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post 1691107683 10-04-2023, 07:55 AM
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The Hill: Trump Collapse Is Coming And Biden Going Down With Him

This pretty much aligns with what I've been saying all along. Trump can't win, and Biden can only win against Trump.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...down-with-him/
Trump is right that the mainstream media and much of the institutional power in Washington and New York are out to get him. But they hardly need to make any effort, given that the former president is his own worst enemy. Whether cycling through lawyers to the point that he now seems stuck not with the “B Team” but the gang that washed out of the “B Team,” or going on practically daily unhinged rants that surely are not reviewed by anyone, Trump is ever digging himself deeper into a legal hole.

Contrary to popular opinion, Trump does not do well under pressure. And the pressure is going to mount exponentially over the next five months. The presidential hopeful has to run the gauntlet of two nasty appetizers in New York before the main felony trials start: a fraud case that could cost Trump $250 million (now underway) and a second suit from Jean Carroll due to start Jan. 15. He is riding a long losing streak in court since November 2020, and given his behavior and his fumbling legal team, it seems a safe bet he will keep on losing.

Where would Trump be in the polls then? And what would his mental state be? According to recent polling, 57 percent would not vote for Trump if convicted of a felony vs. 26 percent who would. Would the prospect of nominating an increasingly unhinged Trump trailing in the polls to Biden and facing even more legal trouble finally knock the 2024 front-runner out?
This is 100% true. The "left" is out to get Trump, but he's making it easy because all of his wounds are self-inflicted and he's actually guilty of everything he's charged with. Here's where it gets interesting:
But let’s say that Trump’s support crumbles enough that, staring at defeat, he makes a deal for Tim Scott to take his place (stipulating Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley cannot be on the ticket). And that would leave the Democrats with a big problem.

Biden and Trump need each other. At an average net unfavorable of negative 16 percent, Trump is only polling well due to Biden’s age and uneven (to put it charitably) administration. Conversely, only the extreme level of hatred for Trump enthuses the Democratic base.These are two candidates who only survive as “not the other guy.”

While they will surely try to wrap Trump around any Republican replacement, it’s just not the same. Plus, any Republican replacement for Trump would likely give that candidate a “relief rally” in the polls. A candidate like Scott could come out of Milwaukee with a 15-point lead on Biden. Even with poor name ID, the South Carolina senator tops Biden in recent polling and is one of the few American politicians net favorable.

There is little question that, faced with anyone but Trump, forces in the Democratic Party would want to nominate anyone but Biden — and they would have a month to do it. The scramble would be the biggest nominating spectacle since the 103-ballot 1924 Democratic convention — with potentially the same general election result. Would Biden step aside or fight? Imagine an attempted palace coup by VP Kamala Harris or a civil war between Harris and California’s Gavin Newsom.
This is just an opinion piece, but I agree. Both parties are playing chicken with each other propping up their worst possible candidates. The one who blinks first and replaces him with a more palatable choice has a great chance to win. I'd easily vote for Tim Scott over anyone else in the GOP or Dems right now.
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A lot of these cases like New York case, documents case, etc haven't and aren't going to have any impact on Trump. The Georgia case is the only one that actually stuck out as problematic because there are a lot of indictments, a lot of people can flip, and it's the only one that has serious legal repercussions if there was a guilty verdict. The rest just feel like temporary distractions.

Trump gets the Republican nomination - hands down. He's not giving it to anybody. No deals are getting cut. I don't care how much his support might crumble he is sticking this thing out to the end. Tim Scott might be a fine choice and a better candidate for the election but he's not getting the nomination.

Harris is not getting the Democratic nomination. Honestly, she shouldn't even be on the ticket for VP this time around. On the other hand, Biden shouldn't even run at this point. He's better off handing his electors over to another candidate, maybe someone like Newsom who is getting a lot of face time with the public. But at this point, the Democrats should just avoid any type of "primary" because all it does is causes infighting within the party and then you get people splitting like we saw with Hillary and Bernie. So, Biden is better off taking this to the end and then handing his electors over to someone else. However, since there is no primary it needs to be someone with national name and facial recognition. Newsom will have a hard time defending some of his CA policies on a national stage, however he is well spoken, tall, has the right look, and people know who he is, and unfortunately all that stuff really matters.
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Could always like bite the bullet and vote RFK and break the DNC and RNC stranglehold of “pick one or two”

Just sayin
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You sound scared, OP.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver
Could always like bite the bullet and vote RFK and break the DNC and RNC stranglehold of “pick one or two”

Just sayin
You will never get the country to do the same. Waste of time.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver
Could always like bite the bullet and vote RFK and break the DNC and RNC stranglehold of “pick one or two”

Just sayin
I would vote for RFK if it's Trump vs Biden again.
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Originally Posted By Audioslave
A lot of these cases like New York case, documents case, etc haven't and aren't going to have any impact on Trump. The Georgia case is the only one that actually stuck out as problematic because there are a lot of indictments, a lot of people can flip, and it's the only one that has serious legal repercussions if there was a guilty verdict. The rest just feel like temporary distractions.

Trump gets the Republican nomination - hands down. He's not giving it to anybody. No deals are getting cut. I don't care how much his support might crumble he is sticking this thing out to the end. Tim Scott might be a fine choice and a better candidate for the election but he's not getting the nomination.

Harris is not getting the Democratic nomination. Honestly, she shouldn't even be on the ticket for VP this time around. On the other hand, Biden shouldn't even run at this point. He's better off handing his electors over to another candidate, maybe someone like Newsom who is getting a lot of face time with the public. But at this point, the Democrats should just avoid any type of "primary" because all it does is causes infighting within the party and then you get people splitting like we saw with Hillary and Bernie. So, Biden is better off taking this to the end and then handing his electors over to someone else. However, since there is no primary it needs to be someone with national name and facial recognition. Newsom will have a hard time defending some of his CA policies on a national stage, however he is well spoken, tall, has the right look, and people know who he is, and unfortunately all that stuff really matters.
I definitely agree re: Kamala. While I agree with the premise of the article, I do disagree with his take on Kamala. She is not getting the nomination under any scenario.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
This is why you are an idiot.
The fact that you think that's wrong is why you're a cultist.
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
The fact that you think that's wrong is why you're a cultist.
This is what an idiot would say
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Trump is going to just go away, "makes a deal for Tim Scott to take his place" (lolwut how does this work), also the "deal" doesn't allow Haley or DeSantis on the ticket (again how does this work), and Tim Scott beats Biden because he is polling better right now.


I mean this just sounds like the guy was sitting around dreaming up fantasy scenarios.
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
The fact that you think that's wrong is why you're a cultist.
this is what a cultist idiot would say
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After witnessing the extraordinarily suspicious vote count trajectory in 2020.... I literally think they could put a gust of wind on the ballot and trump would "lose" to it.
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Trump is crushing Biden. 2020 had literally nothing to do with Biden and was about the pandemic

OP also thinks Tim Scott is a better choice, who would lose in a landslide. Don't be like OP kids, he's never right
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
he's actually guilty of everything he's charged with.
This is the problem with libcucks. TDS so bad it shows in their thinking and writing. They want Trump gone so bad they create narratives in their heads, actually believe it and have zero self awareness of their illness.
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja
Trump is crushing Biden. 2020 had literally nothing to do with Biden and was about the pandemic

OP also thinks Tim Scott is a better choice, who would lose in a landslide. Don't be like OP kids, he's never right
Trump cannot win. The 2020 election was collusion from Republicans and Democrats in my opinion.

You know why that makes sense? Because they picked BIDEN.

Lmfao.
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I swear, it's insane what a simple election did to so many mentally weak individuals throughout the country.... And the world.
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
The fact that you think that's wrong is why you're a cultist.
The conservatives treat him like he's retarded child.

You can't take what he says at face value! It's not his fault he asked to Georgia SOS to find 11,000 votes!
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Originally Posted By Derplington
The conservatives treat him like he's retarded child.

You can't take what he says at face value! It's not his fault he asked to Georgia SOS to find 11,000 votes!
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Originally Posted By Duckliver
Could always like bite the bullet and vote RFK and break the DNC and RNC stranglehold of “pick one or two”

Just sayin
Voting for a third party/independent is like half of a vote for Biden at this point.
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Let's get behind Tim Scott. It's been too long since we had a ph@gg0t president, it's been an entire 8 years!
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Originally Posted By ColdandChilly
Let's get behind Tim Scott. It's been too long since we had a ph@gg0t president, it's been an entire 8 years!
Do you support MAGA?
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Originally Posted By XterraRob
Do you support MAGA?
What are the key principles of MAGA?
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
This pretty much aligns with what I've been saying all along. Trump can't win, and Biden can only win against Trump.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...down-with-him/


This is 100% true.The "left" is out to get Trump, but he's making it easy because all of his wounds are self-inflicted and he's actually guilty of everything he's charged with.Here's where it gets interesting:


This is just an opinion piece, but I agree. Both parties are playing chicken with each other propping up their worst possible candidates. The one who blinks first and replaces him with a more palatable choice has a great chance to win. I'd easily vote for Tim Scott over anyone else in the GOP or Dems right now.
Make that make sense breh.


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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN
Trump cannot win. The 2020 election was collusion from Republicans and Democrats in my opinion.

You know why that makes sense? Because they picked BIDEN.

Lmfao.
They picked Hillary, she lost. Biden won by 40k votes. Like literally could have gone either way. Biden needs to be up 5 point in general ballot to win and is losing by 5+. And a year from now Biden will be even worse.

It will be Newsom vs Trump anyway
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja
They picked Hillary, she lost.
And learned their lesson.

If that 2020 count trajectory had happened in NK, everyone would say how obviously stacked it was .... but because both groups of voters in the USA are being thrown under the bus, the parties have to act like it was all above board. Trump is a bigger threat to R politicians than biden would EVER be. This is a fact, and indicates obvious motive.
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja
They picked Hillary, she lost. Biden won by 40k votes. Like literally could have gone either way. Biden needs to be up 5 point in general ballot to win and is losing by 5+. And a year from now Biden will be even worse.

It will be Newsom vs Trump anyway
Newsom will run in 2028.
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
The fact that you think that's wrong is why you're a cultist.
He's not, and although I think you're a good enough dude, you have a bias against Trump. Thinking he's guilty ofeverythingthey've thrown against him? You do this every time, any weak sauce allegation against him you run with as if it was Gospel from the Heavens.

I'm not saying anything about any specific charge against Trump, because I don't know, but we know for a fact that at least some of it (if not quite a lot) is hogwash. Was it just yesterday the New York AG fell apart on the stand and couldn't even name the SOL? Put aside Georgia or any others for a moment, but if you can watch that chitshow and think it's not politically motivated, then you are far closer to being of the mindset of a cult than Dabbmw.

I'm not even voting for him in 2024, unless RFK Jr goes off the rails more (which, watching him march w/ Israel Zionist activists, maybe that will happen).
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I'm not a Trump supporter but believe he would be better than Biden. There is lots to the article that I disagree with. With that said, I think there to be some truth with it in some regards. I suspect with all the legal troubles Trump has he very well could find himself in a position that isn't positive for winning the election. Time will tell of course. People say one thing in polls, which I've noticed isn't always how they act and vote.

Another problem Trump has in my opinion is to often he can sound like a Democrat. He can sound like Biden. As an example ~


Is Trump running for a second Biden term?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...2024-elections


Despite outward appearances, President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump increasingly resemble each other. And they are taking steps to be even more alike.

Their old age — 80 and 77, respectively — is a key similarity everyone knows about and dislikes. Voters repeatedly tell pollsters they would prefer younger candidates. But the two men’s policies are also lining up with each other more than in the past and would deny voters a real choice on some issues if 2024 pits the two against the other, as looks horribly likely.

US OFFICIALS 'STRANGLING' STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP, AUSTRALIA WARNS

Trump, for example, is making a pitch for Big Labor’s support despite Biden claiming to be the most pro-union president in history. The former president is backing the United Auto Workers, which is on strike to squeeze a 40% pay hike and unfunded pension liabilities out of management at GM, Ford, and Stellantis. Trump intends to rally with the auto workers in Detroit to back them against management, a move that prompted state Rep. Mike McFall to tell the Wall Street Journal that Trump is “hitting a chord with some union workers.”

The GOP front-runner’s aim is to accelerate the exodus of blue-collar voters from the Democratic Party into the Republican camp. Democrats, sensing a real danger, want Biden to rush to the picket line and steal Trump’s thunder. A sitting president speaking on a picket line would be an extraordinary move. It suggests we’re on our way to having two candidates equally willing to demagogue against business and economic growth.

But it isn’t all Trump copying Biden. Although Biden reversed many of Trump’s policies when he took office in 2021, he notably kept Trump’s $362 billion worth of tariffs in place on imports from China. This has made manufactured goods more expensive for consumers but is intended to give the false impression that the president, like the former president, is on the side of ordinary workers. In reality, tariffs raise the prices of component parts and factory inputs such as steel, and they have cost more jobs than they have saved.

Trump, sticking his finger up in the wind to find out what he believes, is now also moving closer to Biden and away from his own party on abortion. It was Trump’s choice of three excellent originalist justices for the Supreme Court that led to the overturn of Roe v. Wade, the muddled and tendentious 1973 decision that invented a constitutional right to abortion.

Biden boasts about his support for abortion and made it a leading issue during congressional elections last year. He and Democrats are going to put it front and center again in 2024.

And where is Trump on the issue? He is now attacking his Republican rivals from the “pro-choice” Left’s position. He described Gov. Ron DeSantis’s endorsement of a ban on Florida abortions after six weeks of gestation as “a terrible thing and a terrible mistake.” He also refuses to say what limits he would find acceptable on abortion, which Democrats always do when they’re pretending they don’t support abortion up to the moment of birth.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE FROM THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER

Trump has never been a conservative. He has opposed reform of entitlements even though they’re careening toward insolvency, he is a big-government spender, he supports strikers making demands that would ruin companies if accepted, his trade policies are now those of the sitting Democrat, and he has turned against the pro-life policies of his own party.

It has long been understood that Trump could just as easily run as a Democrat. Now it is plainer than ever.
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