Amid a flurry of Xbox news today, Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer confirmed that four Xbox exclusives are headed to other platforms. He's not, however, expecting other companies to take the same approach.

In an interview for Stephen Totilo's Game File newsletter, Spencer specifically brought up Helldivers 2, Sony's first simultaneous PS5 and PC release, while touching on the subject.

"I will say, when I look at a game like Helldivers 2 — and it's a great game, kudos to the team shipping on PC and PlayStation — I'm not exactly sure who it helps in the industry by not being on Xbox," he said. "If you try to twist yourself to say, like, somehow that benefited somebody somewhere."

Still, Spencer relents a little bit, saying, "but I get it": “There's a legacy in console gaming that we're going to benefit by shipping games and not putting them on other places. We do the same thing.”

He also pointed out that that Helldiver 2's simultaneous release on PC and PS5 is "doing really well," and he's not wrong. The cooperative action sequel notched Sony's biggest-ever game launch on Steam when it debuted last week.

While Spencer doesn't expect every other publisher to take Xbox's approach, he did say during an Xbox podcast today that he has a "fundamental belief that, over the next 5 or 10 years, exclusive games - games that are exclusive to one piece of hardware - are gunna be a smaller and smaller part of the game industry."

"That's not some great insight, because if you look at the last 10 years and what the biggest games are today, it's a natural place," he said. "Whether it's one console and PC; multiple consoles and PC; mobile, console, and PC; you see big games landing on multiple platforms, and we wanna be a great platform for creators that are trying to realize that potential."

Spencer didn't reveal what four Xbox games are headed to other platforms, but he did confirm that that number does not include Starfield and Indiana Jones and the Great Circle. Even then, in a separate interview with The Verge, he wouldn't say they'll never come to PS5, adding "I don’t think we should as an industry ever rule out a game going to any other platform."

Altogether, it's all spawned even more discourse about platform exclusivity, Xbox's strategy, and a whole lot more. You can see everything we learned from today's Xbox announcements right here.