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01-27-2024, 09:56 PM
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Second Largest US Aluminum plant laying most workers off
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/secon...132613439.html
Reading this article has me asking 2 questions:
1) Why are our industries dying? (rhetorical)
2) Why are we accepting manufactured goods from countries that do not have our same environmental and worker safety standards, and minimum wage standards?
We've exported the chit that we want to eliminate here, along with our jobs. Few weeks ago US Steel being bought out by Nippon Steel, and now this. We are at risk of becoming an irrelevant has been superpower, if we're not in a terminal state of decline already. This is happening everywhere, food production also comes to mind.
Reading this article has me asking 2 questions:
1) Why are our industries dying? (rhetorical)
2) Why are we accepting manufactured goods from countries that do not have our same environmental and worker safety standards, and minimum wage standards?
We've exported the chit that we want to eliminate here, along with our jobs. Few weeks ago US Steel being bought out by Nippon Steel, and now this. We are at risk of becoming an irrelevant has been superpower, if we're not in a terminal state of decline already. This is happening everywhere, food production also comes to mind.
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01-27-2024, 10:00 PM
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01-27-2024, 10:13 PM
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America isn't competitive any longer, plain and simple.
Musk was on record saying if tariffs aren't implemented China is going to bring down the US car industry.
Thank Kissinger lol.
He opened the way for Chinese hegemony.
Musk was on record saying if tariffs aren't implemented China is going to bring down the US car industry.
Thank Kissinger lol.
He opened the way for Chinese hegemony.
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01-27-2024, 10:17 PM
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Because jews are getting richer and thats the only thing that matters to this country
01-27-2024, 10:18 PM
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01-27-2024, 10:19 PM
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Too many HR problems and law suits with employees using incorrect pronouns is my guess
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01-27-2024, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Fuk off, you don't know what you are talking about.America isn't competitive any longer, plain and simple.
Musk was on record saying if tariffs are implemented China is going to bring down the US car industry.
Thank Kissinger lol.
He opened the way for Chinese hegemony.
Musk was on record saying if tariffs are implemented China is going to bring down the US car industry.
Thank Kissinger lol.
He opened the way for Chinese hegemony.
The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
Now posting posthumous.
01-27-2024, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted By henrykissinger⏩
strongest thread entrance with legit join date to post content everFuk off, you don't know what you are talking about.
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01-27-2024, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
America moved manufacturing overseas because of regulations and wanting to save a few dollars by getting cheap labor and making shïttier products. It's not competition when huge corporations don't have an incentive to produce domestically and hire domestic workers.America isn't competitive any longer, plain and simple.
Musk was on record saying if tariffs are implemented China is going to bring down the US car industry.
Thank Kissinger lol.
He opened the way for Chinese hegemony.
Musk was on record saying if tariffs are implemented China is going to bring down the US car industry.
Thank Kissinger lol.
He opened the way for Chinese hegemony.
But hey, Joe Biden doesn't work for us. Said it himself to UAW workers.
Wort ew in th wold.
01-27-2024, 11:11 PM
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I see a lot of Biden hate, as if this started under his administration. I despise his administration as much as the next guy, but this attitude is a part of the problem IMO.
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01-27-2024, 11:32 PM
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The aluminum production plummeted in 2015 to mid 2016 - mainly due to energy cost.
By summer of 2016 it was pretty much over.
When you look back at the history of aluminum, the US has several a hydroelectric dam, and another projects- that were created for the purpose of making aluminum. TVA for example....
https://www.tva.com/about-tva/our-hi...the-wilderness
There was a slight recovery 2017 2019 , but nothing significant since the steep drop off in 2015/2016
The only way stop this really is gut the regulations in electricity production - so this prob won't slow down anytime soon....
This story is more about cost/regulation of energy production in the US than anything else
I guess cutting production my more than 50% was Obama's last year gift
By summer of 2016 it was pretty much over.
SEPTEMBER 12, 2017
U.S. primary aluminum production remains low despite slow increase in prices
Since January 2015, the production of primary aluminum in the United States has fallen by more than 50%. The United States consistently produced about 140,000 metric tons of aluminum each month until mid-2015, when output slowed significantly. Since April 2016, primary aluminum production has averaged around 60,000 metric tons per month, even as aluminum prices have slowly increased.
Primary production of aluminum is more price-sensitive than secondary production of aluminum (i.e., recycling). In the U.S. Geological Survey’s monthly mineral industry survey for aluminum, the Midwest price is the typical benchmark for U.S. trade, and the London price is the typical benchmark for international trade. Although the recent downturn in U.S. primary production of aluminum was initially attributed to declining aluminum prices, the price of aluminum has nearly returned to early 2015 levels, while primary aluminum smelting levels remain relatively low.
Several other factors have contributed to the recent decline in domestic primary aluminum production, including higher labor costs and the strength of the U.S. dollar. Primary aluminum production is extremely energy-intensive and uses electricity throughout the smelting operation.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=32872U.S. primary aluminum production remains low despite slow increase in prices
Since January 2015, the production of primary aluminum in the United States has fallen by more than 50%. The United States consistently produced about 140,000 metric tons of aluminum each month until mid-2015, when output slowed significantly. Since April 2016, primary aluminum production has averaged around 60,000 metric tons per month, even as aluminum prices have slowly increased.
Primary production of aluminum is more price-sensitive than secondary production of aluminum (i.e., recycling). In the U.S. Geological Survey’s monthly mineral industry survey for aluminum, the Midwest price is the typical benchmark for U.S. trade, and the London price is the typical benchmark for international trade. Although the recent downturn in U.S. primary production of aluminum was initially attributed to declining aluminum prices, the price of aluminum has nearly returned to early 2015 levels, while primary aluminum smelting levels remain relatively low.
Several other factors have contributed to the recent decline in domestic primary aluminum production, including higher labor costs and the strength of the U.S. dollar. Primary aluminum production is extremely energy-intensive and uses electricity throughout the smelting operation.
When you look back at the history of aluminum, the US has several a hydroelectric dam, and another projects- that were created for the purpose of making aluminum. TVA for example....
https://www.tva.com/about-tva/our-hi...the-wilderness
There was a slight recovery 2017 2019 , but nothing significant since the steep drop off in 2015/2016
The only way stop this really is gut the regulations in electricity production - so this prob won't slow down anytime soon....
This story is more about cost/regulation of energy production in the US than anything else
I guess cutting production my more than 50% was Obama's last year gift
01-27-2024, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to gachase21 again.The aluminum production plummeted in 2015 to mid 2016 - mainly due to energy cost.
By summer of 2016 it was pretty much over.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=32872
When you look back at the history of aluminum, the US has several a hydroelectric dam, and another projects- that were created for the purpose of making aluminum. TVA for example....
https://www.tva.com/about-tva/our-hi...the-wilderness
There was a slight recovery 2017 2019 , but nothing significant since the steep drop off in 2015/2016
The only way stop this really is gut the regulations in electricity production - so this prob won't slow down anytime soon....
This story is more about cost/regulation of energy production in the US than anything else
I guess cutting production my more than 50% was Obama's last year gift
By summer of 2016 it was pretty much over.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=32872
When you look back at the history of aluminum, the US has several a hydroelectric dam, and another projects- that were created for the purpose of making aluminum. TVA for example....
https://www.tva.com/about-tva/our-hi...the-wilderness
There was a slight recovery 2017 2019 , but nothing significant since the steep drop off in 2015/2016
The only way stop this really is gut the regulations in electricity production - so this prob won't slow down anytime soon....
This story is more about cost/regulation of energy production in the US than anything else
I guess cutting production my more than 50% was Obama's last year gift
Thanks for getting to the heart of the issue.
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01-28-2024, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Bold: Arent?America isn't competitive any longer, plain and simple.
Musk was on record saying if tariffsareimplemented China is going to bring down the US car industry.
Thank Kissinger lol.
He opened the way for Chinese hegemony.
Musk was on record saying if tariffsareimplemented China is going to bring down the US car industry.
Thank Kissinger lol.
He opened the way for Chinese hegemony.
01-28-2024, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted By RIKTER⏩
Correct. Error on my part.Bold: Arent?
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01-28-2024, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis⏩
Or you could read the article, where it clearly states why they're closing the plant...Too many HR problems and law suits with employees using incorrect pronouns is my guess
Due to abnormally cold weather, our operations have been severely impaired to the point where they cannot be restored while running
01-28-2024, 07:24 AM
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01-28-2024, 08:30 AM
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Shareholders don't see much ROI in there anymore.
There are much better investments globally.
So why bother losing money here?
You can blame Obama/Biden/Libs all you want like you're conditioned by Fox News.
But reality is shareholders (most likely controlled by Jews) wanna see their capital grow somewhere else.
This is how capitalism works.
There are much better investments globally.
So why bother losing money here?
You can blame Obama/Biden/Libs all you want like you're conditioned by Fox News.
But reality is shareholders (most likely controlled by Jews) wanna see their capital grow somewhere else.
This is how capitalism works.
01-28-2024, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted By -JR⏩
Let's see what the misc has to say...Why?
Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Kissinger
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jews
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Biden!
Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis⏩
incorrect pronouns
Originally Posted By ClivesTriceps⏩
corporations
Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
cost/regulation of energy production
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Or you could read the article, where it clearly states why they're closing the plant...
01-28-2024, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Yes, but that fails to explain the entire industry's overall decline for the past 25 years. I noticed zero response to the well thought out answer. Also, my "why?" question was specifically regarding the years/decades long trend.Let's see what the misc has to say...
This is an issue both liberals and conservatives can work together on if you think about it, it's a shame they don't. Does the environment and worker health and wages not matter after a certain distance from our homes? How hypocritical and typical of limousine liberals to let other parts of the world suffer. Why can't liberals and conservatives work together on this? Who loses? I have a notion, I don't have hard facts, but asking questions and seriously maybe we'll get there.
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01-28-2024, 11:15 AM
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01-28-2024, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted By -JR⏩
I think the why is understood, China and India burn coal and pay near slave wages to produce Aluminum at a capacity that exceeds demand.Yes, but that fails to explain the entire industry's overall decline for the past 25 years. I noticed zero response to the well thought out answer. Also, my "why?" question was specifically regarding the years/decades long trend.
This is an issue both liberals and conservatives can work together on if you think about it, it's a shame they don't. Does the environment and worker health and wages not matter after a certain distance from our homes? How hypocritical and typical of limousine liberals to let other parts of the world suffer. Why can't liberals and conservatives work together on this? Who loses? I have a notion, I don't have hard facts, but asking questions and seriously maybe we'll get there.
This is an issue both liberals and conservatives can work together on if you think about it, it's a shame they don't. Does the environment and worker health and wages not matter after a certain distance from our homes? How hypocritical and typical of limousine liberals to let other parts of the world suffer. Why can't liberals and conservatives work together on this? Who loses? I have a notion, I don't have hard facts, but asking questions and seriously maybe we'll get there.
And there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do about it.
We can artificially raise prices on imports, or artificially subsidize domestic producers. Or the third option of lowering ourselves to third world production standards. In the long run, none of that is sustainable.
01-28-2024, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
I think for national security - and future supply chain security issues- subsidizing is something we could sustain.I think the why is understood, China and India burn coal and pay near slave wages to produce Aluminum at a capacity that exceeds demand.
And there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do about it.
We can artificially raise prices on imports, or artificially subsidize domestic producers. Or the third option of lowering ourselves to third world production standards. In the long run, none of that is sustainable.
And there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do about it.
We can artificially raise prices on imports, or artificially subsidize domestic producers. Or the third option of lowering ourselves to third world production standards. In the long run, none of that is sustainable.
Whatever the minimum baseline amount would need to be, or our ability to quickly ramp up.
01-28-2024, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted By ClivesTriceps⏩
It wasn't america that did it. It was jews. Kissinger is a jew. CIA is jewish. You did it.America moved manufacturing overseas because of regulations and wanting to save a few dollars by getting cheap labor and making shïttier products. It's not competition when huge corporations don't have an incentive to produce domestically and hire domestic workers.
But hey, Joe Biden doesn't work for us. Said it himself to UAW workers.
But hey, Joe Biden doesn't work for us. Said it himself to UAW workers.
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
We can pay slave wages too by sending jews to the gulag. Jews should be the slaves.I think the why is understood, China and India burn coal and pay near slave wages to produce Aluminum at a capacity that exceeds demand.
And there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do about it.
We can artificially raise prices on imports, or artificially subsidize domestic producers. Or the third option of lowering ourselves to third world production standards. In the long run, none of that is sustainable.
And there's not a whole hell of a lot we can do about it.
We can artificially raise prices on imports, or artificially subsidize domestic producers. Or the third option of lowering ourselves to third world production standards. In the long run, none of that is sustainable.
01-28-2024, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Would agree to some extent that it could be sustainable financially and politically at whatever cost is needed to supply the defense industry and some of its offshoots.I think for national security - and future supply chain security issues- subsidizing is something we could sustain.
Whatever the minimum baseline amount would need to be, or our ability to quickly ramp up.
Whatever the minimum baseline amount would need to be, or our ability to quickly ramp up.
I don't think that it could subsidized to the point of being globally competitive and revitalizing the industry to what it was.
01-28-2024, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By BespokenBrah⏩
OK, dogkrap. LMAOIt wasn't america that did it. It was jews. Kissinger is a jew. CIA is jewish. You did it.
Wort ew in th wold.
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