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04-21-2023, 01:34 AM
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Another Xbox L, Hi-Fi Rush failed to meet expectations.
Jeff Grubb on Hi-Fi Rush: "Based on what I've heard, it just didn't make the money it needed to make"
Jeff mentions how there may still be a performance expectation for games despite being on Game Pass, and that a far bigger game like Halo Infinite ultimately failing to provide a cushion of sorts by bringing in tons of money may hurt games like Hi-Fi Rush. We have heard statements like these before with the most recent being from Sony on how even Call of Duty helps to fund their first party content. Or how huge successes like Spider-Man, Zelda, etc... allow room for comparatively smaller successes or experiments that don't work out.
Call of Duty could serve that role for Microsoft (assuming the ABK deal goes through), but Jeff says it still feels like Microsoft's decision making in regard to game management is handled sloppily.
Jeff also mentions that management is not happy with the state of Xbox. He doesn't go into more detail about that specifically, but says commentary regarding any dissatisfaction with Xbox is more to acknowledge and diagnose issues it has because they matter.
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22:25-24:50 = Hi-Fi Rush
29:38-30:25 = Management unhappy
https://www.youtube.com/live/gPqRD1S...e=share&t=1345
Jeff mentions how there may still be a performance expectation for games despite being on Game Pass, and that a far bigger game like Halo Infinite ultimately failing to provide a cushion of sorts by bringing in tons of money may hurt games like Hi-Fi Rush. We have heard statements like these before with the most recent being from Sony on how even Call of Duty helps to fund their first party content. Or how huge successes like Spider-Man, Zelda, etc... allow room for comparatively smaller successes or experiments that don't work out.
Call of Duty could serve that role for Microsoft (assuming the ABK deal goes through), but Jeff says it still feels like Microsoft's decision making in regard to game management is handled sloppily.
Jeff also mentions that management is not happy with the state of Xbox. He doesn't go into more detail about that specifically, but says commentary regarding any dissatisfaction with Xbox is more to acknowledge and diagnose issues it has because they matter.
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22:25-24:50 = Hi-Fi Rush
29:38-30:25 = Management unhappy
https://www.youtube.com/live/gPqRD1S...e=share&t=1345
04-21-2023, 03:01 AM
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Yea no chit. Just another cringe lord weeaboo poverty cartoon graphics game. Xcucks are proper cringe how they cling on to these chitty titles as if they can hold a candle to anything Sony puts out. Remember when they were raving about that trash weedcel rick and morty inspired game? Lmao
Hfw dlc dropped the other day which is just gonna obliterate all of these Gaypass filler titles. They're the equivalent of Netflix straight to Dvd movies
Hfw dlc dropped the other day which is just gonna obliterate all of these Gaypass filler titles. They're the equivalent of Netflix straight to Dvd movies
04-21-2023, 03:50 AM
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First Bowser gets rekt by Nintendo and now some fat fk named "Grubb" gets posted. Strong last names lately.
04-21-2023, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted By mgftp⏩
Yeah gamepass is cucking their own games.Make the expected money? How is that even determined? Wasn't it free on GamePass?
Wonder how long the gamepass business model will last, especially when they put new games on there.
04-21-2023, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
They've said it's profitable.Yeah gamepass is cucking their own games.
Wonder how long the gamepass business model will last, especially when they put new games on there.
Wonder how long the gamepass business model will last, especially when they put new games on there.
They haven't even felt the need to end the loophole to get GP cheap so I'm guessing it's doing pretty well in their eyes.
04-21-2023, 04:58 AM
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I saw a post once where someone gave insight into why gamepass can be a problem for MS. It said that their bigger releases go directly to gamepass, and as such aren't dependent on selling copies. As a result, there's little to no incentive to work hard and create a product that is worth $70 to gamers. Conversely, Sony needs games to sell many copies, they need their exclusives to be praised and put in much more effort towards high quality releases.
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04-21-2023, 05:01 AM
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Isnt the whole point of Gamepass to be able to play for "free" on a subscription?
I can't imagine why anyone would want to go pay for that title when they can play it for free.
The bigger question is how sustainable will this model be for Microsoft? you can have all the money in the world but if you're not making any more money in general + off gamepass then the titles that you're gonna be served is all gonna be bottom of the barrel type stuff.
I can't imagine why anyone would want to go pay for that title when they can play it for free.
The bigger question is how sustainable will this model be for Microsoft? you can have all the money in the world but if you're not making any more money in general + off gamepass then the titles that you're gonna be served is all gonna be bottom of the barrel type stuff.
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04-21-2023, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted By Coal
So what you're saying is that Sony encourages hard working capitalists and rewards merit while xcels are bunch of lazy commies that want everything to be handed to them on a plate?I saw a post once where someone gave insight into why gamepass can be a problem for MS. It said that their bigger releases go directly to gamepass, and as such aren't dependent on selling copies. As a result, there's little to no incentive to work hard and create a product that is worth $70 to gamers. Conversely, Sony needs games to sell many copies, they need their exclusives to be praised and put in much more effort towards high quality releases.
damn, so Jay cant go off having rants about the left and libs anymore.
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04-21-2023, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted By bongowongo⏩
Yeah I think they are taking big losses right now but can only hang on in the gaming scene because of all their money. If Sony was trying the MS strat they would be fuking DONE, even worse than mgftp in that other thread.So what you're saying is that Sony encourages hard working capitalists and rewards, merit while xcels are bunch of lazy commies that want everything to be handed to them on a plate?
damn, so Jay cant go off having rants about the left and libs anymore.
damn, so Jay cant go off having rants about the left and libs anymore.
Imagine having to work hard for your money, Lmao @ Sonycels.
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Originally Posted By Coal
Doesn't make any sense. MS owns these companies so why wouldn't they want them to work hard and put out good games for the service they're selling?I saw a post once where someone gave insight into why gamepass can be a problem for MS. It said that their bigger releases go directly to gamepass, and as such aren't dependent on selling copies. As a result,there's little to no incentive to work hard and create a product that is worth $70 to gamers. Conversely, Sony needs games to sell many copies, they need their exclusives to be praised and put in much more effort towards high quality releases.
Not all games need to be $70 either. Hi-Fi Rush isn't. It's worth mixing some low budget games in.
04-21-2023, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted By WHChampion⏩
Because your gamepass sub is secured regardless.Doesn't make any sense. MS owns these companies so why wouldn't they want them to work hard and put out good games for the service they're selling?
Sony needs us to buy GOW Ragnarok so it has to be a very compelling release to convince gamers to fork over $70 for it.
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04-21-2023, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted By Coal
Brah subscriptions can be cancelled.Because your gamepass sub is secured regardless.
Sony needs us to buy GOW Ragnarok so it has to be a very compelling release to convince gamers to fork over $70 for it.
Sony needs us to buy GOW Ragnarok so it has to be a very compelling release to convince gamers to fork over $70 for it.
Why would MS want their employees to not "work hard"?
04-21-2023, 05:56 AM
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Seems like a nothingburger:https://www.trueachievements.com/n52...ango-gameworks
and in general, if anything, ms’s first party quality has improved this generation vs last. You’ll laugh or make whatever comment, but their “quality” has in general been high. It hasn’t been “a couple avg games a year”, that’s not going to get people to stay subscribed
Originally Posted By Coal
it’s one of the most acclaimed games of the year. Vast majority of the buzz about the quality of this game has been very positive.I saw a post once where someone gave insight into why gamepass can be a problem for MS. It said that their bigger releases go directly to gamepass, and as such aren't dependent on selling copies. As a result, there's little to no incentive to work hard and create a product that is worth $70 to gamers. Conversely, Sony needs games to sell many copies, they need their exclusives to be praised and put in much more effort towards high quality releases.
and in general, if anything, ms’s first party quality has improved this generation vs last. You’ll laugh or make whatever comment, but their “quality” has in general been high. It hasn’t been “a couple avg games a year”, that’s not going to get people to stay subscribed
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04-21-2023, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted By WHChampion⏩
On a game by game basis, the incentive just isn't there. I'm really not sure if you're trolling me brah, lol.Brah subscriptions can be cancelled.
Why would MS want their employees to not "work hard"?
Why would MS want their employees to not "work hard"?
If Sony exclusives don't convince gamers to fork over $70, Sony is FUKKED. That kind of money for one game is alot for the average gamer.
Meanwhile MS games go straight to gamepass. If you're CEO of the company that makes these games, you won't be as pressured because you don't have to sell your game @70 a pop to be successful. At that point you're probably more interested in churning out two average games over one masterpiece.
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04-21-2023, 06:05 AM
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Yet it didn't meet the response they were hoping for according to article in the OP.Seems like a nothingburger:https://www.trueachievements.com/n52...ango-gameworks
it’s one of the most acclaimed games of the year. Vast majority of the buzz about the quality of this game has been very positive.
and in general, if anything, ms’s first party quality has improved this generation vs last. You’ll laugh or make whatever comment, but their “quality” has in general been high.
it’s one of the most acclaimed games of the year. Vast majority of the buzz about the quality of this game has been very positive.
and in general, if anything, ms’s first party quality has improved this generation vs last. You’ll laugh or make whatever comment, but their “quality” has in general been high.
Let's pretend MS was as poverty as Sony and had to sell this game to make profits. What price do you think they would have to put Hi-Fi Rush to be a significant success?
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Originally Posted By Coal
Hold on I was talking about quality. Terrible games can sell very well and great games don’t always sellYet it didn't meet the response they were hoping for according to article in the OP.
Let's pretend MS was as poverty as Sony and had to sell this game to make profits. What price do you think they would have to put Hi-Fi Rush to be a significant success?
Let's pretend MS was as poverty as Sony and had to sell this game to make profits. What price do you think they would have to put Hi-Fi Rush to be a significant success?
And I just shared an article with an actual internal email that I would say holds more weight than grubb’s comments
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04-21-2023, 06:11 AM
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Name 3 great games that didn't sell well.Hold on I was talking about quality. Terrible games can sell very well and great games don’t always sell
And I just shared an article with an actual internal email that I would say holds more weight than grubb’s comments
And I just shared an article with an actual internal email that I would say holds more weight than grubb’s comments
And not great according to just you(to remove personal bias), but general gamer consensus.
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Originally Posted By Coal
MS needs to convince subscribers to keep paying so of course they have an incentive to make quality games.On a game by game basis, the incentive just isn't there. I'm really not sure if you're trolling me brah, lol.
If Sony exclusives don't convince gamers to fork over $70, Sony is FUKKED. That kind of money for one game is alot for the average gamer.
Meanwhile MS games go straight to gamepass. If you're CEO of the company that makes these games, you won't be as pressured because you don't have to sell your game @70 a pop to be successful. At that point you're probably more interested in churning out two average games over one masterpiece.
If Sony exclusives don't convince gamers to fork over $70, Sony is FUKKED. That kind of money for one game is alot for the average gamer.
Meanwhile MS games go straight to gamepass. If you're CEO of the company that makes these games, you won't be as pressured because you don't have to sell your game @70 a pop to be successful. At that point you're probably more interested in churning out two average games over one masterpiece.
They're not going to stand around while companies they own slack off and throw paper airplanes at each other instead of making quality games.
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Originally Posted By Coal
General consensus (aggregate reviews) is generally the only way I’ll say a game is high quality. I’m not just talking out my asz when I say Ms first party quality has overall improved a lotName 3 great games that didn't sell well.
And not great according to just you(to remove personal bias), but general gamer consensus.
And not great according to just you(to remove personal bias), but general gamer consensus.
It happens often…. Sales and quality are two distinct things.
-returnal
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But I’m not sure why you’re asking since you don’t think Hifi rush did well commercially, but “general consensus” is it’s one of the best games of the year.
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04-21-2023, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted By ScramFranklin⏩
Sounds like reaching. Returnal was a massive hit, hell even I bought and loved it @ full price.General consensus (aggregate reviews) is generally the only way I’ll say a game is high quality. I’m not just talking out my asz when I say Ms first party quality has overall improved a lot
It happens often…. Sales and quality are two distinct things.
-returnal
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-Okami
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It happens often…. Sales and quality are two distinct things.
-returnal
-Mario and rabbids 2
-Okami
-beyond good and evil
I'm not focusing on critic reviews here because critics don't buy the games. They receive free copies (often accompanied by company favor) and therefore have incentive to be biased.
If gamers need to buy the games, can you name one game that the gaming community truly loved but was also unsuccessful?
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Bayonetta
Earthbound
Bloodborne
There's a lot of great games that didn't move a ton of units. The PS1 alone is full of them which is why those games are so damn expensive.
Sales is kind of a weird metric since not everything is designed like Marvel movies where they moneymax in development and advertising to appeal to the largest audience possible.
Earthbound
Bloodborne
There's a lot of great games that didn't move a ton of units. The PS1 alone is full of them which is why those games are so damn expensive.
Sales is kind of a weird metric since not everything is designed like Marvel movies where they moneymax in development and advertising to appeal to the largest audience possible.
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Originally Posted By Coal
I don’t think I’m reaching at all.Sounds like reaching. Returnal was a massive hit, hell even I bought and loved it @ full price.
I'm not focusing on critic reviews here because critics don't buy the games, they receive free copies and sometimes favor and therefore have incentive to be biased.
If gamers need to buy the games, can you name one game that the gaming community truly loved but was also unsuccessful?
I'm not focusing on critic reviews here because critics don't buy the games, they receive free copies and sometimes favor and therefore have incentive to be biased.
If gamers need to buy the games, can you name one game that the gaming community truly loved but was also unsuccessful?
I wouldn’t say returnal was a massive commercial hit at all, but it is good
And critics receive games all the time, but only rate certain games well. I have never seen any correlation of “games critics receives vs games critics rate well”. Far cry 6 and forspoken didn’t review well. Cod often doesn’t review well. Resident evil 6. And in general, critic reception and gamer reception are aligned fairly well (I don’t mean metacritic user reviews, as people just use those to troll, and you don’t have to have played the game, and can make multiple accounts)
And yea, same list.
And again, I’m not sure why you’re asking since you don’t think Hifi rush did well commercially, but “general consensus” is it’s one of the best games of the year.
This is going to go anywhere, I don’t know why I even bothered replying in the first place. We just disagree
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04-21-2023, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted By ScramFranklin⏩
Sure. Not starting a fight here, I just think the difference is you place alot of emphasis on critics and I place more emphasis on gamers. My reasoning is that at the end of the day, critics can grandstand and have incentive to go viral for their own gain, but ultimately gamers/fans are the ones who put their money on the line and that speaks volumes more to me.I don’t think I’m reaching at all.
I wouldn’t say returnal was a massive commercial hit, but it is good
And critics receive games all the time, but only rate certain games well. I have never seen any correlation of “games critics receives vs games critics rate well”. Far cry 6 and forspoken didn’t review well. Cod often doesn’t review well. Resident evil 6. And in general, critic reception and gamer reception are aligned fairly well (I don’t mean metacritic user reviews, as people just use those to troll, and you don’t have to have played the game, and can make multiple accounts)
And yea, same list.
And again, I’m not sure why you’re asking since you don’t think Hifi rush did well commercially, but “general consensus” is it’s one of the best games of the year.
This is going to go anywhere, I don’t know why I even bothered replying in the first place. We just disagree
I wouldn’t say returnal was a massive commercial hit, but it is good
And critics receive games all the time, but only rate certain games well. I have never seen any correlation of “games critics receives vs games critics rate well”. Far cry 6 and forspoken didn’t review well. Cod often doesn’t review well. Resident evil 6. And in general, critic reception and gamer reception are aligned fairly well (I don’t mean metacritic user reviews, as people just use those to troll, and you don’t have to have played the game, and can make multiple accounts)
And yea, same list.
And again, I’m not sure why you’re asking since you don’t think Hifi rush did well commercially, but “general consensus” is it’s one of the best games of the year.
This is going to go anywhere, I don’t know why I even bothered replying in the first place. We just disagree
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Originally Posted By Coal
Alright then steam reviews. That way we know the gamer actually bought the game and spent some time playing it. I think steam reviews often align with critic reviews, and the lists from before are still similarSure. Not starting a fight here, I just think the difference is you place alot of emphasis on critics and I place more emphasis on gamers. My reasoning is that at the end of the day, critics can grandstand and have incentive to go viral for their own gain, but ultimately gamers/fans are the ones who put their money on the line and that speaks volumes more to me.
Hifi rush is at a “97% positive” on there. The buzz for it on YouTube and online has been overall very positive
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So op is frauding and hi fi was a commercial success?Alright then steam reviews. That way we know the gamer actually bought the game and spent some time playing it. I think steam reviews often align with critic reviews, and the lists from before are still similar
Hifi rush is at a “97% positive” on there. The buzz for it on YouTube and online has been overall very positive
Hifi rush is at a “97% positive” on there. The buzz for it on YouTube and online has been overall very positive
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Originally Posted By Coal
We don’t know. But the article I linked above with an actual internal email seems that it didn’t do as poorly as Grubb saidSo op is frauding and hi fi was a commercial success?
I was just talking about quality of the game, no matter which way it sold.
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04-21-2023, 11:22 AM
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That and it's been one of the premier GamePass titles for selling the service. Opie must be retarded.Not sure what they expect sales to be when the game is free.
It's been praised on every corner of every gaming outlet as a goty contender, so it's not like it's some failure.
It's been praised on every corner of every gaming outlet as a goty contender, so it's not like it's some failure.
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Shinji Mikami's games have been pretty stellar.
It doesn't appeal to me because I'm not a teen, but from the trailer Hi-Fi Rush looks pretty fun and the cel shaded graphics are quality.
Thing is, it's not based on any IP and there's tons of junk coming out all the time for Gamepass so who's even gonna find out about it?
And it looks like a cross between Devil May Cry and.. Mega Man Zero? I can't really tell.
If you know Mikami's resume, this has Capcom, Capcom 5, Platinum Games, and Clover Studios written all over it.
So throw Viewtiful Joe into the pile too of games it looks like.
It doesn't appeal to me because I'm not a teen, but from the trailer Hi-Fi Rush looks pretty fun and the cel shaded graphics are quality.
Thing is, it's not based on any IP and there's tons of junk coming out all the time for Gamepass so who's even gonna find out about it?
And it looks like a cross between Devil May Cry and.. Mega Man Zero? I can't really tell.
If you know Mikami's resume, this has Capcom, Capcom 5, Platinum Games, and Clover Studios written all over it.
So throw Viewtiful Joe into the pile too of games it looks like.
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