MSNBC released new audio of Rudy Giuliani admitting to Fox News’ host Maria Bartiromo that he had difficulty backing claims of Dominion Voting Systems’ involvement in election fraud. The recordings, revealed on Wednesday, also include audio of a Trump campaign official saying that when the Secretary of State did his Georgia audit, “there weren’t any physical issues with [Dominion] machines on those inspections.”

The release of the audio comes in the throes of Dominion’s $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit over Fox’s attempts to link the company to nonexistent election fraud. Earlier on Wednesday, Delaware Judge Eric Davis sanctioned Fox News after the company was caught withholding evidence from Dominion’s lawyers, including recorded conversations with Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell.

Wagner also shared an audio snippet between a Fox News producer and Trump campaign official on December 5, 2020. “Have any of the machines been looked at? [Steve Bannon] had said that one was looked at in Georgia,” the producer asks, which prompts the official to go off the record.

“When the Secretary of State did its audit, there was a lot, I think a fair bit of looking at the machines,” says the Trump official. “The audit came in pretty darn close to what the machine count was with the receipts. So, I don’t know the outcome of those, but our understanding, again, this is from the Secretary of State’s Office, was that there weren’t any physical issues with machines on those inspections.”

In a 2020 email submitted as evidence in defamation lawsuit against Fox News, network CEO Suzanne Scott was concerned that the Fox’s insistence on fact-checking bogus claims of election fraud was “bad for business.” Dominion has accused the network of maliciously aiding in the spread of false conspiracy theories regarding its role in the 2020 election.

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