concrete path for Russia to join NATO. But Russia also was and still is an authoritarian country. It could never meet NATO's requirements in the near future. (Neither can Ukraine for that matter, but that didn't stop us from cooperating with them militarily.)But Russia is historically a Europoean nation and a natural trading partner. Couldn't we also say the Russia today is largely the fault of the hubris of the West?
When communism failed and the USSR fell Russia applied to join NATO. They were LOLed at. Wasn't this a missed opportunity for peace?
When communism failed and the USSR fell Russia applied to join NATO. They were LOLed at. Wasn't this a missed opportunity for peace?
The real place we missed our shot at peace was in loan forgiveness. Jeffrey Sachs explains all of this in his talks. He says the IMF and World Bank sandbagged Russia at the behest of the White House and the Pentagon. Poland got some aid and debt relief and look how it is now. The austerity imposed on Russia after the fall of the USSR with no relief along with the plundering of their country and firesale of its resources by oligarchs led to the rise of Putin.
Even after Putin came to power, he wanted to cooperate with the West, but we snubbed Russia at every turn from 2003 onwards. The Bush administration pursued an "America first" policy to the extreme where we never bothered to ask Russia anything. After years of destabilizing the Middle East, jeopardizing Russia's partnerships, pulling out of treaties, and generally completely ignoring ther concerns, Putin became increasingly hostile.
Our regime change in Ukraine was the last straw.
Putin, I think rightly, believes the West is out to break up and destroy Russia because it is the only way to realistically disarm that nuclear juggernaut. They would then slowly integrate Russian nations into NATO piecemeal. Putin's greatest fear is another collapse the way the USSR collapsed.
As we continue to pledge that we wish for a stable world, we are still pushing to disarm and contain peers and expanding our military influence. This is why we have war.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Leave Europe vulnerable to Russian attack?https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...raine-end-war/
For starters, of course Putin wouldn't have invaded whilst Trump was in office. Why jeopardize having such a useful asset?
But in another sense, just quoting Trump offering to give a part of Ukraine to Putin doesn't capture the magnitude of this situation.
The implications if this were to have happened? Destroy NATO and leave all of Europe vulnerable to Russian attack. America weakens its trade with China and India and these countries instead, strengthen a relationship with a newly emboldened Russia.
Russia would now dominate the Eastern hemisphere and rival the US.
It would aggravate WW3 more than anything else. I always said Trump's moves on foreign policy were clueless and supplicating to dictatorships and weakening America on a global scale, but the dude is a straight upcuck.
For starters, of course Putin wouldn't have invaded whilst Trump was in office. Why jeopardize having such a useful asset?
But in another sense, just quoting Trump offering to give a part of Ukraine to Putin doesn't capture the magnitude of this situation.
The implications if this were to have happened? Destroy NATO and leave all of Europe vulnerable to Russian attack. America weakens its trade with China and India and these countries instead, strengthen a relationship with a newly emboldened Russia.
Russia would now dominate the Eastern hemisphere and rival the US.
It would aggravate WW3 more than anything else. I always said Trump's moves on foreign policy were clueless and supplicating to dictatorships and weakening America on a global scale, but the dude is a straight upcuck.
where have you been the last year?
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And we should care because..?
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Lol, you are stupidThe implications if this were to have happened? Destroy NATO and leave all of Europe vulnerable to Russian attack. America weakens its trade with China and India and these countries instead, strengthen a relationship with a newly emboldened Russia.
Russia would now dominate the Eastern hemisphere and rival the US.
Russia would now dominate the Eastern hemisphere and rival the US.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Agree. The OP is so dumb it should have been ignored.Worthless comments and really not even worth posting.
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Holy fukking retarded thread
Let's use hypothetical scenarios to attack a former president
fkng moron chit smearing New Zealander
Worthless thread is worthless
Let's use hypothetical scenarios to attack a former president
fkng moron chit smearing New Zealander
Worthless thread is worthless
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Originally Posted By bluebeltATT⏩
I mean Trump himself was musing over both what he would have done and what he would do now. It's fair to debate the foreign policy. Trump will most likely be the GOP nominee. So, it looks like foreign policy will be a major issue for the next election.Holy fukking retarded thread
Let's use hypothetical scenarios to attack a former president
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Let's use hypothetical scenarios to attack a former president
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Worthless thread is worthless
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I love how some leftist from NZ, Is telling us what needs to be done.
Also, how would the entire NATO organization fall apart from Russia annexing a small part of Ukraine?
Also, how would the entire NATO organization fall apart from Russia annexing a small part of Ukraine?
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Agree, but the tired and moronic, "tRuMP iS A rUSsIAn aSsEtT!!!" slant by Bodhy just dropped a big turd in the entire conversation to begin with. It's like these war mongers can't just have a straight up conversation and debate the merits of peace vs conflict on it's own without making up bullchit or theoretical things to justify their desire for blood and war. Just like every time we beat the war drums, it's always Hitler 2.0, Saddam, Ghedaffi, Ali Khamenei, Putin, whoever is in charge in Syria, etc... Hitlers everywhere.I mean Trump himself was musing over both what he would have done and what he would do now. It's fair to debate the foreign policy. Trump will most likely be the GOP nominee. So, it looks like foreign policy will be a major issue for the next election.
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
It wouldn't and nowhere in Bodhy's rant did he acknowledge the aggressive foreign policy which assuredly was a factor in Russia's invasion to begin with. Nor does he seem to care about Obama allowing just that years back. Only now does it matter?I love how some leftist from NZ, Is telling us what needs to be done.
Also, how would the entire NATO organization fall apart from Russia annexing a small part of Ukraine?
Also, how would the entire NATO organization fall apart from Russia annexing a small part of Ukraine?
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Can he explain how Trump was a Russian asset?Agree, but the tired and moronic, "tRuMP iS A rUSsIAn aSsEtT!!!" slant by Bodhy just dropped a big turd in the entire conversation to begin with. It's like these war mongers can't just have a straight up conversation and debate the merits of peace vs conflict on it's own without making up bullchit or theoretical things to justify their desire for blood and war. Just like every time we beat the war drums, it's always Hitler 2.0, Saddam, Ghedaffi, Ali Khamenei, Putin, whoever is in charge in Syria, etc... Hitlers everywhere.
It wouldn't and nowhere in Bodhy's rant did he acknowledge the aggressive foreign policy which assuredly was a factor in Russia's invasion to begin with. No does he seem to care about Obama allowing just that years back. Only now does it matter?
It wouldn't and nowhere in Bodhy's rant did he acknowledge the aggressive foreign policy which assuredly was a factor in Russia's invasion to begin with. No does he seem to care about Obama allowing just that years back. Only now does it matter?
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Thanks for being the only person ITT who attempted an actual discussion instead of throwing child-tier insults around.I mean Trump himself was musing over both what he would have done and what he would do now. It's fair to debate the foreign policy. Trump will most likely be the GOP nominee. So, it looks like foreign policy will be a major issue for the next election.
I've long been a critic of Trump's foreign policy and a great example of him being out of his element. Your thoughts?
FWIW, too, I wasn't claiming Trump was a literal puppet in for Putin and they colluded to do devious chit. I'm saying Trump was a useful idiot which Putin wanted in the WH regardless of Trump's knowledge of Putin's geopolitical ambitions. Because Trump, more than anything, is fundamentally polarizing. He foments division and hatred and partisanship.
Putin wants to destroy Western democracy by destabilizing the country along partisan lines and supporting isolationist tendencies in US politics. Trump doesn't need to be in on it. Trump functions just as well being a useful idiot.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
You claimed that if small parts of Ukraine were annexed, that it would lead to the fall of NATO, and that Russia would somehow steamroll through the rest of Europe.Thanks for being the only person ITT who attempted an actual discussion instead of throwing child-tier insults around.
I've long been a critic of Trump's foreign policy and a great example of him being out of his element. Your thoughts?
FWIW, too, I wasn't claiming Trump was a literal puppet in for Putin and they colluded to do devious chit. I'm saying Trump was a useful idiot which Putin wanted in the WH regardless of Trump's knowledge of Putin's geopolitical ambitions. Because Trump, more than anything, is fundamentally polarizing. He foments division and hatred and partisanship.
Putin wants to destroy Western democracy by destabilizing the country along partisan lines and supporting isolationist tendencies in US politics. Trump doesn't need to be in on it. Trump functions just as well being a useful idiot.
I've long been a critic of Trump's foreign policy and a great example of him being out of his element. Your thoughts?
FWIW, too, I wasn't claiming Trump was a literal puppet in for Putin and they colluded to do devious chit. I'm saying Trump was a useful idiot which Putin wanted in the WH regardless of Trump's knowledge of Putin's geopolitical ambitions. Because Trump, more than anything, is fundamentally polarizing. He foments division and hatred and partisanship.
Putin wants to destroy Western democracy by destabilizing the country along partisan lines and supporting isolationist tendencies in US politics. Trump doesn't need to be in on it. Trump functions just as well being a useful idiot.
You make a false claim like this, and don't expect to be insulted?
As for fomenting division, hatred, and partisanship, you believe Biden is some kind of uniter???
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
I haven't insulted you itt, odd you only give credit to Wincel.Thanks for being the only person ITT who attempted an actual discussion instead of throwing child-tier insults around.
I've long been a critic of Trump's foreign policy and a great example of him being out of his element. Your thoughts?
FWIW, too, I wasn't claiming Trump was a literal puppet in for Putin and they colluded to do devious chit. I'm saying Trump was a useful idiot which Putin wanted in the WH regardless of Trump's knowledge of Putin's geopolitical ambitions. Because Trump, more than anything, is fundamentally polarizing. He foments division and hatred and partisanship.
Putin wants to destroy Western democracy by destabilizing the country along partisan lines and supporting isolationist tendencies in US politics. Trump doesn't need to be in on it. Trump functions just as well being a useful idiot.
I've long been a critic of Trump's foreign policy and a great example of him being out of his element. Your thoughts?
FWIW, too, I wasn't claiming Trump was a literal puppet in for Putin and they colluded to do devious chit. I'm saying Trump was a useful idiot which Putin wanted in the WH regardless of Trump's knowledge of Putin's geopolitical ambitions. Because Trump, more than anything, is fundamentally polarizing. He foments division and hatred and partisanship.
Putin wants to destroy Western democracy by destabilizing the country along partisan lines and supporting isolationist tendencies in US politics. Trump doesn't need to be in on it. Trump functions just as well being a useful idiot.
Is Trump out of his element? That is a thread and discussion in and of it's own. Briefly, if I am putting together Fire fighter station #8: do you take someone who is an expert at arson or someone who has never put out a fire in their life but seems to want to do it? Trump's rhetoric was in the right direction (sometimes), Vs the usual neo-cons and war mongering scum who are pawns of the MIC? I don't see being experienced as the most important thing here by a long shot, I'll take someone earnest in reigning in our destructive influence and who might want peace even if they were not as seasoned.
Also, to your reframing of Trump being an asset of Putin, disagree with this stance as well, but at least it's your opinion and not a direct statement of insanity as you original presented it. You do that quite often, make a dumb statement, get called on it and then reword it to be less offensive, but whatever, I guess I should just be happy there is one liberal in these forums at least willing to indirectly admit a mistake via goalpost shifting.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
You would think that even doc philosophy would realize he immediately invalidates himself with that chestnut.Agree, but the tired and moronic, "tRuMP iS A rUSsIAn aSsEtT!!!" slant by Bodhy just dropped a big turd in the entire conversation to begin with. It's like these war mongers can't just have a straight up conversation and debate the merits of peace vs conflict on it's own without making up bullchit or theoretical things to justify their desire for blood and war. Just like every time we beat the war drums, it's always Hitler 2.0, Saddam, Ghedaffi, Ali Khamenei, Putin, whoever is in charge in Syria, etc... Hitlers everywhere.
It wouldn't and nowhere in Bodhy's rant did he acknowledge the aggressive foreign policy which assuredly was a factor in Russia's invasion to begin with. Nor does he seem to care about Obama allowing just that years back. Only now does it matter?
It wouldn't and nowhere in Bodhy's rant did he acknowledge the aggressive foreign policy which assuredly was a factor in Russia's invasion to begin with. Nor does he seem to care about Obama allowing just that years back. Only now does it matter?
A piece of nobody-gives-a-damn Ukraine in exchange fornotcontinuing the most suspicious American proxy war effort since the last one, or the one before that, or the one beforethatat the expense ofourcountryand- whether the warclucks can believe it or not - actual Ukrainian civilians who are watching as their homes and entire nation gets systematically destroyed. Not other European nations, and certainly not Emutopia, which isn't worth acknowledging for most of the planet. Even Kim Jong Un would find himself above bothering with Australia.
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My dark grave awaits, my fate is revealed - But I'm not afraid to die
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03-13-2023, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Didn't he actually send more aid to Ukraine than Obama? Talk about a Russian asset......I haven't insulted you itt, odd you only give credit to Wincel.
Is Trump out of his element? That is a thread and discussion in and of it's own. Briefly, if I am putting together Fire fighter station #8: do you take someone who is an expert at arson or someone who has never put out a fire in their life but seems to want to do it? Trump's rhetoric was in the right direction (sometimes), Vs the usual neo-cons and war mongering scum who are pawns of the MIC? I don't see being experienced as the most important thing here by a long shot, I'll take someone earnest in reigning in our destructive influence and who might want peace even if they were not as seasoned.
Also, to your reframing of Trump being an asset of Putin, disagree with this stance as well, but at least it's your opinion and not a direct statement of insanity as you original presented it. You do that quite often, make a dumb statement, get called on it and then reword it to be less offensive, but whatever, I guess I should just be happy there is one liberal in these forums at least willing to indirectly admit a mistake via goalpost shifting.
Is Trump out of his element? That is a thread and discussion in and of it's own. Briefly, if I am putting together Fire fighter station #8: do you take someone who is an expert at arson or someone who has never put out a fire in their life but seems to want to do it? Trump's rhetoric was in the right direction (sometimes), Vs the usual neo-cons and war mongering scum who are pawns of the MIC? I don't see being experienced as the most important thing here by a long shot, I'll take someone earnest in reigning in our destructive influence and who might want peace even if they were not as seasoned.
Also, to your reframing of Trump being an asset of Putin, disagree with this stance as well, but at least it's your opinion and not a direct statement of insanity as you original presented it. You do that quite often, make a dumb statement, get called on it and then reword it to be less offensive, but whatever, I guess I should just be happy there is one liberal in these forums at least willing to indirectly admit a mistake via goalpost shifting.
03-13-2023, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
He also extorted them into digging up dirt on his rival candidate by threatening to deprive them of much needed military aid.Didn't he actually send more aid to Ukraine than Obama? Talk about a Russian asset......
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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