https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/italy-...loni-1.6841048

Savage capitalism is stopping Italians from having kids, says Pope

Pontiff says pets are replacing children in some households

Starting a family in Italy is becoming a "titanic effort" that only the rich can afford, Pope Francis said on Friday, warning that "savage" free-market conditions were preventing the young from having children.

Births in Italy dropped below 400,000 in 2022, registering a 14th consecutive annual fall, with the overall population declining by 179,000 to 58.85 million. Italy's fertility rate of 1.24 children per woman is among the lowest in the world.

Speaking at a conference on the growing demographic crisis, Pope Francis said the declining birthrate signalled a lack of hope in the future, with younger generations weighed down by a sense of uncertainty, fragility and precariousness.

"Difficulty in finding a stable job, difficulty in keeping one, prohibitively expensive houses, sky-high rents and insufficient wages are real problems," he said on Friday, sitting alongside Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni.

"The free market, without the necessary corrective measures, becomes savage and produces increasingly serious situations and inequalities," he added.

Francis acknowledged that there were "almost insurmountable constraints" on young women forced to choose between their career and motherhood. Given the high costs involved in raising children, people were revising their priorities, he added.

Italy recorded a record low number of live births last year, 392,598, which combined with an elevated number of deaths, 713,499, has accelerated the demographic trend that threatens to crash the country's social security system.

For context, Canada registered 367,684 live births in 2021, but Italy has approximately 20 million more people overall and over the past decade has taken in fewer immigrants per year than Canada. Italy ranked ahead of only South Korea in birth rates according to 2020 data of the 38 countries that make up the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), while Canada ranked in the bottom half.

A shrinking population is a major worry for the eurozone's third-largest country, with the economy minister warning this week that Italy's GDP risked dropping by 18 percentage points over the next two decades if current birth trends continued.

The education minister said on Thursday current demographics suggested that Italy's school population was set to shrink by one million over the next 10 years.

Divergence on immigration

Meloni campaigned on a "God, family and homeland" platform. Her government is backing a campaign to encourage at least 500,000 births annually by 2033, a rate that demographers say is necessary to prevent the economy from collapsing by growing the wage-earning population as retirees draw on their pensions.

Meloni, who has a daughter with her partner, told the family association congress that it was time to reverse the trend. But she said it must be done without resorting to surrogacy, hitting on broader political talking points that have surrounded the demographic debate in Italy as well as the government's crackdown on migrants and aversion to registering children of same-sex couples.

"We want a nation where it is no longer scandalous to say that — whatever the legitimate, free choices, inclinations of each person — we are all born of a man or a woman," Meloni said to applause. "Where it is not taboo to say that motherhood is not for sale, that wombs are not for rent and children are not over-the-counter products that you can choose on the shelf as if you were in the supermarket and maybe return if then the product does not match what you expect."

The pontiff and the Italian premier have less common ground when it comes to immigration.

"Immigrants are to be welcomed, accompanied, promoted and integrated," Francis said on last year's Catholic Church World Day of Migrants and Refugees, in September.

Meloni and her alliance have vowed to resume a strict crackdown on migrants coming to Italy via Libyan-based smugglers.

Meanwhile, a member of her Brothers of Italy party was criticized by the opposition Democratic Party last month for comments "reminiscent of the fascist regime of Benito Mussolini."

"Italians are having fewer children, so we're replacing them with someone else," Agriculture and Food Sovereignty Minister Francesco Lollobrigida said in parliament. "Yes to helping births, no to ethnic replacement."

Selfishness, too, Francis says

For his part, Francis on Friday also highlighted what he viewed as "selfish, egotistical" choices of individuals.

"We cannot passively accept that so many young people struggle to realize their family dream and are forced to lower the bar of desire, settling for mediocre substitutes: making money, aiming for a career, travelling, jealously guarding leisure time," he said.

The Pope said pets were replacing children in some households and recounted how a woman at a recent audience had opened her bag and asked for a papal blessing for "her baby," only to reveal that it was a dog.

"I lost my patience and upbraided her saying many children are hungry and you bring me a dog," he said.

Maybe if they quit taxing the crap out of the middle class to help fund poorcels having endless unplanned, unwanted kids, the middle class could actually afford to have 2 or 3 kids without being permanently stuck living paycheck to paycheck.

Also, lmao at marriage/family advice from the pope or priests who are supposed to remain single and celibate for their entire lives. As someone who was raised Catholic, I always thought the concept of people who claim to have committed their entire existence to a single, no family lifestyle (albeit for the claimed sake of supposed non-degenerate purposes) being sources of relationship/marriage advice was one of the most laughable things about the religion. It's like asking a random miscer who never played competative football in their lives at any level if they can offer as good of advice on being a skilled NFL QB as Tom Brady.

**** the pope and his own wall around his palace. ****ing lefty hypocrite.

You really think it's the taxes lmao? That's hilarious.

Savage capitalism? I wouldn’t go that far.

But the issue in this country is some mix of the following:

Stagnant wages
Skyrocketing cost of living
A culture promoting selfishness and degeneracy
A sharp drop in fertility rates due to food, environment and lifestyle.

Couldn't be all the Communists telling women to hate men and spewing Globalist BS about how the world is supposedly "overpopulated", while blathering about made up "Climate Change" and telling white women that they shouldn't have kids since they're creating too much carbon.

Nah, it's Capitalism's fault. The "Pope" is the Anti-Christ.

Climate change isn't made up retard. It has been empirically observed by multiple independent research sites all over the world. And we know the multiphysics models and can simulate the forcing due to anthropogenic cauaes. The rapid change is almost entirely caused by human activity. Just google "anthropogenic forcing studies".

of course climate change is real, the earth goes through climate change.

the jewish notion that we should commit civilizational suicide by shutting down our economy, not having kids.. and then moving all the low iq brown ppl to europe and USA to fight climate change is the problem.

and yes, its jewish. kind of like you.

No dipchit. It's not a natural cycle. This is the most common and tired argument. Again, search "anthropogenic forcing". The rise is much faster than would be expected. Also, this has zero to do with jews, retard. It's not civilizational suicide to manage resources better, dumbass. It's suicide to do nothing.

where is Sillie to tell me again how the Catholic church is all conservative priests