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post 1697708673 02-11-2024, 12:44 PM
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Could you shoot to kill?

If you had to.

E.g., someone snatches your kid and starts to run off.

I'm fairly certain I could - never had to, though.


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post 1697708763 02-11-2024, 12:47 PM
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post 1697708943 02-11-2024, 12:50 PM
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Most people don't without training. Only about 15-20% of troops in WW2 were willing to fire their rifles.

https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psych.../dp/0316040932

Among the US concealed/open carry population the number is probably a fair bit higher because it's self-selecting but if you take the average person and put a gun in their hand the odds are they will not point it at a person and pull the trigger.

I hope I'm never put in a situation like that.
post 1697709053 02-11-2024, 12:53 PM
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I THINK I could quite easily, and that the only reason I might hesitate would be potential legal consequences - remove that from the equation and I think it probably be really easy for me.

Obviously, you never know until you're in that situation though.
post 1697709103 02-11-2024, 12:53 PM
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I can detach from any and all value assigned to the human form with respect to my personal identity giving the ability to do the worst things a human could do to another person.

I do not want to.

I want to not hurt people.

However if my rational brain gives my ego the green light, someone is about to die.
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post 1697709353 02-11-2024, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted By JackyChin⏩
Most people don't without training. Only about 15-20% of troops in WW2 were willing to fire their rifles.

https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psych.../dp/0316040932

Among the US concealed/open carry population the number is probably a fair bit higher because it's self-selecting but if you take the average person and put a gun in their hand the odds are they will not point it at a person and pull the trigger.

I hope I'm never put in a situation like that.
This is what I generally hear: that it's much easier to say you could, than actually being able to go through with it. Seeing the human being near you, etc.

I'm fairly certain I could, but it's easier said than done. In a situation like the one I describe (or a home invasion), I hope I would without a second thought.
post 1697709653 02-11-2024, 01:06 PM
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Misc answer -hell yeah I’d go full Rambo

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Only if I really felt in danger
post 1697709853 02-11-2024, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Obviously, you never know until you're in that situation though.
Howdy....guess I can chime in.

Correct....although, I'm speaking from a personal war time context.

If your are truly in a situation of that nature and you make the proper decision because you want to stay alive you find out who you really are in very short time.
You cannot hesitate in those few nanoseconds,hesitation will get you killed.
Of course, the same applies if one has to protect their spouse or family from life threatening aggression.

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post 1697710053 02-11-2024, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
I THINK I could quite easily, and that the only reason I might hesitate would be potential legal consequences - remove that from the equation and I think it probably be really easy for me.

Obviously, you never know until you're in that situation though.
Right? Imagine defending yourself / loved ones with lethal force in an extreme situation and worrying thatyouwould be the one going to jail for decades.
post 1697710133 02-11-2024, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted By LogicalLifts⏩
Right? Imagine defending yourself / loved ones with lethal force in an extreme situation and worrying thatyouwould be the one going to jail for decades.
yeah that's real sad; I know a lot of people who are upfront that they probably wouldn't use their gun if someone broke into their home.

Personally I've never been in such a situation but I've had a couple close calls. I have had it in the back of my mind if I would do it if the situation called for it. Mental prep doesn't do everything, but it will help give presence of mind in a bad situation, and I do feel I would if I felt I needed to.
post 1697710243 02-11-2024, 01:24 PM
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I'd love to
post 1697710263 02-11-2024, 01:25 PM
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If someone snatches my kid they aren't a human being and I don't have to feel bad about making them cold, I just need to make sure that I don't hurt my own child.
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post 1697710433 02-11-2024, 01:29 PM
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If the situation was right I could imagine myself finding it quite enjoyable ngl
post 1697710453 02-11-2024, 01:29 PM
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Absolutely if someone was a mass shooter type
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post 1697710463 02-11-2024, 01:29 PM
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Yes, but I definitely wouldn't feel good about it in the sense that it would be my first time killing a person.
post 1697710493 02-11-2024, 01:31 PM
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post 1697711153 02-11-2024, 01:42 PM
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Legally yes, imminent threat is there (perceived threat does not count, fear alone is not a reason for defense). As for if I could mentally, shot plenty of people with 'less lethal' rounds, so doubt I'd hesitate if it came to it, but I doubt I'd feel good about it.
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No problem but would probably get a boner.
post 1697711743 02-11-2024, 01:55 PM
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Haha yeah of course, anyone could. The ONLY reason you would ever shoot something or something is to kill. Obviously there needs to be a justified reason.
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If it was to save my child, I think I could do it. I know that I would die for him without a moments hesitation. So I think I could shoot someone if his life was in danger.
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Never ever "shoot to kill"

You're not trying to "kill" someone. Thats murder.


But shooting to STOP THE THREAT, as your example above, hell yeah...

You carry to have self defense to stop any threats to you or loved one's lives. Not to kill people.
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze⏩
Yes, but I definitely wouldn't feel good about it in the sense that it would be my first time killing a person.
Your thread motivated me to make this one. Ever checked out the Misc Firearms thread? My wife bought me my first training course - first time I fired a .357 Magnum I understood the old "hand cannon" expression.
Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
If someone snatches my kid they aren't a human being and I don't have to feel bad about making them cold, I just need to make sure that I don't hurt my own child.
That's why I picked the example in the OP - you need to be trained to pull off a shot like that. There are situations in which a person forsakes their humanity, and I like to think I would execute without hesitation, but you never 'know' until it happens I suppose.

The training is probably meant to remove any hesitation from you in such a scenario.
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Originally Posted By Ausaric⏩
Haha yeah of course, anyone could. The ONLY reason you would ever shoot something or something is to kill. Obviously there needs to be a justified reason.
You think it's that easy?

Most meat eaters could probably not even kill an animal for food (be it a cow, pig, duck, chicken). And then butcher it.

I think killing is a whole other matter tbh.
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I haven’t put thousands of rounds down range to not be able to do it. Worst part is that humans arent really shoot n see targets, so center mass shots don’t give feedback
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Every single person on the planet could. The only things that vary are triggers and thresholds.

Some people can do it with very little hesitation, whereas others need the person to have actuallyalready harmed their offspring.

The troops that wouldn't fire their rifles: if they were already wounded, had their rifle in their hands and the guy who had shot them was running at them with his bayonet? They are shooting that f'ker.
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Yea, I think that I wouldn’t think about it much.
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Originally Posted By QuickShotSteve⏩
Horrible place to be and need to take first shot. I dont think 99.9999% of people should ever try to shoot while a hostage is involved.
Exactly. I chose that example on purpose - everyone ITT who has significant firearms training (you and Ike) noted the specificity of the example. Even with my training - if I had a pistol and he's sprinting away with my child, and there's people around? Very tough call.
Originally Posted By QuickShotSteve⏩
Horrible place to be and need to take first shot. I dont think 99.9999% of people should ever try to shoot while a hostage is involved.
Home invasion, great time. Most likely have better cover, know the layout, and if smart unlikely to hurt innocent.
What do you have for home protection? I'd think a shotgun (like the Benelli M4) would be great, but seen many a discussion on the ideal weapon for internal /domestic use (e.g., can probably shoot through a wall).
Originally Posted By QuickShotSteve⏩
I've never forgotten my first deer kill. Chest shot/lungs, tons of blood came out of its mouth.

I've killed many since, but first is always a strong memory, wouldn't say a negative experience, but its a real awakening of death, and that everything is just flesh & blood.
I made the animal example because, when I was young, my grandmother killed a rabbit from her farm to put in a stew and I started crying. I was 7. Did the whole "I'm not going to eat that" and ate it a few hours later.

Since then killed quite a few rabbits and chickens. But I have rarely met anyone in my life who does the same. So the whole "Yeah I'd saw them in half with my shotgun" reply is a bit, eh. My first animal kill stayed with me too - the way the eyes changed.
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Originally Posted By gbullock32⏩
Legally yes, imminent threat is there (perceived threat does not count, fear alone is not a reason for defense). As for if I could mentally, shot plenty of people with 'less lethal' rounds, so doubt I'd hesitate if it came to it, but I doubt I'd feel good about it.
The 'not feeling good about it' is common among most I know who have killed. At least, that the first kill lingers for a long time.
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