I think if Tulsi is his VP selection, they will pull a lot of votes from the dems. (Super Ded fkn Srs)

Here is the raw truth Wincel

You have 3 choices

1. Don't vote- or vote for a write in/3rd party (same thing this election, and don't BS your way around thinking otherwise) (as well they way it stand now, will likely leave you taking option 2)

2. Vote for Biden. But you won't really be voting for Biden, you will be voting for an institution. Basically an oligarchy of the elites. He is just the puppet figurehead of an organization (if he lives the entire time). It will be George W Bush 2.0 with an extra flavor of SJW pandering, and supererogatory amounts of women's encroaching "fairness"(unfair) rights(at the expense of men).

This group will be fulfilling the needs of every "industrialist complex" there is. If you claim to not want pointless wars, and unneeded intervention- this isn't the way for sure. That amounts to many "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" policies. Although in reality it wont be good intentions, it will be a facade of good with ill or selfish intent "intentions".

If you have any respect for science, you will completely see this. This man is going to be 78 years of age on inauguration day. He will be 80 on the day congress takes session after the midterm elections. You know what this means. He is a puppet- that's it. His brain isn't functional, and will only get worse. Now Trump is of age as well, but he will only be 74 on inauguration day, and yes he's a bit nutty(I'll get to that next), but lets be real- all his mental faculties are still clearly intact- My guess is money for years helps that a lot...


3. Vote for Trump. Trump is an asshat at times.(I hate that word, but a good description). He says things just to say things, and often speaks in hyperbole. He shoots from the hip- and often the direct content of what he says by definition is inaccurate- "what he means" understood by the laymen is- he he does this unscripted often "keeping it real"

He's not dumb(you'll realize this if you ever get the opportunity to meet him in private), he just doesn't give a fuk about speaking in technical accuracy at all. Definitely not the kind of guy I would want working in my organization, or to work for- But that is not the role he's filling right now.

He is an "everything is about me" person who wants to be thought of highly, as the best in everything, and most especially he wants to be appreciated. This isn't to be confused with the "me first" type. He's fulfilled his personal wealth gain thirst- now its about the world recognized he is the best person at doing basically everything there is. Pure ego driven. Wants to be well thought of more than anything else.

And he wants to be well thought of by the common man. By blue collar brah, by the regular joe. He's been ostracized by the real wealthy people his entire life- thought of as a joke- never taken serious- looked at is "not really part of the crew" - He tried in every-way socializing with them, but never could fit in. He built resentment towards them. He made is own little world of clubs and hangouts with some fairly wealthy people to seem important, but it wasn't really with "the crew". He hates them, and doesn't give a fuk about satisfying them or any of the "industrial complexes" for anything (unless it helps the average Joe). He isn't trying to enrich himself by position- he's trying to make everyone respect or admire him, and when I mean everyone I mean the common folk. He wants to WIN, he wants to be the winner against the "elites" he wants to "show them". This has tremendous value for you and me.

He has a respect for the traditions of America, and the people that built it- the freedoms it once had(to a certain extent).

But at the end of the day- its about him- and by that i don't mean "me first", I mean"everything about me"


The biggest difference here though-He will actually be the president- 0 question. No one, or no group, will take the reins and really run the show. Almost no one will influence him(his kids and Jared a little)

This ego is a good thing for the Americans. This "keeping it real" shooting from the him hyperbole talk is a good thing. This trolling and taking jabs at the media and establishment is a good thing. This saying what the F he wants with NSFWG is a good thing. It is what need in that role.

He will not be controlled



That's we need. He want's to WIN, and WIN for us. He just want's us to appreciate him for it and him be recognized for it(prob childhood issues, who cares). It's perfect for that role- Americans first with no oligarchy control.




What's really important to understand is this "best at everything". He wants every major scientific achievement to happen under him. He wants to be credited for going to F'ing Mars. He want's the economy to boom. He wants people to be safe. He wants to be known as the world wide best peace deal person. Walk across the line and try to talk to KIM, who give a fuk type guy.

This is why you see things like what actually happens (not what he proposes or spew as rhetoric) i.e The greatest increase in research/science budgets in decades, the greatest increase in the NIH in decades, etc.


He is a nationalist, and want's all the greatness for US- first. Wouldn't mind the rest of the world doing well, but its still US first- that is something you'll have to contend with. If we aren't doing well the globe won't either. And if we allow out production of materials, extraction of resources, or creation of energy to move overseas more- It will be done much dirtier, with much worse emissions, etc- but it will always be done- might as well be us a little less "dirty". I'll expand into that more someday later also.


Climate change- I'm going to have to get deeper with you on that sometime later- but yea he is better for that also- much better.

Wincel is a complicated and highly intelligent person. He doesn't like Biden and I don't know his stance on Harris, but I assume he's neutral to dislike there. He doesn't like Trump. He is a fan of Tulsi. The logical vote for him would be the ticket with the one person he is favorable of, unless his dislike of Trump is significantly more than his disfavor of Biden.

I do think he dislikes Trump more than Biden but I'm not certain is to that degree. I would expect him to hold his nose, vote for Trump/Gabbard (which, btw, isn't happening) and take the good with the bad.

Ah, I see the post above: That in mind, I would tell Wincel, if you ask me -- as long as the CIA calls the shots (which they do with anyone other than Trump and maybe 50/50 with Trump), there will be no peace with Russia. Trump may or may not buck the system, he's more of a wildcard, he didn't try to upend the CIA his first term, but he also didn't lockstep 100% in their interests.

"Pulling out of NATO" is a bluff, a threat made to enhance his position of negotiation. Although, I disagree with you on how important NATO is. They were around to counter the USSR, which no longer exists. The UN is the "peacekeeper" of the world to stop another WW, aren't they? NATO's purpose was to unite against a common enemy, not to stop Europe from infighting.

The problem with this thinking: The only democrats who will come over would be the ones with principles, morals and are informed enough to know the difference between Tulsi and most of the Democrats.

So, 3% of them at most? Most Democrats are chitlibs, Blue Dog Democrats as we used to call them, they don't fuking know. They pretend Biden is not suffering dementia. They pretend Trump, for all his real faults, is somehow worse than Hitler. They believe MSNBC that the economy is amazing. They have support Ukraine bumper stickers and 8 rounds of boosters.

The question is how many independents will Tulsi bring? On that, I don't know.

We definitely should not be expanding NATO further, but abandoning it is a terrible extreme that will eventually leave European powers to the same forces that drove them to war in the last few centuries.

I hope Trump is bluffing, but his former aides claim he expressed interest in leaving NATO, favoring no permanent alliances. I think that would be a mistake. War in Europe would be bad for America and the world. The amount we pay to NATO is pennies on the dollar compared to what such conflict would cost. All members of NATO benefit from being in NATO right now.

If Trump pledges not to withdraw from NATO and if he actually seems like he will listen to Tulsi and implement her foreign policy agenda, maybe. He is a dangerous and destructive person to the country. I label him a protofascist because some of the people he listens to, such as Stephen Miller, are actual fascists. Trump also has made incredibly questionable decisions, such as listening to John Bolton. If he starts listening to Tulsi and implementing her agenda, America and the world will be far better off. Trump is a despicable character, but if he suddenly decides to become a leftist on foreign policy, far be it from me to stop him. US foreign policy is the underlying source of most of America's woes.

I will vote for whichever leader appears to minimize total human (not just American) casualties from ALL causes over the long term. It's a tough call between genocide/warmongering Joe and the insane anti-medicine, protofascist GOP. I fear giving the GOP all branches of government as well, which is likely to happen.

If Trump pledges not to withdraw from NATO and if he actually seems like he will listen to Tulsi and implement her foreign policy agenda, maybe. He is a dangerous and destructive person to the country. I label him a protofascist because some of the people he listens to, such as Stephen Miller, are actual fascists. Trump also has made incredibly questionable decisions, such as listening to John Bolton. If he starts listening to Tulsi and implementing her agenda, America and the world will be far better off. Trump is a despicable character, but if he suddenly decides to become a leftist on foreign policy, far be it from me to stop him. US foreign policy is the underlying source of most of America's woes.

I will vote for whichever leader appears to minimize total human (not just American) casualties from ALL causes over the long term. It's a tough call between genocide/warmongering Joe and the insane anti-medicine, protofascist GOP. I fear giving the GOP all branches of government as well, which is likely to happen.

I know Stephen Miller from being BFF with Richard Spencer the neonazi in college and from his hacked emails showing his racism. Nazis lost, and your country is changing. The best thing you can do for the "white race" is go get an education, move out of your fuking trailer, get married (and be loyal), and have some kids, and teach them math and science. But you're too stupid and mad so you want to repeat the dumbest mistakes of the past.

And of course, the very policies that would encourage that, such as better and more affordable education programs, universal healthcare, better pay for workers, are the ones you oppose. It's sad. You are the product of a failed society that alienated workers. The capitalist class has successfully played you into seeing everything in terms of racial identity while castrating you and preventing you from seeking tangible improvements to your life because that would make you a "commie".

The billionaire puppet masters (many of them, Jewish or white btw) WANT you to be ignorant, angry, and feel alienated. Because you will create conflict among the poor. Your ethnocentric movement creates the perfect division to prevent the workers from rising in solidarity to challenge the system.

All this race baiting really took off in a big way after the global financial crisis. It should surprise no one. The wealthy protect themselves. One day, it will click for you.