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How much richer are you from the stock market since Biden was elected?
How much richer are you from the stock market since Biden was elected?
07-28-2023, 11:53 AM
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same as 2021...little less actually.
07-28-2023, 12:37 PM
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My stock S&P holdings are still down around 6% I believe since Biden came into office two years ago. I guess with opportunity cost figured in, as the stock market traditionally makes 8% gains a year, I'm down about 22% from where I'd expect to be. I think I figured that right.
07-28-2023, 01:57 PM
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07-28-2023, 03:20 PM
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Let's go with the nasdaq since you make a lot of noice about it lately
So....
Let's say we invested $100,000 after closing January 2021
Nasdaq closed Jan 21 2021 13,457.25
Nasdaq closed today at 14,316.66 up 6.386% total over 2 1/2 years.
Now let's start here
To break even we would need $116,639.91 according to the BLS cpi calculator
https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc...1&year2=202306
So if I put $100,000 in nasdaq that day, it would be worth 106,386.22 today
My net loss adjusted for inflation $106,386.22 - $116,639.91 = -$10,253.69
So I would have a net loss of $10,253.69 when adjusted for inflation.
When compared to this
It's been rough
So....
Let's say we invested $100,000 after closing January 2021
Nasdaq closed Jan 21 2021 13,457.25
Nasdaq closed today at 14,316.66 up 6.386% total over 2 1/2 years.
Now let's start here
To break even we would need $116,639.91 according to the BLS cpi calculator
https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc...1&year2=202306
So if I put $100,000 in nasdaq that day, it would be worth 106,386.22 today
My net loss adjusted for inflation $106,386.22 - $116,639.91 = -$10,253.69
So I would have a net loss of $10,253.69 when adjusted for inflation.
When compared to this
It's been rough
07-28-2023, 06:24 PM
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When you adjust for inflation, I've got a long way to go
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07-28-2023, 07:41 PM
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Down 80 K in my RRSP since Brandon elected , and no end in site for losses. Dems won’t be happy till they destroy the stock exchange.
But that’s all they do, look at blue states , they’re becoming third world countries because of the Dems policies .
But no more mean tweets
But that’s all they do, look at blue states , they’re becoming third world countries because of the Dems policies .
But no more mean tweets
Back with my Fam
07-28-2023, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
What do you mean?How exactly does this work since inflation never stops?
People are cheering that the stock market is getting near all time highs. But the value of a dollar has eroded by quite a bit since the market was at its all time high. Therefore, the market isn't near an all time high when you adjust for inflation. That's what I mean by "got a long way to go"
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07-28-2023, 08:26 PM
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I think it's good to put it all in perspective.
So let's assume January 2021 you were making $100,000 a year in income, and put $100,000 in nasdaq (only picked it because op makes a bunch of noise about it lately)
So I already demonstrated you've lost a net $10,253.69 , but how about income? Maybe they makes up for it? Let's see.....
So looking at real wages (adjusted for inflation)
We are on an uptick sure, but still a long way to go
Seems like if you start from the end of Trumps last quarter to now, real wages are down 3.18%
So if I was making $100,000 then - you add in my wage increase %, then subtract inflation - by comparison I'm at $96,816.98 now
A net loss of about $3,183
So stocks and income combined I've lost a net $13,436.71 in that scenario.
Edit: for the stat nerds/ yea I could amortize that income real wage loss monthly for the last 19 months , and it is actually a much larger total loss, but you get the point.....
So let's assume January 2021 you were making $100,000 a year in income, and put $100,000 in nasdaq (only picked it because op makes a bunch of noise about it lately)
So I already demonstrated you've lost a net $10,253.69 , but how about income? Maybe they makes up for it? Let's see.....
So looking at real wages (adjusted for inflation)
We are on an uptick sure, but still a long way to go
Seems like if you start from the end of Trumps last quarter to now, real wages are down 3.18%
So if I was making $100,000 then - you add in my wage increase %, then subtract inflation - by comparison I'm at $96,816.98 now
A net loss of about $3,183
So stocks and income combined I've lost a net $13,436.71 in that scenario.
Edit: for the stat nerds/ yea I could amortize that income real wage loss monthly for the last 19 months , and it is actually a much larger total loss, but you get the point.....
07-29-2023, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
What impact did Trump's spending $3.8T on covid stimulus and adding $8T to the debt have on the bigly inflation that started in April of '21 do you reckon?I think it's good to put it all in perspective.
So let's assume January 2021 you were making $100,000 a year in income, and put $100,000 in nasdaq (only picked it because op makes a bunch of noise about it lately)
So I already demonstrated you've lost a net $10,253.69 , but how about income? Maybe they makes up for it? Let's see.....
So looking at real wages (adjusted for inflation)
We are on an uptick sure, but still a long way to go
Seems like if you start from the end of Trumps last quarter to now, real wages are down 3.18%
So if I was making $100,000 then - you add in my wage increase %, then subtract inflation - by comparison I'm at $96,816.98 now
A net loss of about $3,183
So stocks and income combined I've lost a net $13,436.71 in that scenario.
Edit: for the stat nerds/ yea I could amortize that income real wage loss monthly for the last 19 months , and it is actually a much larger total loss, but you get the point.....
So let's assume January 2021 you were making $100,000 a year in income, and put $100,000 in nasdaq (only picked it because op makes a bunch of noise about it lately)
So I already demonstrated you've lost a net $10,253.69 , but how about income? Maybe they makes up for it? Let's see.....
So looking at real wages (adjusted for inflation)
We are on an uptick sure, but still a long way to go
Seems like if you start from the end of Trumps last quarter to now, real wages are down 3.18%
So if I was making $100,000 then - you add in my wage increase %, then subtract inflation - by comparison I'm at $96,816.98 now
A net loss of about $3,183
So stocks and income combined I've lost a net $13,436.71 in that scenario.
Edit: for the stat nerds/ yea I could amortize that income real wage loss monthly for the last 19 months , and it is actually a much larger total loss, but you get the point.....
Cause I reckon most of it since virtually none of Biden's programs had spent a dime before inflation started increasing bigly.
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07-29-2023, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Lol, he did bs from almost day 1What impact did Trump's spending $3.8T on covid stimulus and adding $8T to the debt have on the bigly inflation that started in April of '21 do you reckon?
Cause I reckon most of it since virtually none of Biden's programs had spent a dime before inflation started increasing bigly.
Cause I reckon most of it since virtually none of Biden's programs had spent a dime before inflation started increasing bigly.
For starters - in the first week he did a bunch of inflationary exacerbating regulatory changes - check the federal register the first month he's in an office...
let me repeat my later that summer post after Biden's March Covid bill.
He did 2 major things immediately- 1. Executive order so people can basically quit because they're scared and still get unemployment. 2 the March Covid bill- including the additional monthly EITC payments.
The March Covid bill extended unemployment payments when they needed to end- they were already extended too long - this sparked a spiraling worldwide inflation, and jammed up supply chains.
He stagnated what could have been a very easy labor comeback - and then poured fuel the fire by extending even further past unemployment with the extra eitc payments at the worst time you could possibly try it...
Now repeat some post.....
About inflation
Summer of 2022....
Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Anyone screaming “but but but it’s worldwide!!!”
This is our core vs Europe
And the United States economy is so monstrous the rest of the world is exponentially impacted by our movements.
The extended artificial demand we unnecessarily passed last March exacerbated worldwide inflation- especially with the loss of labor.
We paid trillions the previous year to keep all the jobs open- Way too much money handed out- learned a lesson and then oddly completely ignored the lesson we learned- this last March bill thus this
Let’s not forget that executive order the first week in office that allowed workers to quit just because they were scared to work - and then got unemployment. In turn- it literally took them out of the work force where many haven’t returned yet.
Add a known weak president who Russia knew they could exploit, then we result in this BS- and carry the world with us.
This is our core vs Europe
And the United States economy is so monstrous the rest of the world is exponentially impacted by our movements.
The extended artificial demand we unnecessarily passed last March exacerbated worldwide inflation- especially with the loss of labor.
We paid trillions the previous year to keep all the jobs open- Way too much money handed out- learned a lesson and then oddly completely ignored the lesson we learned- this last March bill thus this
Let’s not forget that executive order the first week in office that allowed workers to quit just because they were scared to work - and then got unemployment. In turn- it literally took them out of the work force where many haven’t returned yet.
Add a known weak president who Russia knew they could exploit, then we result in this BS- and carry the world with us.
Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Worldwide inflation was going to happen we just greatly exacerbated it.
You’ll find plenty of smaller gdp some higher percent - but compared to an equal combine collective core we screwed it.
Starting with the 2020 bill- then after learning our lesson from bad ideas on an all new event first time event go around - we made it even worse in 2021. Much worse .
We could’ve actually done some of the Fed action and we did without making it as bad- if we didn’t plop so much of it into the consumer artificial demand stage.
And the consumers are still +2,000,000,000,000 in deposits.
You’ll find plenty of smaller gdp some higher percent - but compared to an equal combine collective core we screwed it.
Starting with the 2020 bill- then after learning our lesson from bad ideas on an all new event first time event go around - we made it even worse in 2021. Much worse .
We could’ve actually done some of the Fed action and we did without making it as bad- if we didn’t plop so much of it into the consumer artificial demand stage.
And the consumers are still +2,000,000,000,000 in deposits.
Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
We really screwed up the supply chainsYou are gonna talk about the individual country.
No compare a total size GDP- with thecorecomparison like I did.
When the United States consumers buy stuff -the world has to make stuff
When the United States consumer gets trillions of dollars in artificial demand -it spirals the entire world is to exacerbated inflation more than it would have had.
We are the world buying power.
No compare a total size GDP- with thecorecomparison like I did.
When the United States consumers buy stuff -the world has to make stuff
When the United States consumer gets trillions of dollars in artificial demand -it spirals the entire world is to exacerbated inflation more than it would have had.
We are the world buying power.
Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
We basically paid trillions to pause the country - and made us able to quickly come back online holding everything (every job and business in place) leaned a few lessons - repeated some mistakes / and when it came time for the quickly come back in one, we totally screwed it up.Exactly my point
So when supplies were down, systems weren’t online yet, key components weren’t available yet, manufacturing processes weren’t restarted yet…
We had already dumped a few trillion dollars into United States consumers bucket so they could quickly buy chit from systems that weren’t close to ready for it yet.
We made it worse.
Things needed to come back on slowly
After learning that lesson we did it again.- and on the second time we even put in processes to discourage people from working to make manufacturing come back up even slower.
So when supplies were down, systems weren’t online yet, key components weren’t available yet, manufacturing processes weren’t restarted yet…
We had already dumped a few trillion dollars into United States consumers bucket so they could quickly buy chit from systems that weren’t close to ready for it yet.
We made it worse.
Things needed to come back on slowly
After learning that lesson we did it again.- and on the second time we even put in processes to discourage people from working to make manufacturing come back up even slower.
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Weird you didn't address the impact of Trump's $3.8T covid spending and $8T added to the debt. Also Trump phuked the supply chain up boyo.Lol, he did bs from almost day 1
For starters - in the first week he did a bunch of inflationary exacerbating regulatory changes - check the federal register the first month he's in an office...
let me repeat my later that summer post after Biden's March Covid bill.
He did 2 major things immediately- 1. Executive order so people can basically quit because they're scared and still get unemployment. 2 the March Covid bill- including the additional monthly EITC payments.
The March Covid bill extended unemployment payments when they needed to end- they were already extended too long - this sparked a spiraling worldwide inflation, and jammed up supply chains.
He stagnated what could have been a very easy labor comeback - and then poured fuel the fire by extending even further past unemployment with the extra eitc payments at the worst time you could possibly try it...
Now repeat some post.....
About inflation
Summer of 2022....
We really screwed up the supply chains
We basically paid trillions to pause the country - and made us able to quickly come back online holding everything (every job and business in place) leaned a few lessons - repeated some mistakes / and when it came time for the quickly come back in one, we totally screwed it up.
For starters - in the first week he did a bunch of inflationary exacerbating regulatory changes - check the federal register the first month he's in an office...
let me repeat my later that summer post after Biden's March Covid bill.
He did 2 major things immediately- 1. Executive order so people can basically quit because they're scared and still get unemployment. 2 the March Covid bill- including the additional monthly EITC payments.
The March Covid bill extended unemployment payments when they needed to end- they were already extended too long - this sparked a spiraling worldwide inflation, and jammed up supply chains.
He stagnated what could have been a very easy labor comeback - and then poured fuel the fire by extending even further past unemployment with the extra eitc payments at the worst time you could possibly try it...
Now repeat some post.....
About inflation
Summer of 2022....
We really screwed up the supply chains
We basically paid trillions to pause the country - and made us able to quickly come back online holding everything (every job and business in place) leaned a few lessons - repeated some mistakes / and when it came time for the quickly come back in one, we totally screwed it up.
Are you under the impression that a macroeconomic indicator like inflation is something that can be impacted in a matter of months?
Surely you don't believe that. Trump massively increased the dollars chasing goods with his tax cuts for the rich, bullying the Fed to lower rates, and massive spending and increase to the debt.
I'm sure you'll acknowledge the above was the primary driver of inflation that Biden has since brought down to almost target levels. Just like Biden's policies allowed the country to open back up and bring back all the jobs Trump lost while adding millions more.
And please don't post your nonsense about "job creation trajectory" or whatever other nonsense you like to post. Trump's handling of covid forced many people out of the workforce permanently as they retired or died.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Topic:BIDEN'sfailures.What impact did Trump's spending $3.8T on covid stimulus and adding $8T to the debt have on the bigly inflation that started in April of '21 do you reckon?
Cause I reckon most of it since virtually none of Biden's programs had spent a dime before inflation started increasing bigly.
Cause I reckon most of it since virtually none of Biden's programs had spent a dime before inflation started increasing bigly.
Predictable deflection: Whine and cry about the guy who left office 2 1/2 years ago, while ignorantly claiming a single person controls all legislation and spending in government.
WillBidenever be able to stand on his own, or do you always need to cast him in Trump's shadow?
Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Weird that you think the former US president single-handedly controlled all federal legislation & spending, and was solely responsible for the results of a global pandemic and the actions of 50 state governors....Weird you didn't address the impact of Trump's $3.8T covid spending and $8T added to the debt. Also Trump phuked the supply chain up boyo.
While at the same time, the current US president is somehow responsible forabsolutely nothingwhen things continue to fail.
07-29-2023, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted By Thebigzub⏩
OP is trolling ph4gg0t. He has nothing invested.90K in the hole since that chit for brains got "placed" as a puppet for the US citizens...
He has no understanding of how Biden inflation and interest rates have affected investing.
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
Please aware me boomer how the economy isn't killing it right now? And that's despite massive rate increases to kill the inflation caused by Trump's reckless spending and increase to the debt.Topic:BIDEN'sfailures.
Predictable deflection: Whine and cry about the guy who left office 2 1/2 years ago, while ignorantly claiming a single person controls all legislation and spending in government.
WillBidenever be able to stand on his own, or do you always need to cast him in Trump's shadow?
Weird that you think the former US president single-handedly controlled all federal legislation & spending, and was solely responsible for the results of a global pandemic and the actions of 50 state governors....
While at the same time, the current US president is somehow responsible forabsolutely nothingwhen things continue to fail.
Predictable deflection: Whine and cry about the guy who left office 2 1/2 years ago, while ignorantly claiming a single person controls all legislation and spending in government.
WillBidenever be able to stand on his own, or do you always need to cast him in Trump's shadow?
Weird that you think the former US president single-handedly controlled all federal legislation & spending, and was solely responsible for the results of a global pandemic and the actions of 50 state governors....
While at the same time, the current US president is somehow responsible forabsolutely nothingwhen things continue to fail.
Oh wait, Trump managed to eek out a .2% better GDP due to MASSIVELY increasing the money supply with tax cuts for the rich, zero interest rates, and quantitative easing. Biden corrected all of Trump's mistakes and has us in a great place with interest rates that can actually positively impact the economy if needed.
Trump's entire presidency sucked balls in every conceiveable way boomer.
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Originally Posted By JonZ⏩
Please aware me how Biden caused inflation when Trump spent $3.8T on covid and added $8T to the debt. The higher rates were used to kill Trumpflation.OP is trolling ph4gg0t. He has nothing invested.
He has no understanding of how Biden inflation and interest rates have affected investing.
He has no understanding of how Biden inflation and interest rates have affected investing.
Do you blame Obama for the '08 recession too cultist?
Do you blame FDR for the Great Depression?
The lack of intellect among you cultist is astounding.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Please aware me how Biden caused inflation when Trump spent $3.8T on covid and added $8T to the debt. The higher rates were used to kill Trumpflation.
Do you blame Obama for the '08 recession too cultist?
Do you blame FDR for the Great Depression?
The lack of intellect among you cultist is astounding.
Do you blame Obama for the '08 recession too cultist?
Do you blame FDR for the Great Depression?
The lack of intellect among you cultist is astounding.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
If you believe things are going great (and they pretty much are)...Why do you constantly deflect to Trump, who left office 2 1/2 years ago?YOU are setting up that Biden's a failure who needs to be defended in contrast with someone else.Please aware me boomer how the economy isn't killing it right now? And that's despite massive rate increases to kill the inflation caused by Trump's reckless spending and increase to the debt.
Oh wait, Trump managed to eek out a .2% better GDP due to MASSIVELY increasing the money supply with tax cuts for the rich, zero interest rates, and quantitative easing. Biden corrected all of Trump's mistakes and has us in a great place with interest rates that can actually positively impact the economy if needed.
Trump's entire presidency sucked balls in every conceiveable way boomer.
Oh wait, Trump managed to eek out a .2% better GDP due to MASSIVELY increasing the money supply with tax cuts for the rich, zero interest rates, and quantitative easing. Biden corrected all of Trump's mistakes and has us in a great place with interest rates that can actually positively impact the economy if needed.
Trump's entire presidency sucked balls in every conceiveable way boomer.
You lie about how the federal government operates, you lie about the effects and actions during a global pandemic, you endlessly defect to Trump whenever the topic is Biden.
So if YOU believe things are so great, why can't Biden stand on his own?
And for the love of Christ, figure out what the hell a "boomer" is, so you might stop looking moronic in every post
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Originally Posted By BiggieStals⏩
What do starving people and war victims have to do with your investment choices?I'm legit up over 300k this year lmao. This capitalism chit is pretty fun if u can ignore the starving ppl and war victims all over the world.
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
He's only "up" 300k in nominal dollars (not adjusted for inflation)What so starving people and war victims have to do with your investment choices?
Doesn't mean anything without knowing portfolio size anyway (return expressed as a percentage)
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