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post 1691425923 10-10-2023, 09:16 AM
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The far left and far right seem to come together on Israel more so than anything else

Never have I seen white supremacist right wingers and 21 year old student communists guzzle each others jizz more avidly than in their mutual hatred of Israel srs
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Libs showing their true colors on this one...
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Right wingers are just racist. Lefties are virtue signaling.

Not surprised.
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Originally Posted By LMAOatVatniks
Right wingers are just racist. Lefties are virtue signaling.

Not surprised.
Pretty apt description to be fair
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Originally Posted By isingmodel
Never have I seen white supremacist right wingers and 21 year old student communists guzzle each others jizz more avidly than in their mutual hatred of Israel srs
Mutual hatred of Israel? I thought libs are for Israel.
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Originally Posted By greenleaf
Mutual hatred of Israel? I thought libs are for Israel.
Libs will always side with the bottom feeders of the world. So of course they would side with Hamas......
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Originally Posted By greenleaf
Mutual hatred of Israel? I thought libs are for Israel.
From what I've seen over the years:

Far leftists: Rabidly anti Israel

Centre leftists: Neutral to mildly anti Israel, but denounce any harming of civilians from either side

Centre rightists: Pro Israel

Far rightists: Rabidly anti Israel
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Originally Posted By isingmodel
From what I've seen over the years:

Far leftists: Rabidly anti Israel

Centre leftists: Neutral to mildly anti Israel, but denounce any harming of civilians from either side

Centre rightists: Pro Israel

Far rightists: Rabidly anti Israel
Well, actresses and actors are now deleting their Stand with Israel posts, because they're being attacked by leftists online.

I mean, who do they think that Gal Gadot is gonna side with here? She literally served in the IDF.
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Originally Posted By LMAOatVatniks
Right wingers are just racist. Lefties are virtue signaling.

Not surprised.
No one has stronger in group preferences than Jews. And that theme is embedded all throughout Israel politically and culturally.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Any update on why you claimed that the AZ and J&J vaccines are "traditional vaccines"?

Did you flat out lie on purpose?

Or are you ready to admit you fell for one of the many lies perpetuated by the medical community via mass media?
They weren't mrna vaccines
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Any update on why you claimed that the AZ and J&J vaccines are "traditional vaccines"?

Did you flat out lie on purpose?

Or are you ready to admit you fell for one of the many lies perpetuated by the medical community via mass media?
How about we give that a rest for now?
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Originally Posted By greenleaf
Mutual hatred of Israel? I thought libs are for Israel.
Not so much...
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The Palestinian ambassador was on stage at the labour party conference.

As far as the UK goes, it is very much the left that froths at the mouth over jews/Israel.
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UK doesn't have a far right. They're right wingers are a bunch of spineless cucks. UK has been had an unholy alliance with Jews for a long time

See: Balfour Declaration
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Liberals see Palestine as a victim class, as part of the class struggle theme. In this, they justify great evil in the name of justice. They believe in holding grudges, rooted in resentment, to hold the new generation responsible for what the older generations did.

These individuals make up what is considered the antichrist, who will elect THE antichrist.

“The best camouflage for the serpent is compassion”. J Peterson

As for the right, this is where lefties get confused. They don’t realize that those they call the right are actually leftists, just like them, but they don’t recognize them because they don’t understand themselves. Then they end up supporting the far right inadvertently, like Islamic terrorist groups.
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I don’t care much for Israel either overall. They often getting special privileges because of ancient religious nonsense.


The “Palestinians” are clowns too.
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Originally Posted By Kraken
Liberals see Palestine as a victim class, as part of the class struggle theme. In this, they justify great evil in the name of justice. They believe in holding grudges, rooted in resentment, to hold the new generation responsible for what the older generations did.

These individuals make up what is considered the antichrist, who will elect THE antichrist.

“The best camouflage for the serpent is compassion”. J Peterson

As for the right, this is where lefties get confused. They don’t realize that those they call the right are actually leftists, just like them, but they don’t recognize them because they don’t understand themselves. Then they end up supporting the far right inadvertently, like Islamic terrorist groups.
Jews are the kings of portraying themselves as "victims" and holding onto grudges lol. It's so funny the mental gymnastics so many of you use to attack certain groups and don't realize how it also applies to Jews.

Jordan Peterson is one of the most pathetic Jewish cawk suckers on the planet. Says white identity and solidarity is bad and will lead to another holocaust but nothing wrong with Jewish solidarity and in group preference. Okay JP!
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Originally Posted By ColdandChilly
Jews are the kings of portraying themselves as "victims" and holding onto grudges lol. It's so funny the mental gymnastics so many of you use to attack certain groups and don't realize how it also applies to Jews.

Jordan Peterson is one of the most pathetic Jewish cawk suckers on the planet. Says white identity and solidarity is bad and will lead to another holocaust but nothing wrong with Jewish solidarity and in group preference. Okay JP!
To the first point, what do you mean “many of you” when replying to me?

To the second, you’re going to have to put up some references of JP saying these things. He stresses identity politics from the left, which includes politicians and those at the top, the elites, assigning oppressor and oppressed class, which can potentially lead to the right doing the same thing to justify their oppression of the former. The negative feedback loop of leftism/totalitarianism
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Originally Posted By Phil9
I don’t care much for Israel either overall. They often getting special privileges because of ancient religious nonsense.
Well no. They're the only democracy in the middle east.
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Pretty bad take op. Most on the right support Israel.
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Originally Posted By saltypits
Well no. They're the only democracy in the middle east.
But they're an ethno state. I thought that was bad? It's bad for white people to do it, they need to be multicultural but it's okay for Jews to do it.
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Originally Posted By Phil9
I don’t care much for Israel either overall. They often getting special privileges because of ancient religious nonsense.


The “Palestinians” are clowns too.
What are these special privileges you speak of? You realize they’re the most tolerant and best country in the region to live in for pretty much anyone right?
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Originally Posted By LMAOatVatniks
Right wingers are just racist. Lefties are virtue signaling.

Not surprised.
Left and right are equally racist just to different groups and leftists identify and attempt at helping groups they are racist towards.


You can’t make your whole identity and world view revolve around what race people are, without being a racist.

Did you even read the DNC emails about black voters?

Do you understand LBJ’s stance on welfare and how he talked about black people?
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Originally Posted By TheCore84
What are these special privileges you speak of? You realize they’re the most tolerant and best country in the region to live in for pretty much anyone right?
The head of the Roman Catholic church in the Holy Land has warned in an interview that Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right government has made life worse for Christians in the birthplace of Christianity.

The Vatican-appointed Latin Patriarch, Pierbattista Pizzaballa, said that the region’s 2,000-year-old Christian community has come under increasing attack, with the most rightwing government in Israel’s history emboldening extremists who have harassed clergy and vandalised religious property at a quickening pace.

The increase in anti-Christian incidents comes as the Israeli settler movement, galvanised by its allies in government, appears to have seized the moment to expand its enterprise in the contested capital.

“The frequency of these attacks, the aggressions, has become something new,” Pizzaballa told the AP. “These people feel they are protected … that the cultural and political atmosphere now can justify, or tolerate, actions against Christians.”

Pizzaballa’s concerns appear to undercut Israel’s stated commitment to freedom of worship, enshrined in the declaration that marked its founding 75 years ago. The Israeli government stressed it prioritises religious freedom and relations with the churches, which have powerful links abroad.

“Israel’s commitment to freedom of religion has been important to us forever,” said Tania Berg-Rafaeli, the director of the world religions department at the Israeli foreign ministry. “It’s the case for all religions and all minorities that have free access to holy sites.”

But Christians say they feel authorities don’t protect their sites from targeted attacks. And tensions have surged after an Israeli police raid on the holy al-Aqsa mosque compound set off outrage among Muslims, and a regional confrontation last week.

Hostility towards minority Christians is nothing new in the teeming Old City, a crucible of tension that the Israeli government annexed in 1967.

But now Netanyahu’s far-right government includes settler leaders in key roles – such as the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, and the national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, who holds criminal convictions from 2007 for incitement of anti-Arab racism and support for a Jewish militant group.

Their influence has empowered Israeli settlers seeking to entrench Jewish control of the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, alarming church leaders who see such efforts – including government plans to create a national park on the Mount of Olives – as a threat to the Christian presence in the holy city. Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of their hoped-for state.

“The rightwing elements are out to Judaise the Old City and the other lands, and we feel nothing is holding them back now,” said Father Don Binder, a pastor at St George’s Anglican Cathedral in Jerusalem. “Churches have been the major stumbling block.”

The roughly 15,000 Christians in Jerusalem today, the majority of them Palestinians, were once 27,000 – before hardships that followed the 1967 war spurred many in the traditionally prosperous group to emigrate.

Now, 2023 is shaping up to be the worst year for Christians in a decade, according to Yusef Daher from the Jerusalem Inter-Church Centre, a group that coordinates between the denominations.

Physical assaults and harassment of clergy often go unreported, the centre said. It has documented at least seven serious cases of vandalism of church properties from January to mid-March – a sharp increase from six anti-Christian cases recorded throughout 2022. Church leaders blame Israeli extremists for most of them, and say they fear further escalation.

“This escalation will bring more and more violence,” Pizzaballa said. “It will create a situation that will be very difficult to correct.”

In March, two Israelis burst into the basilica beside the Garden of Gethsemane, where the Virgin Mary is said to have been buried. They pounced on a priest with a metal rod before being arrested.

In February, a religious American Jew yanked a 10-foot rendering of Christ from its pedestal and smashed it on to the floor, striking its face with a hammer a dozen times at the Church of the Flagellation on the Via Dolorosa, along which it is believed Jesus hauled his cross toward his crucifixion. “No idols in the holy city of Jerusalem!” he yelled.


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Originally Posted By ColdandChilly
But they're an ethno state. I thought that was bad? It's bad for white people to do it, they need to be multicultural but it's okay for Jews to do it.
An ethno state with Arab citizens and Arab politicians???
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Never have I seen white supremacist right wingers and 21 year old student communists guzzle each others jizz more avidly than in their mutual hatred of Israel srs
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Originally Posted By isingmodel
From what I've seen over the years:

Far leftists: Rabidly anti Israel

Centre leftists: Neutral to mildly anti Israel, but denounce any harming of civilians from either side

Centre rightists: Pro Israel

Far rightists: Rabidly anti Israel
I'd put myself in this label, but generally lean more right than left.

Imo, I think there is a lot to criticize and even hate Israel over. I hate seeing how fast people equate all Jews together, though. Like in any war, the people dying on both sides are largely innocent. Even the thugs in Hamas, as brutal and sickening as what we are seeing, even they are largely young indoctrinated fools duped into this. You don't see elder Islamic leaders strapping bombs to their chests.

Part of me wonders, I can sit back and judge so neatly all this -- what about me and what about most Americans? I dislike the policies of Israel (Hamas for that matter) but what about the policies of the USA? I see myself and most Americans as largely powerless to do much about it, not like a 'vote' towards two corrupt war-mongering piece of **** parties has any sway on anything. To what extent does that translate to Palestinians or Israelis? Are the majority of them just as powerless as I am in their respective situations and now having their homes destroyed, families killed, watching bombs destroy their communities or monsters allegedly beheading babies?

People seem so quick to jump to a side and it's either, "death to jews" or "**** Palestinians" but what are the chances the majority of them are probably a lot closer to being like us, just regular people trying to navigate and live their lives, trapped by a bull**** corrupt power structure where they end up fodder, meanwhile I can promise you there are people right now making millions in profit because of this -- and there always will be.

To me, if I'm going to start blaming anyone, it's not the people dying on either side. How about the powerful rich politicians and so-called leaders, and not just there but plenty here in the USA who are either partly to blame or jumping at the opportunity here to make money?
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Originally Posted By ViolentZ
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What a shocker, you're siding with the inbred bottom feeders.....
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Originally Posted By ColdandChilly
The head of the Roman Catholic church in the Holy Land has warned in an interview that Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right government has made life worse for Christians in the birthplace of Christianity.

The Vatican-appointed Latin Patriarch, Pierbattista Pizzaballa, said that the region’s 2,000-year-old Christian community has come under increasing attack, with the most rightwing government in Israel’s history emboldening extremists who have harassed clergy and vandalised religious property at a quickening pace.

The increase in anti-Christian incidents comes as the Israeli settler movement, galvanised by its allies in government, appears to have seized the moment to expand its enterprise in the contested capital.

“The frequency of these attacks, the aggressions, has become something new,” Pizzaballa told the AP. “These people feel they are protected … that the cultural and political atmosphere now can justify, or tolerate, actions against Christians.”

Pizzaballa’s concerns appear to undercut Israel’s stated commitment to freedom of worship, enshrined in the declaration that marked its founding 75 years ago. The Israeli government stressed it prioritises religious freedom and relations with the churches, which have powerful links abroad.

“Israel’s commitment to freedom of religion has been important to us forever,” said Tania Berg-Rafaeli, the director of the world religions department at the Israeli foreign ministry. “It’s the case for all religions and all minorities that have free access to holy sites.”

But Christians say they feel authorities don’t protect their sites from targeted attacks. And tensions have surged after an Israeli police raid on the holy al-Aqsa mosque compound set off outrage among Muslims, and a regional confrontation last week.

Hostility towards minority Christians is nothing new in the teeming Old City, a crucible of tension that the Israeli government annexed in 1967.

But now Netanyahu’s far-right government includes settler leaders in key roles – such as the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, and the national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, who holds criminal convictions from 2007 for incitement of anti-Arab racism and support for a Jewish militant group.

Their influence has empowered Israeli settlers seeking to entrench Jewish control of the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, alarming church leaders who see such efforts – including government plans to create a national park on the Mount of Olives – as a threat to the Christian presence in the holy city. Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of their hoped-for state.

“The rightwing elements are out to Judaise the Old City and the other lands, and we feel nothing is holding them back now,” said Father Don Binder, a pastor at St George’s Anglican Cathedral in Jerusalem. “Churches have been the major stumbling block.”

The roughly 15,000 Christians in Jerusalem today, the majority of them Palestinians, were once 27,000 – before hardships that followed the 1967 war spurred many in the traditionally prosperous group to emigrate.

Now, 2023 is shaping up to be the worst year for Christians in a decade, according to Yusef Daher from the Jerusalem Inter-Church Centre, a group that coordinates between the denominations.

Physical assaults and harassment of clergy often go unreported, the centre said. It has documented at least seven serious cases of vandalism of church properties from January to mid-March – a sharp increase from six anti-Christian cases recorded throughout 2022. Church leaders blame Israeli extremists for most of them, and say they fear further escalation.

“This escalation will bring more and more violence,” Pizzaballa said. “It will create a situation that will be very difficult to correct.”

In March, two Israelis burst into the basilica beside the Garden of Gethsemane, where the Virgin Mary is said to have been buried. They pounced on a priest with a metal rod before being arrested.

In February, a religious American Jew yanked a 10-foot rendering of Christ from its pedestal and smashed it on to the floor, striking its face with a hammer a dozen times at the Church of the Flagellation on the Via Dolorosa, along which it is believed Jesus hauled his cross toward his crucifixion. “No idols in the holy city of Jerusalem!” he yelled.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...land-patriarch

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While I appreciate you re-posting a source that I posted it in another thread, it failed to address what he actually said.

If you wanted to make an argument against his post, now you need to post references of the regions surrounding Israel as being more tolerant. Otherwise, you failed to make a valid argument.

If we look at surrounding regions, like Azerbaijan and Armenia, there is active ethnic cleansing happening. It's my fear that the lobbying and influence is spreading into Israel

The reason I posted this article in the first place, is that we need to be cautious in maintaining Israel as an ally. Ideals need to be reaffirmed and make sure that Netanyahu maintains peace and stops the direction that he is headed with the appointment of certain officials
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
"To Call something fair or unfair is a subjective value judgment and not liable to any verification" Ludwig Von Mises
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