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post 1687176223 07-25-2023, 02:29 PM
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Why did President Roosevelt allow Japan to attack Pearl Harbor?

And why does no one talk about how he 100% provoked this attack and ALLOWED it to happen, leading to the death of so many American Sailors, and the subsequent war that resulted hundreds of thousands of deaths?
Even though Roosevelt made contrary statements to the public, didn’t he and his advisors feel that America was eventually going to have to get into the war?

Stinnett: That is right. Well, his statement was, “I won’t send your boys to war unless we are attacked.” So then he engineered this attack—to get us into war really against Germany. But I think that was his only option. I express that in the book.

Who was Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum and what was his connection to the Pearl Harbor attack?

Stinnett: He worked for Naval intelligence in Washington. He also was the communications routing officer for President Roosevelt. So all these intercepts would go to Commander McCollum and then he would route them to the President. There’s no question about that. He also was the author of this plan to provoke Japan into attacking us at Pearl Harbor. And he was born and raised in Japan.

McCollum wrote this plan, this memorandum, in October 1940. It was addressed to two of Roosevelt’s closest advisors. In the memo McCollum is expressing that it’s inevitable that Japan and America are going to go to war, and that Nazi Germany’s going to become a threat to America’s security. McCollum is saying that America’s going to have to get into the war. But he also says that public opinion is against that. So, McCollum then suggests eight specific things that America should do to provoke Japan to become more hostile, to attack us, so that the public would be behind a war effort. And because he was born and raised in Japan, he understood the Japanese mentality and how the Japanese would react.
Stinnett: Yes. Exactly.

Has the existence of this memo from Commander McCollum ever been revealed to the public before your book came out?

Stinnett: No, no. I received that as pursuant to my FOIA request on January 1995 from the National Archives. I had no idea it existed.

FDR and his military advisors knew that if McCollum’s eight actions were implemented—things like keeping the Pacific fleet in Pearl Harbor, and crippling Japan’s economy with an embargo—there was no question in their minds that this would cause Japan—whose government was very militant—to attack the United States. Correct?

Stinnett: That is correct, and that is what Commander McCollum said. He said, “If you adopt these policies then Japan will commit an overt act of war.”
https://www.independent.org/issues/article.asp?id=408


Very sad that Americans go around calling other countries corrupt and evil when they literally sacrifice their own troops in order to join a war and drop nuclear bombs.
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He didn't.

We thought they were going to attack the Philippines. So we put all of our defenses there. Pearl Harbor came out of nowhere.

And FDR did not "provoke" this attack.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4
He didn't.

We thought they were going to attack the Philippines. So we put all of our defenses there. Pearl Harbor came out of nowhere.

And FDR did not "provoke" this attack.
Clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Article and book linked in OP clearly states that FDR and his closest aides knew the attack was coming, and exactly what the target was. These are based on declassified documents from the government itself.
We thought they were going to attack the Philippines
False
So we put all of our defenses there. Pearl Harbor came out of nowhere.
False again
Is this statement true?—If America was intercepting and decoding Japan’s military messages then Washington and FDR knew that Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor.

Stinnett: Oh, absolutely.

You feel it’s as simple as that?

Stinnett: That is right. And that was their plan. It was their “overt act of war” plan that I talk about in my book that President Roosevelt adopted on October 7, 1940.

You write that in late November 1941 an order was sent out to all US military commanders that stated: “The United States desires that Japan commit the first overt act.” According to Secretary of War Stimson, the order came directly from President Roosevelt. Was FDR’s cabinet on record for supporting this policy of provoking Japan to commit the first overt act of war?
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He was wanting to be in the war long before Pearl Harbor but congress wouldn't approve and the public sure didn't approve. It was his way of getting what he wanted to get out of the great depression.
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FDR was a puppet of Jews.

Jews wanted the US to enter WW2 to crush Germany, which they had identified as "Amalek" long before WW1. Jews close to FDR had arranged to exempt American Jews from being drafted.

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Originally Posted By JT11RTR
He was wanting to be in the war long before Pearl Harbor but congress wouldn't approve and the public sure didn't approve. It was his way of getting what he wanted to get out of the great depression.
While it absolutely helped America get out of the great depression, I'd argue that wasn't his main motivation to get into the war. Roosevelt had many motivations for getting in the war, but the main one was to destroy Germany.
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Originally Posted By Islandboyo
Clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Article and book linked in OP clearly states that FDR and his closest aides knew the attack was coming, and exactly what the target was. These are based on declassified documents from the government itself.


False

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Yes, we thought they were going to attack the Philippines. Already been said. Nothing in your post contradicts that.
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Originally Posted By Islandboyo
While it absolutely helped America get out of the great depression, I'd argue that wasn't his main motivation to get into the war. Roosevelt had many motivations for getting in the war, but the main one was to destroy Germany.
Hitler declared war on Germany; not the other way around. Try again.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4
Hitler declared war on Germany;.
Earthshattering if true.
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Doesn't even make sense to allow Pearl Harbor to be attacked if you're arguing FDRwantedthe war. Basically, you're saying that FDR wanted a war with Japan by having Japan destroy the very instrument that would be needed to wage that war. That makes no sense. Pearl Harbor could've been 10 times more devastating that it actually was (we actually got lucky). If Japan succeeded in what they were trying to do, the US Navy's capability to wage a Naval war would have been far, far more troublesome.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4
Yes, we thought they were going to attack the Philippines. Already been said. Nothing in your post contradicts that.
You claim that twice during the week of December 1 to 6 the spy indicated that Pearl Harbor would be attacked. According to a Japanese commander, the message on December 2 was: “No changes observed by afternoon of 2 December. So far they do not seem to have been alerted.” And on the morning of December 6 the message was: “There are no barrage balloons up and there is an opportunity left for a surprise attack against these places.” These messages were intercepted by the Navy, right? Did Roosevelt know about these messages?

Stinnett: They were intercepted. That is correct. They were sent by RCA communications. And Roosevelt had sent David Sarnoff, who was head of RCA, to Honolulu so that this would facilitate getting these messages even faster. Though we were also intercepting them off the airways, anyway. And on December 2 and on December 6 the spy indicated that Pearl was going to be the target. And the December 2 message was intercepted, decoded, and translated prior to December 5. The December 6 message...there’s really no proof that it was...it was intercepted, but there’s all sorts of cover stories on whether or not that reached the President. But he received other information that it was going to happen the next day, anyway.

You saw the records of those intercepts yourself?

Stinnett: Yes. I have those.

And all these other messages that the Navy was constantly intercepting showed exactly where the Japanese ships were, that they were preparing for war, and that they were heading straight for Hawaii. Right?

Stinnett: That’s right. Our radio direction finders located the Japanese warships.

You say Roosevelt regularly received copies of these intercepts. How were they delivered to him?

Stinnett: By Commander McCollum routing the information to him. They were prepared in monograph form. They called it monograph....it was sent to the President through Commander McCollum who dispatched it through the naval aide to the
President.

On page 203 of the hardcover edition of your book it reads, “Seven Japanese naval broadcasts intercepted between November 28 and December 6 confirmed that Japan intended to start the war and that it would begin in Pearl Harbor.” Did you see the
records of those intercepts yourself?

Stinnett: Yes. And also we have new information about other intercepts in the current edition that’s coming out in May 2001....There’s no question about it.

According to Day Of Deceit, on November 25 Admiral Yamamoto sent a radio message to the Japanese fleet. Part of the message read: “The task force, keeping its movements strictly secret and maintaining close guard against submarines and aircraft, shall advance into Hawaiian waters, and upon the very opening of hostilities shall attack the main force of the United States fleet in Hawaii and deal it a mortal blow...” What’s the proof that the record of that intercept exists? Did you see it yourself? Again, did Roosevelt know about it?

Stinnett: The English version of that message has been released by the United States, a government book. The Japanese version—the raw message—has not been released by the U.S. I have copies of the Station H radio logs—a monitoring station in Hawaii. They prove that the Navy intercepted eight-three messages that Yamamoto sent between November seventeenth and twenty-fifth. I have those records, but not the raw intercepts, eighty-six percent of which have not been released by the government...As far as Roosevelt, early in November 1941 Roosevelt ordered that Japanese raw intercepts be delivered directly to him by his naval aide, Captain Beardall. Sometimes if McCollum felt a message was particularly hot he would deliver it himself to FDR.
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Islandboyo (DukeofWoodbury/Wanna be Nazi) probably doesn't even know why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor lol
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Never trust a president who shook hands with Stalin . Worse than Hitler at the time.

I hope somehow trump serves as many terms as he did however. But without world war.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4
Doesn't even make sense to allow Pearl Harbor to be attacked if you're arguing FDRwantedthe war. Basically, you're saying that FDR wanted a war with Japan by having Japan destroy the very instrument that would be needed to wage that war. That makes no sense. Pearl Harbor could've been 10 times more devastating that it actually was (we actually got lucky). If Japan succeeded in what they were trying to do, the US Navy's capability to wage a Naval war would have been far, far more troublesome.
Japan had no chance against the US, so it's not like FDR was worried about losing some ship and men at Pearl Harbor. Who cares if a few goyim die?

There's also evidence suggesting that the ships left at Pearl Harbor during the attack were old ships that the US was planning to scuttle anyway. Kinda similar to 9/11, when you think about it (the Jew owner of the WTC wanted them demolished).

"The best ships in the seventh fleet were conveniently out of harm’s way when Pearl Harbor was attacked, leaving only older less seaworthy ships to be sunk, and giving President Roosevelt the casus belli he needed to get America into WW2".
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The same reason we decided to drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilians rather than accept their surrender. The government is evil
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
The same reason we decided to drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilians rather than accept their surrender. The government is evil
We wanted unconditional surrender. They wanted conditional surrender. Not happening.
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Originally Posted By brayar
There's also evidence suggesting that the ships left at Pearl Harbor during the attack were old ships that the US was planning to scuttle anyway. Kinda similar to 9/11, when you think about it (the Jew owner of the WTC wanted them demolished).
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Just wondering if you got your education from Trump University?

Pearl Harbor was the backbone of the US Pacific Fleet. Why the hell would FDR get rid of that to get into a war?

Pearl Harbor was actually somewhat of a military failure for Japan. They did disable several of the warships in dock, but the rest of the fleet was saved and spared.
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BTW LOL @ using that book as proof for anything. It had a "Special Edition" released in May 2001..... when the movie was released. Another right wing grifter. You guys love you some grifters.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
The same reason we decided to drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilians rather than accept their surrender. The government is evil
If a democratically elected government is evil, wouldn't that have to mean that the people who elected them are evil as well?
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If a democratically elected government is evil, wouldn't that have to mean that the people who elected them are evil as well?
Only if they voted for the tyrant. The people who voted for Biden are pure evil, scum. The ones who voted for trump are not.
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Originally Posted By Deathstroke
Only if they voted for the tyrant. The people who voted for Biden are pure evil, scum. The ones who voted for trump are not.
So if what you're saying is that a majority of the country is evil since they voted for a tyrant, what is the minority that didn't suppose to do?
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So if what you're saying is that a majority of the country is evil since they voted for a tyrant, what is the minority that didn't suppose to do?
Whether it’s a belief or real most people who have strong Christian moral values voted against Biden. That makes them not so evil in my book.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4
Doesn't even make sense to allow Pearl Harbor to be attacked if you're arguing FDRwantedthe war. Basically, you're saying that FDR wanted a war with Japan by having Japan destroy the very instrument that would be needed to wage that war. That makes no sense. Pearl Harbor could've been 10 times more devastating that it actually was (we actually got lucky). If Japan succeeded in what they were trying to do, the US Navy's capability to wage a Naval war would have been far, far more troublesome.
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I thought this was common knowledge for anyone who learned history beyond what they were taught in 10th grade. Somehow retard Yeslibs is arguing against a very well known part of history because FDR is cast as a hero in high school history class. There's no hope for such smooth brains who stopped learning as a teenager.
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Why kill thousands of Americans while taking out the WTC in order to wage a war against Islamic nations under false pretences?
I was an avid bush defender. It was a different time then. I supported his “war on terror” post-911. I voted for him the first time I ever voted . Looking back at it now. You make a great point there. Bush and Cheney were wrong. Whole admin seemed rotten to the core except Colin Powell. I thought Saddam needed to go though. He was one sick ****. A regional evil certainly. And he fired missiles at Israel and that went unpunished. The sanctions by us uk and France should have had Israel retaliate and we should have consulted them before we tried oil for food, weapon inspections. Etc.
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Because we had like 20 million people unemployed with no end in sight during the great depression

WW2 ended the great depression immediately
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Originally Posted By CalmWind
Because we had like 20 million people unemployed with no end in sight during the great depression

WW2 ended the great depression immediately
So war fixes ****ty economies interesting when you consider that at the same time the Nazi's took over Germany and saw an immediate economic boom without needing to go to war.

Why didn't America just do what Nazi Germany did with their economy? ( I know why and it starts with a J)
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
I thought this was common knowledge for anyone who learned history beyond what they were taught in 10th grade. Somehow retard Yeslibs is arguing against a very well known part of history because FDR is cast as a hero in high school history class. There's no hope for such smooth brains who stopped learning as a teenager.
Show me evidence FDR knew that Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor.
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Originally Posted By Islandboyo
So war fixes ****ty economies interesting when you consider that at the same time the Nazi's took over Germany and saw an immediate economic boom without needing to go to war.

Why didn't America just do what Nazi Germany did with their economy? ( I know why and it starts with a J)
Riiiiiight the average German didn't even own a vehicle, stop reading fantasy novels about Nazi Germany.
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