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post 1697171213 01-30-2024, 08:40 AM
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Any entrepreneurs here consider a doctorate degree?

Imagine doing a doctorate degree in STEM, breaking down those barriers, taking the field a little further, trying to be a pioneer in the technology.

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Google and Snapchat were made by their founders during their respective doctorate/undergrad

Imagine the networking you'd be doing with fellow MBA grads at school, seems like the best startup environment
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That's a total waste of time to go to that much school for most entrepeneurs.
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If you think it'll benefit you and it's in line with your goals and values, go for it (srs).

Having said that, some people like working on their education, not for professional purposes solely, but for personal and intellectual growth.
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If you have the resources and are very passionate about something, then sure. But a PhD is a five year commitment on top of a Masters' degree so you have to really want it. I'd be willing to bet that most CTOs don't even have anything above a degree.

Higher education is mostly a scam unless that credential is something you either need (ie you want to be a tenured professor) or want. I know a guy who's a PhD in psychology and he basically makes the same amount as people with Master's degrees, except he spent five more years in school and can call himself Doctor.
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I've seen some professors do it. They know exactly what their research niche needs, they work on something cool to fill it, they patent it, and then they sell it to a bigger company. They don't make the next Google or chit, but they can earn a milly or two.
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You on that Patrick Soon-Shiong time?
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
If you have the resources and are very passionate about something, then sure. But a PhD is a five year commitment on top of a Masters' degree so you have to really want it. I'd be willing to bet that most CTOs don't even have anything above a degree.

Higher education is mostly a scam unless that credential is something you either need (ie you want to be a tenured professor) or want. I know a guy who's a PhD in psychology and he basically makes the same amount as people with Master's degrees, except he spent five more years in school and can call himself Doctor.
How much does someone with a master's degree get paid? Is this what you do professionally?
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I have two of them: solid state physics and cryogenic engineering.

After the first one, I went to work in the consulting world. I subsequently established my own consultancy and now have offices in six countries.

I don't consider myself an entrepreneur, as I consider them to be people who focus on the business elements without necessarily knowing the industry. I'm a scientist, engineer, salesmen or paper pusher, depending on the day.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
I have two of them: solid state physics and cryogenic engineering.

After the first one, I went to work in the consulting world. I subsequently established my own consultancy and now have offices in six countries.

I don't consider myself an entrepreneur, as I consider them to be people who focus on the business elements without necessarily knowing the industry. I'm a scientist, engineer, salesmen or paper pusher, depending on the day.
Strong username to accomplishments correlation of peace and prosperity

You just keep going.
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
Strong username to accomplishments correlation of peace and prosperity

You just keep going.
It helps being in the UK, as opposed to the US, due to a very different education system. We typically finish doctorates at 24 (3 year bachelors, no masters and then 3 year phd).
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Higher education will push DEI on you even more than a major corporation will. If you are a straight white male it's probably a bad idea.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
It helps being in the UK, as opposed to the US, due to a very different education system. We typically finish doctorates at 24 (3 year bachelors, no masters and then 3 year phd).
Damn that's quick. At least you guys can get on with your lives and accomplish things professionally in your 20s rather than have academics drag on perpetually.
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I have a masters in accounting and a law degree (Jurus doctor). I needed the law degree and would argue it helped with management of my businesses over the accounting. I had an abnormal set of circumstances that made it easier for me (athletic scholarship, rich family, and already having an established business to take over).

Whatever your goals are, pursue the appropriate education would be my advice. My dad didn't go to college and he started a very successful business. In fact, college would have more likely stifled his success
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Originally Posted By wrassler45⏩
I have a masters in accounting and a law degree (Jurus doctor). I needed the law degree and would argue it helped with management of my businesses over the accounting. I had an abnormal set of circumstances that made it easier for me (athletic scholarship, rich family, and already having an established business to take over).

Whatever your goals are, pursue the appropriate education would be my advice. My dad didn't go to college and he started a very successful business. In fact, college would have more likely stifled his success
I always really like to read about people succeeding in life. Good on you (srs).
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A doctorate is for people who want to get into academia. Nothing else.
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
Damn that's quick. At least you guys can get on with your lives and accomplish things professionally in your 20s rather than have academics drag on perpetually.
We specialize earlier and don't have general education elements in higher education. The result is a narrower education, but cutting out all the fluff saves time.

The standard three year bachelors are honours degrees, which is why you can skip the masters and go straight to phds.
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Originally Posted By wrassler45⏩
I have a masters in accounting and a law degree (Jurus doctor). I needed the law degree and would argue it helped with management of my businesses over the accounting. I had an abnormal set of circumstances that made it easier for me (athletic scholarship, rich family, and already having an established business to take over).

Whatever your goals are, pursue the appropriate education would be my advice. My dad didn't go to college and he started a very successful business. In fact, college would have more likely stifled his success
I went to Law School for a year before deciding that it was a complete waste of time for what I was looking to do. However, even the one year of taking the basic courses has helped me quite a bit in a business sense. For someone who had no intention of being an Attorney, the first year has paid many dividends in terms of Contract law and terminology that a person would typically have no idea about.
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
I always really like to read about people succeeding in life. Good on you (srs).
Thanks! As, stated above I had a lot of help, but I am thankfully able to pass that on to my kids and the kids I volunteer with
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
I went to Law School for a year before deciding that it was a complete waste of time for what I was looking to do. However, even the one year of taking the basic courses has helped me quite a bit in a business sense. For someone who had no intention of being an Attorney, the first year has paid many dividends in terms of Contract law and terminology that a person would typically have no idea about.
I would hire a fresh law grad over most MBAs for that exact reason. I wish business schools would cover more
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
We specialize earlier and don't have general education elements in higher education. The result is a narrower education, but cutting out all the fluff saves time.

The standard three year bachelors are honours degrees, which is why you can skip the masters and go straight to phds.
I've always considered private american colleges as one of the great scams of humanity dead srs. People have literally been brainwashed into genuinely believing that dropping 200k on a BA is a good investment and that higher education is absolutely mandatory for professional success.

Imagine placing yourself hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for a liberal arts degree.
Originally Posted By wrassler45⏩
Thanks! As, stated above I had a lot of help, but I am thankfully able topass that on to my kidsand the kids I volunteer with
It's nice to pay your success forward.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
We specialize earlier and don't have general education elements in higher education. The result is a narrower education, but cutting out all the fluff saves time.

The standard three year bachelors are honours degrees, which is why you can skip the masters and go straight to phds.
Our general education requirements are a huge part of the exorbitant price of college here. I would say most could finish in two years without it
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"Entrepreneurs" do not pay for expensive schooling lmao

They figure out how to make money on their own
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Originally Posted By dopamine72⏩
"Entrepreneurs" do not pay for expensive schooling lmao

They figure out how to make money on their own
So ladies on OF are entrepreneurs then?
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
So ladies on OF are entrepreneurs then?
If they recognize the fact their looks are depreciating and branch out in other businesses / figure out how to invest/grow the money they make then yes
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You work for Fannie Mae OP? You trying to get a commission?
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I considered it but didn't like what I was seeing in terms of ROI. I think it would be somewhat beneficial depending on the industry.
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
I've always considered private american colleges as one of the great scams of humanity dead srs. People have literally been brainwashed into genuinely believing that dropping 200k on a BA is a good investment and that higher education is absolutely mandatory for professional success.

Imagine placing yourself hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for a liberal arts degree.



It's nice to pay your success forward.
Originally Posted By wrassler45⏩
Our general education requirements are a huge part of the exorbitant price of college here. I would say most could finish in two years without it
We specialise at 16 and pick 3 or 4 (occasionally 5) subjects to study for 2 years. STEM is typically maths + chemistry and then either physics or biology, depending on whether you are planning on the physical sciences or the biosciences. The result is that people have 2 years of calculus before arriving at college.

My first year was 4 courses per semester, 3 or which were mandatory and 1 from a short list of related subjects. My first semester was classical mechanics, special relativity, maths (fourier, taylor etc) and astronomy.

Without english, history etc you don't get all the BS DEI indoctrination and can just get on with learning what you went there to learn.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
We specialise at 16 and pick 3 or 4 (occasionally 5) subjects to study for 2 years. STEM is typically maths + chemistry and then either physics or biology, depending on whether you are planning on the physical sciences or the biosciences. The result is that people have 2 years of calculus before arriving at college.

My first year was 4 courses per semester, 3 or which were mandatory and 1 from a short list of related subjects. My first semester was classical mechanics, special relativity, maths (fourier, taylor etc) and astronomy.

Without english, history etc you don't get all the BS DEI indoctrination and can just get on with learning what you went there to learn.
Damn, sounds pretty decent. When I was in high school (public), I was shotgunning beers at lunch and pissing away all of my time and potential. Nobody gave a single schit. Teachers were apathetic, students were perpetually bored and under-stimulated. As you can imagine, we got in trouble for fun. It was all about heavy metal and getting drunk and partying for us. Took me a few years post high-school to get it together and straighten myself out.
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Originally Posted By dopamine72⏩
"Entrepreneurs" do not pay for expensive schooling lmao

They figure out how to make money on their own
No one in their right mind pays for a doctorate. If a prof doesn't have any funding for a PhD student, your degree was going to be a failure anyway.

It's much more like a job than undergrad is. You have value added work that you are expected to do, it isn't just lectures and canned homework that's been solved 5,000 times.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
We specialise at 16 and pick 3 or 4 (occasionally 5) subjects to study for 2 years. STEM is typically maths + chemistry and then either physics or biology, depending on whether you are planning on the physical sciences or the biosciences. The result is that people have 2 years of calculus before arriving at college.

My first year was 4 courses per semester, 3 or which were mandatory and 1 from a short list of related subjects. My first semester was classical mechanics, special relativity, maths (fourier, taylor etc) and astronomy.

Without english, history etc you don't get all the BS DEI indoctrination and can just get on with learning what you went there to learn.
Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
Damn, sounds pretty decent. When I was in high school (public), I was shotgunning beers at lunch and pissing away all of my time and potential. Nobody gave a single schit. Teachers were apathetic, students were perpetually bored and under-stimulated. As you can imagine, we got in trouble for fun. It was all about heavy metal and getting drunk and partying for us. Took me a few years post high-school to get it together and straighten myself out.
As much as it is a good thing to have a well running public education, I would argue its almost as bad, in a lot of areas, to have what we have. Our School system was essentially setup to watch kids while parents adjusted to the 40 hour/monday-friday work model. I like the idea of specializing but I would want to look into yalls system more. What does the upper mobility look like for someone who is not a "go getter" in grade school? Are you doomed if you don't take grade school serious, or do opportunities exist for young underachievers who get their **** together later in life?
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