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post 1686328123 07-11-2023, 11:11 PM
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Covid Scientists admit lab leak cover-up was political: feared Sh*tshow from China

Today there was a Covid Select Subcommittee hearing where Dr. Kristian Andersen and Bob Garry testified in front of Congress.

Always told you that Dr. Kristian Andersen was shady af.





Here is the Subcommittee Proximal Origin of Covid PDF file released before the hearing:

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-conte...igin_FINAL.pdf



High-profile scientists caught up in the controversy over Covid’s origins have admitted the decision to play down the lab leak theory was political.

Internal Slack communications obtained by a House subcommittee investigating the early days of the pandemic showed how scientists who wrote a paper dismissing the idea of a lab accident feared retribution from the Chinese government.

Dr Andrew Rambaut, a biologist at the University of Edinburgh, was a co-author of the March 2020 Nature Medicine research article titled 'The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2' which degenerated believers of the lab leak theory as conspiracy theorists and racists.

Private messages show Dr Rambaut feared pinning the blame on China for ‘even accidental release’ of the virus would cause a geopolitical ‘s*** show’, and so he was ‘content with ascribing it to natural process.’

One respondent to that message was Danish biologist Dr Kristian Andersen, a Danish evolutionary biologist and co-author of the paper, who said in response to Dr Rambaut that he ‘totally agree[s] that that’s a very reasonable conclusion', adding: 'Although I hate when politics is injected into science - but it's impossible not to, especially given the circumstances.'






The notorious proximal origin paper was partly commissioned by Dr Anthony Fauci, who was the then-head of the US' national research agency that had been funding risky virus research at the lab in Wuhan.

House Republicans grilled two doctors at the center of the fight over whether the coronavirus emerged from nature or a lab in Wuhan today.

They cited the newly disclosed communications between scientists in early 2020 as evidence of a cover-up - something the scientists strongly refuted.

In a report released early Tuesday ahead of the hearing, House Republicans pointed to myriad efforts by the scientists probing Covid’s origins and what they said amounted to blatantly squashing voices that advocated for more serious inquiry into the theory that the virus leaked from the nearby Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The witnesses, Dr Kristian Andersen and Dr Robert Garry co-authored the February 2020 report ‘The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2’, which was published just days after a conference call in which top scientists including Dr Anthony Fauci and Dr Francis Collins fielded frantic messages from virologists about the possibility that aspects of the virus appeared man-made.

Internal messages show that even Dr Andersen considered the argument that the genomic makeup of the virus suggested human tampering, though he changed his tune just four days later on February 4 as evidenced by an e-mail Dr Andersen sent to a different crop of scientists recovered by investigative group Right to Know.

In the message, Dr Andersen wrote: ‘The main crackpot theories going around at the moment relate to this virus being somehow engineered with intent and that is demonstrably not the case.’

Dr Andersen also said in a series of now-public response highlighted by the House GOP: ‘Although I hate when politics is injected into science –but its impossible not to, especially given the circumstances. We should be sensitive to that.’

Dr Andersen was told off by Dr Wenstrup for grinning while being asked about his involvement.

Dr Wenstrup said: 'Grin as you may Dr Andersen, grin as you may.'

Around the same time that the scientists pointed out that pinning the origins of Covid on China would prompt a ‘s*** show’, Dutch scientist Dr Ron Fouchier added concern that furthering debate about a potential lab leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, whether purposeful or accidental, ‘would do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular.’

House Republican lawmakers, typically hawkish on China, pounced on what they perceived as being too considerate and conciliatory of the communist party in power there. One such lawmaker, New York Rep Nicole Malliotakis, trained her sights on the incriminating message from Dr Rambaut and said: ‘His concern was would he piss off China, that’s what his concern was.

‘Something happened here [in the brief time between Dr Fauci’s first contact with Dr Andersen in early 2020]. Politicians may flip-flop. Scientists do not flip-flop in a matter of 72 hours.’

Dr Andersen and Dr Garry refuted that statement by saying they did not flip-flop, but rather learned new information about the virus and altered their hypothesis, a textbook application of the scientific method.

The Republicans’ efforts to nail down where exactly the virus came from, whether that be from a Wuhan wet market selling animals contaminated with the virus or from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, have homed in on exposing the inner workings of scientific authorities like Dr Fauci and Dr Collins – colloquially dubbed by Republicans as ‘the Bethesda Boys’.

The issue has become a largely political one after years of labeling certain scientists, including Dr Fauci and Dr Collins at the center of the debate as overtly biased in favor of theories espoused by many Democrats and government-entrenched scientists.

This includes the theory that Covid-19 likely jumped from an animal intermediary host before infecting humans.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...d-s-China.html

https://nypost.com/2023/07/11/covid-...fear-of-china/
post 1686328353 07-11-2023, 11:15 PM
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Now if we could just make china accountable for this somehow ?
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It was just a right wing Qanon conspiracy theory they said...
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Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis
Now if we could just make china accountable for this somehow ?
Good luck with Biden in charge, he's China's punk bitch.
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Dr. Kristian Andersen on February 20, 2020: "none of this helps refute a lab origin"

This was after they had already determined natural origins in the beginning of February 2020









post 1686329203 07-11-2023, 11:33 PM
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post 1686329283 07-11-2023, 11:36 PM
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It obviously came from Fauci's assh0le. He's the enemy of the free world.
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Omg. Democrats have their own Oversight Covid Select Subcommittee and they put out a separate report saying to Trust the Science™.

The links I provided in the OP and subsequent posts are from GOP Oversight Covid Select Subcommitte.

Here is the Dems Twitter account:




Here is the Dems separate Trust the Science™ Report:

https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov...f%20Report.pdf





post 1686330113 07-12-2023, 12:08 AM
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Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Alina Chan is digging through the GOP Select Subcommittee report to find emails from Kristian Andersen:

Thread:







Emails:

Spoiler!







post 1686330433 07-12-2023, 12:20 AM
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Emails:

Spoiler!












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Thread of emails released on March 5 from Eddie Holmes.




This one was interesting, read the bottom of the message with Matt Frieman about Dr Shi @ WIV possibly getting arrested for doing work that was not approved by Chinese Govt.






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Emily Kopp was sitting in the hearing and tweeted up a long play-by-play thread:




Here are some of the tweets from her thread. There are too many good tweets. Really worth going through link above.














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Did anyone read all these chains of emails going back and forth?



There's nothing new here in terms of solid scientific evidence for the lab leak. None. I think OP likes to spam emails with technical scientific terms in them so you think "Oh wow, scientists sending emails with science in them. What a cover-up!".


But the content of emails betrays no smoking gun which actually makes the lab leak a defensible scientific theory. You see people wanting to downplay the lab leak for political reasons, you see some people express skepticism about some pieces of evidence (but they admit it's not their line of expertise!), but it mostly looks like they just want to address conspiracy theories with solid empirical evidence, which at times they admit they could be more of.



There's nothing suspicious at all, and this thread has queefed a lot of hot air.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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^^This is what a complete fuсking idiot looks like.
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Vaxxers sure know how to get manipulated.
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Modern liberalism is morally bankrupt and demonic.
Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
Wincel: "I'm saying even the govt of China, while brutal at times, is NOT our enemy. Period."
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The 2nd Cold War has begun.
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Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis
Now if we could just make china accountable for this somehow ?
The main people behind it were American, British and Chinese.

Only reason it was happening in China was that 2 successive US presidents wouldn't let Fauci do it in USA.
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Wow, didn't take long for, "this is still fine."

Definitely past the point of allegiance becoming a new religion.
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Good luck with Biden in charge, he's China's punk bitch.
Adds yet another layer as to why theyreallywanted him in.
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My dark grave awaits, my fate is revealed - But I'm not afraid to die

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Originally Posted By Bodhy
Did anyone read all these chains of emails going back and forth?



There's nothing new here in terms of solid scientific evidence for the lab leak. None. I think OP likes to spam emails with technical scientific terms in them so you think "Oh wow, scientists sending emails with science in them. What a cover-up!".


But the content of emails betrays no smoking gun which actually makes the lab leak a defensible scientific theory. You see people wanting to downplay the lab leak for political reasons, you see some people express skepticism about some pieces of evidence (but they admit it's not their line of expertise!), but it mostly looks like they just want to address conspiracy theories with solid empirical evidence, which at times they admit they could be more of.



There's nothing suspicious at all, and this thread has queefed a lot of hot air.
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Anyone with half a brain knew where covid came from and why.
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as more time passes the more the CTers are confirmed right
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Originally Posted By Procta
as more time passes the more the CTers are confirmed right
That's it's just a cold?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
That's it's just a cold?
the lab leak cover up is at topic no the severity of the flu virus

although my personal experience it was mild
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Originally Posted By JayJ350
It was just a right wing Qanon conspiracy theory they said...
The Q-Anon CT part of it is that it was funded by Fauci, Soros, and Bill Gates personally and intentionally created and released as part of a plot by the Marxist NWO to rid the world of Christian white men.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
That's it's just a cold?
I do have a question cause you have brought the vax up again recently.

As someone who is unvaxxed and had covid twice - what benefit would the vax bring me that I should get it now?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
That's it's just a cold?
But Coronavirus IS a cold virus

There are currently 36 known Coronavirus that have been present for 6 decades
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The science that we were to trust was not science at all. Who could have imagined that?


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