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post 1696053033 01-08-2024, 04:13 AM
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Boing down over 13 billion pre-market

And the black box audio was accidentally erased....

Can't make this up
Key Piece of Boeing 737 Found in Hunt for Clues on Plane Blowout

Investigators describe pressure warnings on earlier flights
Boeing, supplier Spirit AeroSystems slide premarket in US


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US air-safety officials retrieved the fuselage panel that blew off during an Alaska Airlines flight on Jan. 5, as authorities begin piecing together evidence to learn what led to the sudden decompression on the almost-new Boeing Co. 737 Max 9 aircraft.

The finding will aid investigators examining what went wrong on Flight 1282, which was carrying 171 passengers from Portland, Oregon, when the accident forced pilots to turn back. Boeing slumped in premarket US trading as investors assess the effect on production and any long-term harm to the planemaker’s outlook and reputation.


While no one was seriously injured, National Transportation Safety Board Chair Jennifer Homendy said only luck prevented a more disastrous outcome. The US Federal Aviation Administration has temporarily grounded the Max 9 for safety checks, affecting 171 aircraft around the world, most of which are in the US, where Alaska and United Airlines Holdings Inc. are the biggest operators.

The recovery of the door plug is an important breakthrough in the investigation, though the NTSB hasn’t been able to secure some other key evidence. The jet’s cockpit voice recorder, which has a two-hour recording time, was overridden and that data has been lost.Investigators will also look into the airline’s handling of several pressure warnings on previous flights, Homendy said.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s?srnd=premium
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
And the black box audio was accidentally erased....

Can't make this up





https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s?srnd=premium
Yeah the pilots could have pulled the CB for the CVR after landing to avoid the audio being overwritten after 2 hours. Not sure what the SOPs at AS are for this kind of event so I can't claim pilot negligence without knowing all the facts.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
Yeah the pilots could have pulled the CB for the CVR after landing to avoid the audio being overwritten after 2 hours. Not sure what the SOPs at AS are for this kind of event so I can't claim pilot negligence without knowing all the facts.
Spirit, aarosystems/ the maker of the panel - is getting the blame - their stock tanking


https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPR?.tsrc=applewf
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Spirit, aarosystems/ the maker of the panel - is getting the blame - their stock tanking


https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPR?.tsrc=applewf
We still don't know whether this is a defective part or a defective installation of the part at the Boeing factory though. As far as I know the door is installed by Boeing themselves, but I could be wrong.

It's interesting that Spirit was spun off from Boeing a couple of decades ago. I wonder if Boeing will now take control and even buy back Spirit under the guise of damage control.

EDIT: Seems I was wrong about Boeing installing the doors/plugs. Apparently Spirit does that.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
Yeah the pilots could have pulled the CB for the CVR after landing to avoid the audio being overwritten after 2 hours. Not sure what the SOPs at AS are for this kind of event so I can't claim pilot negligence without knowing all the facts.
The 737 Max were the ones that crashed a couple years ago on takeoff too right? Something about some new feature autocorrecting the pitch of the plane and the pilots didn't know about it?
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This is the 9 series

The one they put extra doors in into Cranmore passengers for normally budget airlines.

The eights are made with the same frame, but have plugs in instead of doors.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
The 737 Max were the ones that crashed a couple years ago on takeoff too right? Something about some new feature autocorrecting the pitch of the plane and the pilots didn't know about it?
Yep, the MAX is troubled. Aside from the door issue, last month it was found that nuts on the rudder mechanism had not been properly tightened and in at least one instance the nut had fallen off. You're thinking of the MCAS issue on the first MAX airplanes. Boeing added this (without telling pilots) in order to save $ (I think there's a pattern here with beancounters being in charge and worshipping muh shareholder returns and executive bonuses). Boeing thought adding MCAS would alleviate the need for pilot training thereby saving themselves $1m per aircraft sold to Southwest. The MCAS debacle cost Boeing billions of dollars in the end though.
Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
This is the 9 series

The one they put extra doors in into Cranmore passengers for normally budget airlines.

The eights are made with the same frame, but have plugs in instead of doors.
The AS a/c had a plug instead of a door. High density version, such as those flown by Ryanair have the door instead of the plug (the door in the high density versions has an associated escape slide and a pressure release mechanism). It's interesting that the same plug is used on non high density version of the 737-900 (non MAX) and has been for years.
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It was interesting (to me at least) that what they call a "plug" is more of a rarely used hatch. It still has hinges and can be partially opened outwards during maintenance and inspection.

I imagined a plug in a pressure vessel to be a simple piece installed from the inside that could only be removed inward.
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According to The Air Current (a subscription based aviation industry news source):
United has found loose bolts and other items on 737 Max 9 plug doors as it inspects its fleet...according to three people familiar with the findings. The discrepant bolts and other parts have been found on at least five aircraft, one of the people told The Air Current.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
According to The Air Current (a subscription based aviation industry news source):
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
The funniest part? They can't fire them for poor work performance or damage control because that's considered discrimination.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
According to The Air Current (a subscription based aviation industry news source):
United has found loose bolts and other items on 737 Max 9 plug doors as it inspects its fleet...according to three people familiar with the findings. The discrepant bolts and other parts have been found on at least five aircraft, one of the people told The Air Current.
Dang, at least United is lucky enough to even have bolts.
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Now it's coming out that the FAA was already aware of the door issues on this plane and while they could have grounded it, they instead just restricted it from flying over water until it could be fixed. This whole thing was completely avoidable.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
Yeah the pilots could have pulled the CB for the CVR after landing to avoid the audio being overwritten after 2 hours. Not sure what the SOPs at AS are for this kind of event so I can't claim pilot negligence without knowing all the facts.
I am of the belief that this event was known before it occurred.

I was just tellin my pop that its time to buy puts on boeing but I couldn't really tell him why besides "Charts predict the future".

If you know how to read a stock chart, you could see that Boeing had to come down sharply in the near future but you couldn't tell anyone the catalyst to get the ball rolling unless you had inside info. I told my dad yesterday that someone connected to this event did this on purpose and that charts predict the future. I don't know why they would do this but the evidence is piling up, the chart said it would happen, the CVR was erased, the use of these types of doors in other planes and what the FAA knew before hand.
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
You say its Black folks, I say its jews being deceptive and shiesty again, I'm sure we both look crazy lol.
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
When you see headlines like that, just imagine how much diversity hiring they have been doing in general.



When will they learn? ESG can cost you everything.
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BUY BUY BUY you dweebs.
Not yet lol. Little more bleeding first
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Dang, at least United is lucky enough to even have bolts.
Wonder what else has been incorrectly assembled on modern Boeing aircraft? We've seen other issues with Boeing:

On the 737 MAX
- MCAS
- loose rudder bolts
- and now the plug door fiasco
- elongated (rather than round) fastener holes on the rear pressure bulkhead

Other Boeing aircraft
- tools, parts, debris left inside KC-46 deliveries
- current grounding of Osprey V-22

- forward pressure bulkhead issues on 787 causing pause in deliveries
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...aa-2023-02-23/

- horizontal stabilizer issue
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...gs-2023-06-06/


Comments from Tim Clark, Emirates CEO:
https://www.businessinsider.com/boei...-alaska-2024-1
"They've had quality control problems for a long time now, and this is just another manifestation of that," Tim Clark, president of Emirates, told Bloomberg. His comments come just days after part of a Boeing 737 Max operated by Alaska Airlines separated in-flight from its fuselage, forcing an emergency landing. "I think they're getting their act together now, but this doesn't help."
Originally Posted By Zelensky⏩
Now it's coming out that the FAA was already aware of the door issues on this plane and while they could have grounded it, they instead just restricted it from flying over water until it could be fixed. This whole thing was completely avoidable.
It as AS that decided no over water flights, not the FAA.
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
You say its Black folks, I say its jews being deceptive and shiesty again, I'm sure we both look crazy lol.
I say when you have leadership focused on the wrong things, things go wrong.
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Originally Posted By DeshaunWatson⏩
Not yet lol. Little more bleeding first
agreed not yet. $220+ isn't a great price when it was around $180 a few months ago anyway.
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Boeing are fukking crooked and this is an example of why regulatory capture is chit. You let industries that are meant to be regulated by exterior entities regulate themselves, and you will get guaranteed cut corners.


The chit thing is, for like an extra 2 billion a year you can put full control back into FAA's hands and pass the cost onto the airlines, since the business generates 155 billion a year.

Back in the day, CEOs of aviation companies were actually aviation qualified in some sense, now it's Harvard MBAs who only care about short term prices.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Fully 80% of the new class of pilots they graduated are women and/or non whites.



Also, United partners with Elizabeth State University, an HBCU which had the distinction in the 1980s of being the only university in which the average SAT math score was lower than that score which would have been produced if a person had guessed "B" on all the multiple choice questions on the test from the previous year.
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Originally Posted By Zelensky⏩
Fully 80% of the new class of pilots they graduated are women and/or non whites.



Also, United partners with Elizabeth State University, an HBCU which had the distinction in the 1980s of being the only university in which the average SAT math score was lower than that score which would have been produced if a person had guessed "B" on all the multiple choice questions on the test from the previous year.
A lady that works for me, her son graduated college and got a PPL, and has applied to every major airline to start their training programs and has been waitlisted by all of them because he is a white male.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
A lady that works for me, her son graduated college and got a PPL, and has applied to every major airline to start their training programs and has been waitlisted by all of them because he is a white male.
He should claim hispanic or native american ethnicity on his applications (srs). They're not legally allowed to question it and they don't care to since they get to include that representation in their stats if they hire you
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