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post 1687596383 08-01-2023, 03:23 PM
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United states ratings cut to aa+ from 'aaa' by fitch





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post 1687596593 08-01-2023, 03:27 PM
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C student checking in. AA+ is good right?
post 1687597703 08-01-2023, 03:47 PM
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Fitch Downgrades the United States' Long-Term Ratings to 'AA+' from 'AAA'; Outlook Stable

Ratings Downgrade: The rating downgrade of the United States reflects the expected fiscal deterioration over the next three years, a high and growing general government debt burden, and the erosion of governance relative to 'AA' and 'AAA' rated peers over the last two decades that has manifested in repeated debt limit standoffs and last-minute resolutions.

Erosion of Governance: In Fitch's view, there has been a steady deterioration in standards of governance over the last 20 years, including on fiscal and debt matters, notwithstanding the June bipartisan agreement to suspend the debt limit until January 2025. The repeated debt-limit political standoffs and last-minute resolutions have eroded confidence in fiscal management. In addition, the government lacks a medium-term fiscal framework, unlike most peers, and has a complex budgeting process. These factors, along with several economic shocks as well as tax cuts and new spending initiatives, have contributed to successive debt increases over the last decade. Additionally, there has been only limited progress in tackling medium-term challenges related to rising social security and Medicare costs due to an aging population.

Rising General Government Deficits: We expect the general government (GG) deficit to rise to 6.3% of GDP in 2023, from 3.7% in 2022, reflecting cyclically weaker federal revenues, new spending initiatives and a higher interest burden. Additionally, state and local governments are expected to run an overall deficit of 0.6% of GDP this year after running a small surplus of 0.2% of GDP in 2022. Cuts to non-defense discretionary spending (15% of total federal spending) as agreed in the Fiscal Responsibility Act offer only a modest improvement to the medium-term fiscal outlook, with cumulative savings of USD1.5 trillion (3.9% of GDP) by 2033 according to the Congressional Budget Office. The near-term impact of the Act is estimated at USD70 billion (0.3% of GDP) in 2024 and USD112 billion (0.4% of GDP) in 2025. Fitch does not expect any further substantive fiscal consolidation measures ahead of the November 2024 elections.

Fitch forecasts a GG deficit of 6.6% of GDP in 2024 and a further widening to 6.9% of GDP in 2025. The larger deficits will be driven by weak 2024 GDP growth, a higher interest burden and wider state and local government deficits of 1.2% of GDP in 2024-2025 (in line with the historical 20-year average). The interest-to-revenue ratio is expected to reach 10% by 2025 (compared to 2.8% for the 'AA' median and 1% for the 'AAA' median) due to the higher debt level as well as sustained higher interest rates compared with pre-pandemic levels.

General Government Debt to Rise: Lower deficits and high nominal GDP growth reduced the debt-to-GDP ratio over the last two years from the pandemic high of 122.3% in 2020; however, at 112.9% this year it is still well above the pre-pandemic 2019 level of 100.1%. The GG debt-to-GDP ratio is projected to rise over the forecast period, reaching 118.4% by 2025. The debt ratio is over two-and-a-half times higher than the 'AAA' median of 39.3% of GDP and 'AA' median of 44.7% of GDP. Fitch's longer-term projections forecast additional debt/GDP rises, increasing the vulnerability of the U.S. fiscal position to future economic shocks.

Medium-term Fiscal Challenges Unaddressed: Over the next decade, higher interest rates and the rising debt stock will increase the interest service burden, while an aging population and rising healthcare costs will raise spending on the elderly absent fiscal policy reforms. The CBO projects that interest costs will double by 2033 to 3.6% of GDP. The CBO also estimates a rise in mandatory spending on Medicare and social security by 1.5% of GDP over the same period. The CBO projects that the Social Security fund will be depleted by 2033 and the Hospital Insurance Trust Fund (used to pay for benefits under Medicare Part A) will be depleted by 2035 under current laws, posing additional challenges for the fiscal trajectory unless timely corrective measures are implemented. Additionally, the 2017 tax cuts are set to expire in 2025, but there is likely to be political pressure to make these permanent as has been the case in the past, resulting in higher deficit projections.

Exceptional Strengths Support Ratings: Several structural strengths underpin the United States' ratings. These include its large, advanced, well-diversified and high-income economy, supported by a dynamic business environment. Critically, the U.S. dollar is the world's preeminent reserve currency, which gives the government extraordinary financing flexibility.

Economy to Slip into Recession: Tighter credit conditions, weakening business investment, and a slowdown in consumption will push the U.S. economy into a mild recession in 4Q23 and 1Q24, according to Fitch projections. The agency sees U.S. annual real GDP growth slowing to 1.2% this year from 2.1% in 2022 and overall growth of just 0.5% in 2024. Job vacancies remain higher and the labor participation rate is still lower (by 1 pp) than pre-pandemic levels, which could negatively affect medium-term potential growth.

Fed Tightening: The Fed raised interest rates by 25bp in March, May and July 2023. Fitch expects one further hike to 5.5% to 5.75% by September. The resilience of the economy and the labor market are complicating the Fed's goal of bringing inflation towards its 2% target. While headline inflation fell to 3% in June, core PCE inflation, the Fed's key price index, remained stubbornly high at 4.1% yoy. This will likely preclude cuts in the Federal Funds Rate until March 2024. Additionally, the Fed is continuing to reduce its holdings of mortgage backed-securities and U.S. Treasuries, which is further tightening financial conditions. Since January, these assets on the Fed balance sheet have fallen by over USD500 billion as of end-July 2023.


ESG - Governance: The U.S. has an ESG Relevance Score (RS) of '5' for Political Stability and Rights and '5[+]' for the Rule of Law, Institutional and Regulatory Quality and Control of Corruption. Theses scores reflect the high weight that the World Bank Governance Indicators (WBGI) have in Fitch's proprietary Sovereign Rating Model. The U.S. has a high WBGI ranking at 79, reflecting its well-established rights for participation in the political process, strong institutional capacity, effective rule of law and a low level of corruption.
https://www.fitchratings.com/researc...ble-01-08-2023
post 1687598303 08-01-2023, 03:56 PM
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I'm not quite familiar with these ratings ... how bad is it?
post 1687598533 08-01-2023, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted By QuentinSutpen
I'm not quite familiar with these ratings ... how bad is it?
It's more or less a joke - and a chance for them to rant - as above

But it is kinda funny
post 1687598873 08-01-2023, 04:04 PM
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Indicting former leaders, low credit ratings...mamma mia we Italy now.
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post 1687600273 08-01-2023, 04:24 PM
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Democrats are the the only political demographic still deep throating the government's bullsh*t and they are so far gone that there is no saving them.
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
Modern liberalism is morally bankrupt and demonic.
Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
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Has Beowulf10 ever experienced true love? Where did he go?
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The 2nd Cold War has begun.
post 1687634653 08-02-2023, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted By XterraRob
Democrats are the the only political demographic still deep throating the government's bullsh*t and they are so far gone that there is no saving them.
Who cares about credit ratings? We have abortion and trans flags. The two most important issues of our times.
Interestingly enough--most Biden voters have a sub 500 credit score of their own so not surprising.
post 1687635793 08-02-2023, 08:23 AM
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Stock Market LIVE Updates: Dow, S&P 500 and Nasdaq decline as Fitch downgrades US credit rating


https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/bu...-11077331.html
post 1687636613 08-02-2023, 08:39 AM
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these rating companies... never forget what they did in the lead up to 08.

they shouldve been put into pinochet helicopters for what they did.
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post 1687638003 08-02-2023, 09:05 AM
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Just the interest on the federal debt will become the single biggest part of the yearly federal budget in the next couple of years, so this isn't surprising. Debt trap we can never escape incoming.

Sorry not sorry, cuts to Medicare are mandatory. The wealthiest people on average in the US are the biggest welfare leeches in dozens of ways. But they vote, so none of this will change.

AA+ now. Another downgrade will be deserved before 2030.
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post 1687639623 08-02-2023, 09:40 AM
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But but but Truuuump!
post 1687639723 08-02-2023, 09:41 AM
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High-profile economists including former U.S. Treasury Secretary Larry Summers and Allianz Chief Economic Advisor Mohamed El-Erian lambasted the Fitch decision, with Summers calling it “bizarre and inept” and El-Erian “perplexed” by the timing and reasoning. Current Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen described the downgrade as “outdated.”

Goldman Sachs

Chief Political Economist Alec Phillips was also quick to point out that the decision did not rely on new fiscal information and is therefore not expected to have a lasting impact on market sentiment beyond immediate shock selling on Wednesday.

Phillips said the downgrade “should have little direct impact on financial markets as it is unlikely there are major holders of Treasury securities who would be forced to sell based on the ratings change.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/02/us-d...concerned.html
post 1687639793 08-02-2023, 09:42 AM
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post 1687641193 08-02-2023, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted By JayJ350
lulz.
The prominent cheerleaders in 2007-08 that said no way a recession was coming and housing wasn't in a bubble were too many to list. Recession cannot be avoided. All that can be done now is postponing it. If Biden and/or Congress come up with yet another big spending bill it's solely to delay recession until after Nov 2024.
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post 1687641253 08-02-2023, 10:01 AM
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Thanks Biden
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post 1687671933 08-02-2023, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted By BasedBagel
Thanks Biden
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post 1687672523 08-02-2023, 07:15 PM
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Don't worry, Biden will fix it with another spending bill.
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