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post 1690994953 10-01-2023, 11:31 PM
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Is this self defense?

I know some places you have a duty to retreat and other you can stand your ground..

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post 1690995493 10-01-2023, 11:52 PM
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Not sure what the context is but id say probably not. At that point dude let go and was on other side of the barrier.
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Hahaha. The guy was all confident beating up on a younger person as part of a group.

His cries like an absolute bitch when facing the consequences to his actions make this hilarious.

Self defense for me. Beautiful.

Although I guess some people will think just because he jumped on the other side of a foot high wall, the attackers were just going to turn around and forget about him hahahahaha.
post 1690995783 10-02-2023, 12:11 AM
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New Mexico I think, but anyways, Not sure what was going on before hand. Either way, you can't go around provoking people or escalating situations and then think you are going to shoot someone when things don't go your way.
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Self defense. He es coming at her and you don’t know what kind of life she had. Don’t touch me. I train all my girls to shoot first and ask questions later.
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Originally Posted By Jasonw1178⏩
New Mexico I think, but anyways, Not sure what was going on before hand. Either way, you can't go around provoking people or escalating situations and then think you are going to shoot someone when things don't go your way.
It’s open Cary. With rape on the Rise you can’t blann md e her. She gave a warning
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Originally Posted By Immichaelski⏩
It’s open Cary. With rape on the Rise you can’t blann md e her. She gave a warning
What you sipping on brah?
post 1690996253 10-02-2023, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted By baroni01⏩
What you sipping on brah?
Fuq u. It’s ok when one of y’all shoot us but when we protect ourselves you get your panties in a bunch. You next *******.
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Not self defense. He has to shoot them when they are on the offense, not when they are on defense.

They stopped pursuing and he shot the guy to "git back at him".

This is what makes good gun owners look bad (low IQ gun "owners")
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Originally Posted By bananastand11⏩
Hahaha. The guy was all confident beating up on a younger person as part of a group.

His cries like an absolute bitch when facing the consequences to his actions make this hilarious.

Self defense for me. Beautiful.

Although I guess some people will think just because he jumped on the other side of a foot high wall, the attackers were just going to turn around and forget about him hahahahaha.
Yup, all of this done in self defense

It’s so crazy to me what has gone down because

They even go to the extent to try to manipulate my thoughts. Clinging to some idea that one crime is going to make up for another. It’s absolute insanity. Like it makes no sense to me.


But it is hard to feel about it like I told you

All I did was defend myself…

If you don’t see it, that’s too bad
post 1690996313 10-02-2023, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted By baroni01⏩
What you sipping on brah?
Got one coming for you too. You think you rub this **** but you don’t. I’ve been quiet hit you about to be stabbed. Get on your knees
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Originally Posted By bananastand11⏩
Hahaha. The guy was all confident beating up on a younger person as part of a group.

His cries like an absolute bitch when facing the consequences to his actions make this hilarious.

Self defense for me. Beautiful.

Although I guess some people will think just because he jumped on the other side of a foot high wall, the attackers were just going to turn around and forget about him hahahahaha.
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post 1690996463 10-02-2023, 01:02 AM
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no.guy with the gun was the aggressor.and they were little bitch ass liberal antifaph@ggots.fukingbitch ass poosay
post 1690996653 10-02-2023, 01:08 AM
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This is strictly about a girl fight ye? Or what’s going on right now?


This is solely about females fighting each other because if not understand
post 1690996663 10-02-2023, 01:09 AM
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It's difficult to see, but it looks like he was on the left side of the wall, jumped over and started trying to run to the right, the group stopped him, pushed him back over the to the left side of the wall again, and that's when he shot.

It appears as though he was attempting to run someone down and was trying to charge through that crowd of men, which means, he did not fear for his life, and the shooting was not justified. That was attempted murder.
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They weren't trying to kill or seriously harm him, they let him go and yet he decided to needlessly take a disproportionate revenge. At least if he threw a rock or something it would have been more reasonable.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
It's difficult to see, but it looks like he was on the left side of the wall, jumped over and started trying to run to the right, the group stopped him, pushed him back over the to the left side of the wall again, and that's when he shot.

It appears as though he was attempting to run someone down and was trying to charge through that crowd of men, which means, he did not fear for his life, and the shooting was not justified. That was attempted murder.
That was my take. I'm guessing they'll be a story with him charged soon enough..
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Originally Posted By baroni01⏩
That was my take. I'm guessing they'll be a story with him charged soon enough..
https://sourcenm.com/2023/09/29/trum...nola-shooting/

Trump supporter charged with attempted murder in Española shooting
Ryan Martinez, 23, shot a man at a prayer vigil at site of proposed Oñate statue

I'm a Trump supporter but have no issue with this dude being charged..
post 1691009643 10-02-2023, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted By baroni01⏩
https://sourcenm.com/2023/09/29/trum...nola-shooting/

Trump supporter charged with attempted murder in Española shooting
Ryan Martinez, 23, shot a man at a prayer vigil at site of proposed Oñate statue

I'm a Trump supporter but have no issue with this dude being charged..
That report is cringe. Did you purposely post the most left wing article you could find? It reads like the diary of a 12 year old girl.
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Why does it say Mexico when one guy is wearing a MAGA hat lmaoo
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Originally Posted By baroni01⏩
I know some places you have a duty to retreat and other you can stand your ground..

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I didnt bother watching it but pretty much if there is an imminent threat of death to you or someone else you are justified.

But you have got to use your head and no win. To dk something and win not to. Some say knowing when to shoot is a pretty good test. But knowing when not too shoot is equally as good of a test

Example. I was in jail a couple days last year. While in jail I was sitting on the floor reading news paper this piece of white trash attacked me from behind while I was sitting on the floor . By the rime I was on my feet he was on the other side of the cell.

The corrections clown came in and started clowning me. Saying I should have went over there and kicked his ass and was saying i was a pusdy and all kinds of immature uneducated dirty ball nonsense you expect from a guard. But I knew once I was on my feet and he was across the room had I walked over there and reengaged what was a few minutes ago a threat. But now was not a threat. The judge would have pointed that out and I would have been stuck there for probably a month if not longer.


Any weapon guys no matter if it's a gun a knife or even your hands can turn from a tool that can save you and help you to a tool that will hurt you and destroy you.

Knowledge, education, training these make up the foundation you need to have if you plan to walk around like Marian Cobretie.

I personally see a firearm as a liability and not an asset. But I support good citizens right to carry. If they have all the above
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It is not. The guy was not grabbing/charging him when he shot.

He is absolutely fuked.




If he did it literally 2 seconds earlier, it would be self defense.
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"let him go, let him go, let him go."
He is let go after being pressed against a wall.
ok i am free now, let me shoot that guy that let me go.
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Because of the angle of the camera it is hard to know. If one of the individuals that was the aggressor was showing signs of going over the wall, it could be considered self-defense. The camera doesn't capture that, so it depends on what the witness statements are. If nobody was coming over the wall at him when he pulled, yeah, he's got troubles.
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Only reason he was being manhandled was because he was trying to charge into the group of people making him an initial aggressor. Then a petty shooting afterward.

No idea why people need to try and bring politics into a factual discussion of events. It’s irrelevant to determining guilt or innocence to actions committed.
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For self defense you have to prove your life was in imminent danger.

I didn't see any of that in the video.

I would bet the vast majority of people claiming self defense is not self defense. They feel all powerful with a gun, they pull it out illegally and then get a happy trigger finger. If you pull a gun out, they better have a knife or gun pointed at you. Imagine carrying a gun for self defense and that action puts you away for decades.

Anyone who carry's, they need to research the laws. Its crazy what you can do and can't. And its state by state
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Not self defense, imo.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
It's difficult to see, but it looks like he was on the left side of the wall, jumped over and started trying to run to the right, the group stopped him, pushed him back over the to the left side of the wall again, and that's when he shot.

It appears as though he was attempting to run someone down and was trying to charge through that crowd of men, which means, he did not fear for his life, and the shooting was not justified. That was attempted murder.
Yeah he jumped the barrier to go after some guy, the group stopped him and let him go, he gets back over the barrier and creates distance/an obstacle then decides to shoot. Not self defense at all. Especially since it escalated due to him going after another guy in the first place. A guy with a gun can't chase someone to start fights like that.
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Originally Posted By Immichaelski⏩
Got one coming for you too. You think you rub this **** but you don’t. I’ve been quiet hit you about to be stabbed. Get on your knees
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