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Thread: Am I below, at, or above my natty potential?

post 1696055873 01-08-2024, 06:11 AM
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Am I below, at, or above my natty potential?

Edit: avi updated to current status.

I took hdrol, havoc, and pmag cycles back in 2011-2013. Also dabbled in clen.

10+ years later, I’m 10lbs heavier than depicted and prob 3% fatter (and 90% less tan).

I’m curious what you guys think. Would I have ever gotten to 205 if it weren’t for those cycles? Am I at my natural potential now, or still enhanced even from all those years ago. Orrrr, is there room to go natty?

Disclaimer. I don’t compete and will gladly claim not natty. Idc. I just thought about this the other day and wanted to see other opinions.

My opinion: I’m at or near natural potential, but probably wouldn’t have gotten this far without those cycles that expedited the process and made me yolked from skinny fat. (Still, I was too young and dumb. At least I did PCT).

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post 1696056253 01-08-2024, 06:20 AM
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based on the pics I'd say yes
post 1696056393 01-08-2024, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted By UnknownTee⏩
Where are the fukin pics chit head? Do you still look like this?

10lbs heavier and a little fatter. I don’t have douche pics on hand these days.
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post 1696056523 01-08-2024, 06:27 AM
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I mean if youre natty & been stalled for a long time, probably.
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No you cannot claim natty. If you trained hard on those cycles and built a ton of muscle, the myonuclei still exists. The more myonuclei you have, the more muscle potential you have.
We here report that episodic treatment with steroids induced larger fibres with more myonuclei. These extra myonuclei were not lost even months after the muscle size had returned to normal upon drug removal. When such muscles were subjected to overload exercise, however, they grew much faster than controls.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...han%20controls.
post 1696057013 01-08-2024, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted By AdvancedDreamer⏩
No you cannot claim natty. If you trained hard on those cycles and built a ton of muscle, the myonuclei still exists. The more myonuclei you have, the more muscle potential you have.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...han%20controls.
I’m not interested in claiming natty. In fact, considering how many people took prohormones cycles 10-20 years ago and now look like ****, I’m kinda proud of it.

I figured there was something biological that would make maintenance somewhat easier. Thanks!
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post 1696057683 01-08-2024, 07:08 AM
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After a decade of serious lifting and dieting you'll be within striking distance of natty potential if not there. At that point all the muscle gains ahve been made and its really just body fat manipulation that makes or breaks the continuation of physique progress.

Is the avi pre or post juice?
Also after having a cycle of HAVOC in your system, did you find yourself more attracted to obese women's behinds?
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post 1696058273 01-08-2024, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted By AdvancedDreamer⏩
No you cannot claim natty. If you trained hard on those cycles and built a ton of muscle, the myonuclei still exists. The more myonuclei you have, the more muscle potential you have.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...han%20controls.
He's literally not claiming that you dumb f*cking retard. He even specifically asks if he's "above his natty potential".... how can one be above their natty potential and be claiming natty?

Just lmao at thinking you're smug with your links when you're literally not even comprehending what's being said ITT. Go f*cking play in traffic. You're way too stupid to have a conversation with anyone.
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post 1696058333 01-08-2024, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted By naich⏩
After a decade of serious lifting and dieting you'll be within striking distance of natty potential if not there. At that point all the muscle gains ahve been made and its really just body fat manipulation that makes or breaks the continuation of physique progress.

Is the avi pre or post juice?
Also after having a cycle of HAVOC in your system, did you find yourself more attracted to obese women's behinds?
Avi was after my last cycle/PCT and then a clen cut.

I’ll get a pic up here in a few days to show current condition. 205 and pretty lean. Training for a marathon now like a moron so not as thick as I’d like, but it’s essentially a free cut.

Edit: not sure about the obese butt part. Lol
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post 1696058353 01-08-2024, 07:23 AM
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Don’t worry about chit you can’t do anything about boyo
post 1696060973 01-08-2024, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted By hardwork08⏩
Avi was after my last cycle/PCT and then a clen cut.

I’ll get a pic up here in a few days to show current condition. 205 and pretty lean. Training for a marathon now like a moron so not as thick as I’d like, but it’s essentially a free cut.

Edit: not sure about the obese butt part. Lol
Dont worry about the pic, all good.

Good luck on the running goals, calves are about to pop, rest is about to deflate lol.
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post 1696067713 01-08-2024, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted By naich⏩
Dont worry about the pic, all good.

Good luck on the running goals, calves are about to pop, rest is about to deflate lol.
Bro, you’re not wrong. Calves are getting worked like never before.

Im not trying to run a great time. Just want to finish at a 10 mile pace. Did my 16 miler yesterday at 9:57 avg pace and it was uneventful other than last 100m dry heaving from a mad stomach. Gotta figure out a gel that works for me.
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post 1696068243 01-08-2024, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
He's literally not claiming that you dumb f*cking retard. He even specifically asks if he's "above his natty potential".... how can one be above their natty potential and be claiming natty?

Just lmao at thinking you're smug with your links when you're literally not even comprehending what's being said ITT. Go f*cking play in traffic. You're way too stupid to have a conversation with anyone.
>I’m not claiming natty
>am I close to my natty potential
post 1696071623 01-08-2024, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted By AdvancedDreamer⏩
>I’m not claiming natty
>am I close to my natty potential
Man, I don’t think you’re advocating for yourself the way you think you are.
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Originally Posted By hardwork08⏩
Man, I don’t think you’re advocating for yourself the way you think you are.
The idea of a natural potential goes out the window once you use PEDs. This whole thread is just silly in general.
post 1696072123 01-08-2024, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted By AdvancedDreamer⏩
>I’m not claiming natty
>am I close to my natty potential
There is no inconsistency. He's admitting he's not natty but asking if he is at or beyond what his natty max would be. Seems like it's just out of curiosity like "Had I not done PEDs, is this where I would max out?"
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Originally Posted By bradlehman⏩
There is no inconsistency. He's admitting he's not natty but asking if he is at or beyond what his natty max would be. Seems like it's just out of curiosity like "Had I not done PEDs, is this where I would max out?"
It is dumb question though. Unless op was traning and dieting like a total retard the whole time he was using peds, he is without a doubt beyond his own (not saying everyone's) natty potential.
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
It is dumb question though. Unless op was traning and dieting like a total retard the whole time he was using peds, he is without a doubt beyond his own (not saying everyone's) natty potential.
Let me get a good pump pic on here in the next few days. I’m curious because over the last 10-11 years I was in the military, lifting and diet were off and on, and I drank too much.

However, right now, even with training for a marathon, I feel like I look pretty damn decent. So, without having a magic 8 ball, I was curious what the consensus would be: would I have ended up like this anyway albeit slower and possibly would have lost motivation.
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You’d be a skinny wimp if you were natty
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Originally Posted By AshWar⏩
You’d be a skinny wimp if you were natty
Knew it. Case closed, fellas.
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post 1696110413 01-09-2024, 06:47 AM
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I allegedly updated my profile pic. This was last night, no pump, post cold plunge.

I’ve been lifting twice a week (legs/back/bis; push) the last 3 months due to marathon training. Chest and thighs are taking the biggest hit so far.

So ignore my old picture, look at my current picture.

A) is that my natural limit?
B) would I have gotten this far without ph cycles a decade ago (assuming I stuck with the natty grind)
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