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post 1697322373 02-02-2024, 11:58 AM
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Let’s Do Some Covid Math(Children’s Edition)

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To stop one severe Covid case in children aged 5-15, about 38,000 kids would need to be dosed with mRNA Covid jabs, British researchers have found.

The report should be the final death knell for efforts to give young people mRNA shots, which the United States still has not stopped. Ignoring any other side effects, vaccine-caused myocarditis in kids and teens alone outweighs any potential benefit.

For people aged 16-74, the results were hardly better. The jabs were only about 30 percent effective against hospitalization or death (not infection). And about 15,000 adults would have needed to be “fully vaccinated” to avoid one “severe case.”

The findings come from a huge study of Covid hospitalizations and deaths in Britain in summer 2022. The Lancet, a top medical journal, published the study last month.

The researchers, who are pro-jab, reported their findings in an unusual way, probably to try to hide how ineffective the shots were in people under 75. But upon close inspection, the paper reveals the truth.

The study’s bonafides can’t be questioned - even if how it presents its findings can be.
Health Data Research UK, an independent charity group that is “the UK's national institute for health data science,” funded it.

Researchers matched vaccination, hospitalization, and death records for nearly everyone 5 and over from England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales - almost 70 million people in all, including over 9 million children aged 5-15.

The researchers then compared “severe cases” of Covid in “fully vaccinated” and “undervaccinated” kids and adults from June through September 2022. Essentially, any adult under 75 who had not received three Covid jabs before the study began was called undervaccinated. (For kids, the rules were slightly trickier.)

After adjusting for risk factors, the researchers claimed “undervaccination” had led to about 200 extra hospitalizations over the summer of 2022 in kids 5-15.

(Technically, the definition of “severe case” included death. But child deaths from Covid in Britain are vanishingly rare. Fewer than 100 occurred during the entire first three years of Covid, according to this British government report. So the severe cases in children were essentially all hospitalizations.)

In other words, if every child in Britain had been fully vaccinated in summer 2022, the United Kingdom would have had about 480 Covid hospitalizations - instead of the roughly 680 it actually had.

But in summer 2022, only 20 percent of kids 5-15 in the United Kingdom were “fully vaccinated.” The other 80 percent, 7.5 million children in all, were not. (Europeans were much more reluctant to give their kids Covid jabs than were Americans, despite the endless media complaints about “anti-vaxxers” in the United States).

Thus to avoid those 200 Covid hospitalizations in children - not deaths or intensive care stays, but hospitalizations - 7.5 million kids would need to be jabbed.

The researchers performed a similar calculation for adults 16-74, and found that “full” vaccination would have stopped about 1,500 extra hospitalizations and deaths in them from June to September 2022.

But at the time almost half the adults in Britain - about 21 million people aged 16-74 - were “undervaccinated.”

Twenty-one million divided by 1,500 equals 14,000, so what the paper really says is that about 14,000 people under 75 would have needed at least one extra mRNA shot to prevent one Covid hospitalization or death.

Finally, the researchers ran the same calculation for adults 75 and over - who are, of course, at far higher risk from Covid.

In that group, they found a very different result. Even though most of the elderly were already “fully vaccinated,” about 1.8 million were not.
Vaccinating them would have stopped about 5,400 hospitalizations or deaths, they reported. In other words, instead of needing tens of thousands of “full vaccinations” to prevent a severe Covid case, only 330 were required for people over 75.

(The truth is even more complex, because that figure ignores the factor of “healthy vaccinee bias” in the ultra-elderly. Some very old people will not be jabbed because they are within weeks or months of death and so are unlikely to benefit from a shot in any case. But if they die of Covid, they are counted as unvaccinated Covid deaths.)
Still, the finding confirms what nearly everyone who doesn’t work for the CDC already knows - in the Omicron era, the only people who have even a theoretical possibility of benefitting from the shots are the very old.

And for kids, they are all downside.

38,000-to-1 downside.
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Data from 2021 in the UK showed there was no decipherable benefit to the vaxes for people under age 55, marginal benefit for people aged 55-64. Definitely a benefit for people over age 75. And that was when the virus was far more dangerous.

As far as I know nobody else in the world has been pushing the jabs on kids or young adults for 2 years. RSV is more dangerous to kids.
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
Data from 2021 in the UK showed there was no decipherable benefit to the vaxes for people under age 55, marginal benefit for people aged 55-64. Definitely a benefit for people over age 75. And that was when the virus was far more dangerous.

As far as I know nobody else in the world has been pushing the jabs on kids or young adults for 2 years. RSV is more dangerous to kids.
Which study was that?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Sweet Alex
From the study he linked:

"There was a total of 40 393 severe COVID-19 outcomes in the cohorts, with 14 156 of these in undervaccinated participants. We estimated the reduction in severe COVID-19 outcomes in the UK over 4 months of follow-up associated with a counterfactual scenario in which everyone was fully vaccinated on June 1, 2022 as 210 (95% CI 94–326) in the 5–15 years age group"

"Interpretation
Rates of undervaccination against COVID-19 ranged from 32·8% to 49·8% across the four UK nations in summer, 2022. Undervaccination was associated with an elevated risk of severe COVID-19 outcomes."



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Shouldn't all of these trends be reversed according the the narrative?

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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
Data from 2021 in the UK showed there was no decipherable benefit to the vaxes for people under age 55, marginal benefit for people aged 55-64. Definitely a benefit for people over age 75. And that was when the virus was far more dangerous.

As far as I know nobody else in the world has been pushing the jabs on kids or young adults for 2 years. RSV is more dangerous to kids.
Really is sad how much damage has been done. Also sad that our fukkt up country still recommends them for children. Maybe one day we’ll catch up with the rest of the civilized world and stop promoting these for anyone but the oldest and worst of the worst.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Really is sad how much damage has been done. Also sad that our fukkt up country still recommends them for children. Maybe one day we’ll catch up with the rest of the civilized world and stop promoting these for anyone but the oldest and worst of the worst.
The paper doesn't report "damage" from vaccines.
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Similar findings in this study of VAERS data:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10....20986241226566

Conclusion:
COVID-19 vaccination is strongly associated with a serious adverse safety signal of myocarditis, particularly in children and young adults resulting in hospitalization and death. Further investigation into the underlying mechanisms of COVID-19 vaccine-induced myocarditis is imperative to create effective mitigation strategies and ensure the safety of COVID-19 vaccination programs across populations.

Plain language summary
Using VAERS to understand myocarditis associated with COVID-19 vaccination
Why was the study done? Heart inflammation, known as myocarditis, has been previously associated with COVID-19 vaccination. After the Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Janssen COVID-19 vaccines were given in the United States, millions of people reported side effects, including myocarditis, using a system called the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Therefore, the researchers sought to further investigate possible links between COVID-19 vaccination and myocarditis using VAERS.
What did the researchers do? The researchers used VAERS to check the frequency of myocarditis reports after COVID-19 vaccination and compared this with past reports from other vaccines over the years. They also studied details such as the age and gender of those affected, and which dose of the vaccine they had received.
What did the researchers find? In 2021, there was a dramatic increase in the number of myocarditis reports linked to the COVID-19 vaccine, far higher than the reports from all other vaccines combined over the previous 30 years. This side effect was mostly reported in young individuals, especially males. Most of those who reported myocarditis needed emergency medical care or had to be hospitalized. Out of those affected, 92 individuals died. Myocarditis was more likely following a second dose of vaccine. Furthermore, individuals under the age of 30 were more prone to acquire myocarditis from COVID-19 vaccination compared to those aged 30 and above.
What do the findings mean? The researchers found a strong link between COVID-19 vaccination and myocarditis, especially in kids and young adults. This can lead to hospital stays and, in some cases, death. We need to study more about how the COVID-19 vaccine might cause heart inflammation to find ways to prevent it and make sure the vaccine is safe for continued use in all age groups.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
Similar findings in this study of VAERS data:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10....20986241226566

Conclusion:
COVID-19 vaccination is strongly associated with a serious adverse safety signal of myocarditis, particularly in children and young adults resulting in hospitalization and death.
Yeah but it could be so much worse if they weren't vaccinated!!11!!1!
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Originally Posted By SaltyDog920
Yeah but it could be so much worse if they weren't vaccinated!!11!!1!
According to the study Alex posted, yep
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
Similar findings in this study of VAERS data:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10....20986241226566

Conclusion:
COVID-19 vaccination is strongly associated with a serious adverse safety signal of myocarditis, particularly in children and young adults resulting in hospitalization and death. Further investigation into the underlying mechanisms of COVID-19 vaccine-induced myocarditis is imperative to create effective mitigation strategies and ensure the safety of COVID-19 vaccination programs across populations.


What did the researchers find? In 2021, there was a dramatic increase in the number of myocarditis reports linked to the COVID-19 vaccine, far higher than the reports from all other vaccines combined over the previous 30 years. This side effect was mostly reported in young individuals, especially males. Most of those who reported myocarditis needed emergency medical care or had to be hospitalized. Out of those affected, 92 individuals died. Myocarditis was more likely following a second dose of vaccine. Furthermore, individuals under the age of 30 were more prone to acquire myocarditis from COVID-19 vaccination compared to those aged 30 and above.


What do the findings mean? The researchers found a strong link between COVID-19 vaccination and myocarditis, especially in kids and young adults. This can lead to hospital stays and, in some cases, death. We need to study more about how the COVID-19 vaccine might cause heart inflammation to find ways to prevent it and make sure the vaccine is safe for continued use in all age groups.
And that’s just one adverse reaction. That doesn’t even get into the autoimmune and myriad of other problems that can be caused by the injections in people who have an extremely low risk of issues from Covid infection.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
And that’s just one adverse reaction. That doesn’t even get into the autoimmune and myriad of other problems that can be caused by the injections in people who have an extremely low risk of issues from Covid infection.
The math works out to something like 30,000 enlarged hearts for every person protected from the wu-flu, and that's being very generous
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Imagine giving you children the rona shot and boosters.....
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
The math works out to something like 30,000 enlarged hearts for every person protected from the wu-flu, and that's being very generous
Can you share the math?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Can you share the math?
Communists say vaccine is safe and effective

Communists are always wrong by at best a factor of 30,000

30,000 > 1 adverse to success ratio is a mathematical guarantee
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
Communists say vaccine is safe and effective

Communists are always wrong by at best a factor of 30,000

30,000 > 1 adverse to success ratio is a mathematical guarantee
Just asking for the calcs
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Which study was that?
Like clockwork......
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
Like clockwork......
In for pediatric cardiomegaly data
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
In for pediatric cardiomegaly data
Why does a child need the jab?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
Why does a child need the jab?
Still in for cardiomegaly data
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Just asking for the calcs
I gave you my calc. I cant break down the author's math because its all greek to me. I just trust her science

She also mentioned miocatditis rates are disregarded due to considering the condition 'minor and transitory' but the cardiologists she consulted said that condition means 50/50 chance you die in 10 years.

Luckily we have lots of test subjects to give us more data
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
I gave you my calc. I cant break down the author's math because its all greek to me. I just trust her science
No calc, no cite, no data, no author tho
Originally Posted By Stizzel
The math works out to something like 30,000 enlarged hearts for every person protected from the wu-flu, and that's being very generous
We know not to use VAERS data in that way.

Even if we ignore all that, the term "cardiomegaly" doesn't appear in the article nor does the term "enlarged"

Just asking for the math that works out to 30k enlarged hearts
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
No calc, no cite, no data, no author tho



We know not to use VAERS data in that way.

Even if we ignore all that, the term "cardiomegaly" doesn't appear in the article nor does the term "enlarged"

Just asking for the math that works out to 30k enlarged hearts
I listened to her break it down during an interview. I may be misremembering the figures but the bottom line according to her explanation of this data we're giving a ****load of kids inflammed hearts for a disease that isnt a risk to them.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
I listened to her break it down during an interview. I may be misremembering the figures but the bottom line according to her explanation of this data we're giving a ****load of kids inflammed hearts for a disease that isnt a risk to them.
Cool.

You said "enlarged". Maybe that was a mistake.

I'm just looking for the calcs you referenced.

Failing that, any record of pediatric vacccine-related cardiomegaly.

I'm happy to do some parallel analyses
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Don't ask people to do anything for you until you found a single vial of Comirnaty.
Funny how nothing is ever required of those who support the narrative - even when they explicitly reference things like calculations
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Originally Posted By freeheeler
Imagine giving you children the rona shot and boosters.....
Originally Posted By Anachron
Child abuse srs
For posterity



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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Cool.

You said "enlarged". Maybe that was a mistake.

I'm just looking for the calcs you referenced.

Failing that, any record of pediatric vacccine-related cardiomegaly.

I'm happy to do some parallel analyses
I dont blame you, but i dont have it, sorry. All you've got is my imperfect memory of statements she made. I dont blame you for wanting specifics, maybe it can be disseminated from her study, maybe not
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
I dont blame you, but i dont have it, sorry.
Stated as fact tho.

I do blame you
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Stated as fact tho.

I do blame you
I've been conditioned to accept things scientists say as fact
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Originally Posted By Stizzel
I've been conditioned to accept things scientists say as fact
Sorry to hear that, mane
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