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Trump is about to face a 370 million dollar penalty

Trump Judge To Decide On $370 Million In Penalties In NY Real Estate Trial
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...l-estate-trial


And instead of a jury deliberating, Judge Arthur Engoron, who hates Trump, has sole discretion over the penalty after anti-Trump New York Attorney General Letitia James (who called him an "Illegitimate president" during her run for AG) made the request for $370 million after originally seeking $250 million.


Engoron, who said earlier this month that he will try to issue a ruling in the case by Jan. 31, has already ruled that Trump committed years of fraud by inflating his wealth and assets in order to obtain preferential terms from banks. And because Trump waived his right to a trial by jury, Engoron will be the sole arbiter when it comes to claims and penalties.
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24% of this judges commercial real estate and development base cases, get completely overturned, in appeals court.

Over 60% get reduced

This elected judge family court divorce attorney doesn't even know how this stuff works.



I.e.

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...l-time-judges/
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This judge, who used to be primarily working matrimonial law, doesn't seem to have a great grasp of commercial real estate.

When big-time projects are stopped by small-time judges
Middling lawyers get their robes from political hacks — and developers pay the price


“These are huge towers. I’ve lived in the city my whole life. You can’t just do this because the zoning allows it. I just can’t believe this is the case.”

— State Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron

backroom dealmaking that produces state Supreme Court judges. Now, at The Real Deal, I see the havoc these jurists wreak on the city and its real estate industry. It compels me to revisit the tawdry topic of how they get to the bench.

New Yorkers might assume their judges are top-notch legal minds who have reached the pinnacle of the profession. Um, no.

lawyers. You’d almost have to be to subject yourself to the shady, debasing process one must endure for a shot at holding the gavel.

State Supreme Court judges, who preside over cases big enough to matter to the industry, serve 14-year terms and make $210,900. That adds up to $3 million, not including pension benefits, potential future raises and any additional terms. Beats hustling for clients in the backwaters of Brooklyn or toiling away as a law secretary.

These robed men and women rule on high-stakes real estate disputes and rezonings for projects and entire neighborhoods. Lately, some of their key decisions have been reversed on appeal, which suggests they are not doing a bang-up job.

Take the quote above by Engoron, who ruled that four towers proposed by JDS Development, L+M Development, CIM Group and Starrett Corporation in the Manhattan neighborhood Two Bridges required a rezoning, even though they complied with the zoning in place. If that sounds like sound legal reasoning, I’ve got two bridges to sell you.

The developers appealed and won.
The Appellate Division also overturned recent anti-real estate rulings at SJP Properties’ 200 Amsterdam Avenue and in Inwood, where a sweeping rezoning had been temporarily invalidated because Judge Verna Saunders decided the land-use review process should — for the first time in its 30-year history — have included a racial impact study.

“Part of [the Appellate Division’s] job is to clean up the crap from the trial courts,” said one judicial system veteran. “Frankly, there’s a lot of it.”

All three reversals were unanimous. Do the judges care about being overturned? One would hope. But the court system does not keep track of their reversal rates and their jobs are as safe as houses. They nearly always serve until they hit the mandatory retirement age of 70 (at which point they can request up to three two-year extensions).

But wait. These judges are elected. Can’t New Yorkers just vote for better judges?

Again, no. These judicial elections bear no resemblance to democracy. The Democratic county organizations nominate as many candidates as there are Supreme Court openings. If your ballot in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx says “vote for any six candidates,” there will be exactly six Democrats. In New York’s Republican counties, the GOP does the same thing.

“This is an insider game where it’s a question of who you know, not what are your abilities.”

Lincoln Restler, Brooklyn reformer
Under the state constitution, this is a partisan process involving a judicial convention. The local political machines have the infrastructure to control it, rendering the annual convention a Soviet-style affair.

“The whole system is so wrapped up in politics and patronage, there’s no incentive for anyone to relinquish authority,” said Ken Fisher, a land-use attorney at Cozen O’Connor and former City Council member. “Absent some miraculous burst of civic leadership out of Albany, there’s no reason to think the system is going to change any time soon.”

A candidate for judge must round up support from party functionaries. In Brooklyn, 42 Democratic state committee members — known as district leaders — elect a county leader. To keep their loyalty, the county leader fills the judicial slate with candidates who have garnered the most support among them. Candidates win that support by attending district leaders’ fundraisers and writing checks.

That is why in any interview about judge-making in New York, the phrase “chicken dinners” will come up.

“The idea that you can attend a few chicken dinners … and that determines whether you’re deciding cases of consequence is terribly disappointing and unacceptable,” said Lincoln Restler, a City Council candidate who has tried to reform the system. “This is an insider game where it’s a question of who you know, not what are your abilities.”

“The process is bizarre,” said the court system veteran, who navigated it years ago and spoke on condition of anonymity to protect professional relationships. “Oddly enough, the system produces some very good judges, [but also] a lot of mediocre judges and some turkeys.”

Lawrence Knipel, for example, became a judge because his wife, district leader Lori Knipel, “bulldozed him through,” as the source put it. Fortunately, Knipel turned out to be one of the court’s best judges.

Noach Dear did not. The late former City Council member, who failed the bar exam repeatedly before getting an exemption to take it untimed, got his judgeship without ever having tried a case. It is not clear that he had even practiced law.

“It’s not that good judges don’t come out of the system. It’s that the system is not designed to produce the leading scholars,” said Fisher, who once sat on a screening panel created to ensure judicial candidates at least had basic qualifications.

“In the years when I was involved in vetting them, I don’t recall a single assistant district attorney, a single law professor, a single partner in a law firm to even inquire about doing it,” he said.

Candidates rejected by screening panels can still make it to the bench. Some of them just blow off the panels, calling them rigged.

Besides judicial incompetence, a second problem is influence. This is where real estate gets hurt. Judges who come through a political process do not get a nod from a political boss in the back of the courtroom, but they tend to be “more sensitive to public opinion, more sensitive to the feelings of the people they garnered support from,” said Fisher.

He was speaking generally, but a case he is handling bears mentioning. Fisher represents a group favoring the de Blasio administration’s Gowanus rezoning plan, which is being held up by Judge Katherine Levine because its public hearings would be held on Zoom.

Early in the case, which is itself being litigated on Zoom, Levine seemed to be just fine with virtual hearings. “That’s life,” she told opponents in January. “That’s Covid.”

But she has since pondered the matter long enough that the rezoning might not get done before the mayor and Gowanus’ two local City Council members leave office. That would seriously jeopardize its chances, potentially denying developers the right to build 8,000 apartments and 20,000 people the opportunity to live in them.

“The whole system is so wrapped up in politics and patronage,there’s no incentive for anyone to relinquish authority.”

Ken Fisher, land-use attorney
Emboldened, opponents of a Bruce Eichner project in Crown Heights are suing on the same grounds. Levine is on that case too. The judge’s beef with Zoom endangers dozens of rezoning applications and billions of dollars’ worth of development.

As it happens, a politician whose Democratic club put Levine on the bench, Assemblywoman Jo Anne Simon, has demanded that the Gowanus rezoning be paused until in-person hearings can be held.

I’ve known Simon since she led the Boerum Hill Civic Association in the early 1990s. She later became a district leader and was considered a reformer. She would never call a sitting judge about an active case. Still, her connection with Levine undermines public confidence in the case.

“If the community is up in arms, opposing a development, does that impact judges? Absolutely. They are human beings,” a former Supreme Court judge told me. “But hopefully they are still ruling on the law.”

Judging by the reversals, some are not. While winning at the trial court matters, lawyers concentrate on getting all their evidence and arguments into the record because the appeals panel cannot consider new material.

Fisher is now less focused on swaying Levine’s decision than on simply getting her to make one. His enemy is time. Besides, as with most real estate cases, this one is likely to be decided by the Appellate Division.

By the way, appellate judges are also products of politics: They are picked by the governor, sometimes based upon who is whispering in his ear. But that’s a story for another day.
https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...l-time-judges/



Link to overturn decision

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nys...US_3D3S9i2Bg==
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Originally Posted By gachase21
24% of this judges commercial real estate and development base cases, get completely overturned, in appeals court.

Over 60% get reduced

This elected judge family court divorce attorney doesn't even know how this stuff works.



I.e.

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...l-time-judges/
Cope
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Originally Posted By gachase21
24% of this judges commercial real estate and development base cases, get completely overturned, in appeals court.

Over 60% get reduced

This elected judge family court divorce attorney doesn't even know how this stuff works.



I.e.

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...l-time-judges/
Originally Posted By gachase21
This judge, who used to be primarily working matrimonial law, doesn't seem to have a great grasp of commercial real estate.






https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...l-time-judges/



Link to overturn decision

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nys...US_3D3S9i2Bg==
Trump paying you overtime?
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Just fyi a few things about this matrimonial lawyer:

He was always elected as a democrat into position - never appointed

Don't get confused by "Supreme court judge" Supreme Court is actually the name of the lowest court in New York.

His law Clerk, Allison R. Greenfield, was endorsed in 2022 by the Manhattan Democrats

https://manhattandemocrats.org/2022/...reening-panel/

Pic of her and Chuck...



And yes, she's does most the writing...

21% of all of his cases going to appeal end up with a negative outcome.
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis
Trump paying you overtime?
I wouldn't get excited until after the appeals if I were you.
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Originally Posted By gachase21
I wouldn't get excited until after the appeals if I were you.
Because Trump is well known for his prolific court victories over the last 4 years. 😂
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Originally Posted By gachase21
shes cute no cap
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Okay and what’s your take?
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That is chimp chain when his net worth is $4b
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Recent threads leading up to an impending Trump bankruptcy again, are the mason jars being rammed up Trump's poop chute I've been talking about over the last year.

Vid is all cued up for ya, sons.


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Let's be real here. Trump has grifted more than that from his minions over the last 8 years.
And no doubt at all, the dollars will start rolling even faster in if he's charged.
Worst case scenario, he'll still be up a few mill from when he started.
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Originally Posted By TCmaxxing
That is chimp chain when his net worth is $4b
He isn’t though, ya dumb cuck.
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Originally Posted By TCmaxxing
That is chimp chain when his net worth is $4b
And yet he desperately needs cash donations from his chimps 24/7, for his reelection campaign?
Something stinks.
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I dont expect Trump to win any cases in deep blue areas. Heck i dont even expect him to be allowed to defend himself.

I just expect it to get a guilty/convicted stamp and appealed when a non-partisan judge gets it.

If i remember correctly, this is the case where there is no victim.
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There's a quote that says if you owe the IRS $3 million dollars, you have a problem. But if you owe the IRS $30 million dollars, the IRS has a problem.


Trump definitely does not have $370 million in liquid. His legal fees were like....7 million right? And he needed political donations to cover that fee.


Even seems low for the all the grift and BS he committed. Trump can always rile up donations from his moron fan base. What you need to do to hurt him is ban him from doing business within a geographical region.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
There's a quote that says if you owe the IRS $3 million dollars, you have a problem. But if you owe the IRS $30 million dollars, the IRS has a problem.


Trump definitely does not have $370 million in liquid. His legal fees were like....7 million right? And he needed political donations to cover that fee.


Even seems low for the all the grift and BS he committed. Trump can always rile up donations from his moron fan base. What you need to do to hurt him is ban him from doing business within a geographical region.
This is an elected judge, who doesn't even understand this type of law based on reversals in his case history, who will be writing a campaign ad disguised as a judgment.

The NY legal system is a mess.

At the end of the day, Trump didn't do anything wrong in this case, and won't be owning anywhere close to $370 mil after appeals.

Might not even get reduced, this entire thing might get tossed.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
There's a quote that says if you owe the IRS $3 million dollars, you have a problem. But if you owe the IRS $30 million dollars, the IRS has a problem.


Trump definitely does not have $370 million in liquid. His legal fees were like....7 million right? And he needed political donations to cover that fee.


Even seems low for the all the grift and BS he committed. Trump can always rile up donations from his moron fan base. What you need to do to hurt him is ban him from doing business within a geographical region.
Stop smearing feces onto walls.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
There's a quote that says if you owe the IRS $3 million dollars, you have a problem. But if you owe the IRS $30 million dollars, the IRS has a problem.
Where did you hear that quote? The only problem the IRS has is they need to send people and organize the auction, like they did to Willie Nelson when he had a $20 million tax bill.
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Where did you hear that quote? The only problem the IRS has is they need to send people and organize the auction, like they did to Willie Nelson when he had a $20 million tax bill.
I actually think the quote was about Willie Nelson or made in that context.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted By aal04
I dont expect Trump to win any cases in deep blue areas. Heck i dont even expect him to be allowed to defend himself.

I just expect it to get a guilty/convicted stamp and appealed when a non-partisan judge gets it.

If i remember correctly, this is the case where there is no victim.
Correct all payments were made the loan was paid off, and the banker even testify as such as well. The banker testified the valuation was correct..
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Originally Posted By turk75
Fking LOL at all the alt left cucks in here circle jerking each other to: "omfgs BLumpf is finished this time #98238757862357862!"
Lol. Wait until the criminal trials start, son.
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