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09-04-2023, 06:00 PM
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The Most Comprehensive History Lesson
On capitalism.
There seems to be some real confusion on what is Capitalism and what is socialism. This video explains it, starting from the Roman Empire. This is important because of what I brought up in another thread; many of the Marxists in history changed the definitions and terms to disguise what they were doing. So what many people believe today is remnants of Marxist propaganda.
Some of these facts are going to be completely new to you because of how far we have gotten from true capitalism.
There seems to be some real confusion on what is Capitalism and what is socialism. This video explains it, starting from the Roman Empire. This is important because of what I brought up in another thread; many of the Marxists in history changed the definitions and terms to disguise what they were doing. So what many people believe today is remnants of Marxist propaganda.
Some of these facts are going to be completely new to you because of how far we have gotten from true capitalism.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
"To Call something fair or unfair is a subjective value judgment and not liable to any verification" Ludwig Von Mises
09-04-2023, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
For the pioneers of Marxism, absolutely. Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Obama... they word things in ways to make them seductive and attractive, and definitely did it to hide their motives.Would you say them changing definitions and terms to disguise what they were doing is a sign of ill intent?
A lot of the youth today use the words because it's just fancy lingo that they've heard. This is how you can spot a Marxist. They use a lot of these terms, but when you call them out, they get defensive because they don't understand the words they are using
He covers this in the video. For instance, state-capitalism is an oxymoron. Its like saying "Public-private", which makes no sense.
But yes, I understand what you are asking, and that is exactly what they do. Recession comes to mind.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
"To Call something fair or unfair is a subjective value judgment and not liable to any verification" Ludwig Von Mises
09-04-2023, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
Indoctrination is very powerful. It re-wires your brain on how and what to think. Socialism fixes everything. Capitalism is evil...Why do you think some people can't see through this sort of thing?
So anything that supports that belief, they go along with.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
"To Call something fair or unfair is a subjective value judgment and not liable to any verification" Ludwig Von Mises
09-04-2023, 08:04 PM
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#4
Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
Send them to reeducation camps. LolHow do we help these people wake up?
We have yet to figure that out. In every situation, the markets crashed. In the worst case, people starved and then the murders began.
COVID lockdowns were a pretty clear indication of the socialists' intentions, and not even that woke them up. That was the quickest way to kill the private sector and allow the public sector to grow tremendously. What a great way to abruptly advance Socialism.
The only answer is stopping the government from doing more harm. And one has to wonder, how does that happen?
"No warlord is prone to acknowledge any limit, other than those imposed upon him by a superior armed force." Mises
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
"To Call something fair or unfair is a subjective value judgment and not liable to any verification" Ludwig Von Mises
09-04-2023, 08:34 PM
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Here are fun facts from the video
1. The depression of 1920 only lasted 19 months. The government let it recover on its own. The depression of 1929 last 17 years because the government kept trying to fix it.
2. Every bubble that has burst was the result of socialism. The public sector propped up an inefficient market, and it crashed as a result. In other words, donors and the state kept sinking money in to a market/companies that weren’t profitable, and we all paid for their bad decisions.
3. In early western societies, rights were based on each family. The basis of individual liberty was created by Christ, which is how western society functions today
1. The depression of 1920 only lasted 19 months. The government let it recover on its own. The depression of 1929 last 17 years because the government kept trying to fix it.
2. Every bubble that has burst was the result of socialism. The public sector propped up an inefficient market, and it crashed as a result. In other words, donors and the state kept sinking money in to a market/companies that weren’t profitable, and we all paid for their bad decisions.
3. In early western societies, rights were based on each family. The basis of individual liberty was created by Christ, which is how western society functions today
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
"To Call something fair or unfair is a subjective value judgment and not liable to any verification" Ludwig Von Mises
09-04-2023, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
What justice do you propose for the 80% of young people today living with broken families?Here are fun facts from the video
1. The depression of 1920 only lasted 19 months. The government let it recover on its own. The depression of 1929 last 17 years because the government kept trying to fix it.
2. Every bubble that has burst was the result of socialism. The public sector propped up an inefficient market, and it crashed as a result. In other words, donors and the state kept sinking money in to a market/companies that weren’t profitable, and we all paid for their bad decisions.
3. In early western societies, rights were based on each family. The basis of individual liberty was created by Christ, which is how western society functions today
1. The depression of 1920 only lasted 19 months. The government let it recover on its own. The depression of 1929 last 17 years because the government kept trying to fix it.
2. Every bubble that has burst was the result of socialism. The public sector propped up an inefficient market, and it crashed as a result. In other words, donors and the state kept sinking money in to a market/companies that weren’t profitable, and we all paid for their bad decisions.
3. In early western societies, rights were based on each family. The basis of individual liberty was created by Christ, which is how western society functions today
Fair weather of a happy nuclear family and doing your best is nice
Is there anything you support more sophisticated than this preference?
09-04-2023, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted By DomMJr⏩
The damage that has been done to the country isn’t going to be fixed quickly. Generally speaking, it can take longer to fix a problem that it takes to reverse it and get back to a good place. “Good” can be subjective too, but let’s just ignore that for a moment.What justice do you propose for the 80% of young people today living with broken families?
Fair weather of a happy nuclear family and doing your best is nice
Is there anything you support more sophisticated than this preference?
Fair weather of a happy nuclear family and doing your best is nice
Is there anything you support more sophisticated than this preference?
Justice though? I’m not sure I quite understand.
My biggest concern is the fact that once you create a policy, it never goes away. I could recommend some temporary policies, that help people get back on track, but just like many of the other temporary policies, they would likely stay in place forever.
So, IMO, the fix is going to be more like ripping off a bandaid. Things will get worse before they get better. The intuition will be to re apply the old policies because they don’t think it’s working. Just like the welfar state, they claimed it was working within 5 years, but it wasn’t until closer to the 20 year mark that economists discovered it was actually making things worse.
By far one of the best solutions would be to better education. I did like the idea of vouchers, to get kids that have potential out of the cities, but that needs to be done at a state level, and it needs to phase out public schools, or at least dramatically reduce their numbers. That ain’t gonna happen, so the short term plan of vouchers would just hang around and it won’t get phased out like it should. Think about it; if we could dramatically reduce property and federal taxes, that would free up more money for people to pay for a private school. The private schools could give scholarships (many of them already do), and disperse that over the payments made by the rest, since everyone would have more money in their pockets. The rich could still afford the schools.
Does that answer your question? I think that education is a big deal. It helps kids get out of the house faster, and the more educated a society, the less broken homes there are.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
"To Call something fair or unfair is a subjective value judgment and not liable to any verification" Ludwig Von Mises
09-04-2023, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
RightMy biggest concern is the fact that once you create a policy, it never goes away. I could recommend some temporary policies, that help people get back on track, but just like many of the other temporary policies, they would likely stay in place forever.
Christian ideas fill in the gaps of broken society well, and they are active.
Schools need to be responsible so those from broken families do not suffer their effects while there, as in holding families responsible.
09-05-2023, 01:42 AM
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Outside of his battle history videos Tik is utterly retarded, so no surprise OP finds him compelling.
Capitalism is exactly what it is, private ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange. There has never been "true capitalism", the earliest days and expansion of modern capitalism in Britain were defined by state Enclosures, government decrees and charters. The earliest large capitalist enterprises (joint stock companies) were handed special privileges by the state and used that to expand.
Perhaps it was truer to unfettered capitalism in that workers had zero rights, slave and child labour was common, and factory owners could just hire mercenaries to threaten to murder their striking employees if they didnt get back to work. But I think most people with a nonzero IQ would agree that the absence of these things now is good.
All in all the whole framework of our society is still based on the defining features of capitalism, and socialism is not "gubmint do stuff". I dont know how many times OP needs to get bodied on this forum before he realises he just doesn't know anything about anything.
Capitalism is exactly what it is, private ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange. There has never been "true capitalism", the earliest days and expansion of modern capitalism in Britain were defined by state Enclosures, government decrees and charters. The earliest large capitalist enterprises (joint stock companies) were handed special privileges by the state and used that to expand.
Perhaps it was truer to unfettered capitalism in that workers had zero rights, slave and child labour was common, and factory owners could just hire mercenaries to threaten to murder their striking employees if they didnt get back to work. But I think most people with a nonzero IQ would agree that the absence of these things now is good.
All in all the whole framework of our society is still based on the defining features of capitalism, and socialism is not "gubmint do stuff". I dont know how many times OP needs to get bodied on this forum before he realises he just doesn't know anything about anything.
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09-06-2023, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
Thank you for your Marxist interpretation. Which takes me to this…Outside of his battle history videos Tik is utterly retarded, so no surprise OP finds him compelling.
Capitalism is exactly what it is, private ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange. There has never been "true capitalism", the earliest days and expansion of modern capitalism in Britain were defined by state Enclosures, government decrees and charters. The earliest large capitalist enterprises (joint stock companies) were handed special privileges by the state and used that to expand.
Perhaps it was truer to unfettered capitalism in that workers had zero rights, slave and child labour was common, and factory owners could just hire mercenaries to threaten to murder their striking employees if they didnt get back to work. But I think most people with a nonzero IQ would agree that the absence of these things now is good.
All in all the whole framework of our society is still based on the defining features of capitalism, and socialism is not "gubmint do stuff". I dont know how many times OP needs to get bodied on this forum before he realises he just doesn't know anything about anything.
Capitalism is exactly what it is, private ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange. There has never been "true capitalism", the earliest days and expansion of modern capitalism in Britain were defined by state Enclosures, government decrees and charters. The earliest large capitalist enterprises (joint stock companies) were handed special privileges by the state and used that to expand.
Perhaps it was truer to unfettered capitalism in that workers had zero rights, slave and child labour was common, and factory owners could just hire mercenaries to threaten to murder their striking employees if they didnt get back to work. But I think most people with a nonzero IQ would agree that the absence of these things now is good.
All in all the whole framework of our society is still based on the defining features of capitalism, and socialism is not "gubmint do stuff". I dont know how many times OP needs to get bodied on this forum before he realises he just doesn't know anything about anything.
Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
This is why the above poster had to insult the person in the video. That’s what Marxists doHow do we help these people wake up?
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
"To Call something fair or unfair is a subjective value judgment and not liable to any verification" Ludwig Von Mises
09-06-2023, 01:28 PM
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In some of my reading I came across why Marx had to change some definitions. For example, the definition of "State" did not line up with what Marx wanted it to, so he had to change it so that it included factory owners. This new definition would make the factory owners dictators over the workers. This would also justify the workers taking control over the means of production.
This is why socialists and Marxists sometimes talk as if factory owners are slavers.
This is why socialists and Marxists sometimes talk as if factory owners are slavers.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
"To Call something fair or unfair is a subjective value judgment and not liable to any verification" Ludwig Von Mises
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