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02-26-2024, 10:27 PM
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Misc gamers-the problem with “difficult” games today
It’s often not about how good you are. It’s about how long you play. You have to memorize the game, the enemies, their actions, look up “that one way to survive” on youtube, and cheese the game with your knowledge of how it works. This is common on hard modes of damn near any game lately.
I don’t like the structure at all. You aren’t supposed to be able to predict what happens after many attempts. You aren’t supposed to look up how to get through something that only gives you one way to get through it. You are supposed to be good, on the first try, and survive. Reflexes, not knowing what will happen, and skill should be the driving force. Not predicting the exact sequence of what will happen because you died 350 times.
I don’t like the structure at all. You aren’t supposed to be able to predict what happens after many attempts. You aren’t supposed to look up how to get through something that only gives you one way to get through it. You are supposed to be good, on the first try, and survive. Reflexes, not knowing what will happen, and skill should be the driving force. Not predicting the exact sequence of what will happen because you died 350 times.
02-26-2024, 10:32 PM
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I love games with no difficulty settings. Elden Ring and other souls games are great for that.
Git Gud pleb, or don't play. No story mode.
One of the things I love about BG3 honor mode. No save scumming. You can 'reset' a tough battle by turning off your computer but you only ever get 1 save. It makes your decisions have more weight. You can't go back and change anything after that next autosave. You're stuck with your decisions for the rest of the playthrough. The honor mode camp at the end is a nice bonus perk.
Git Gud pleb, or don't play. No story mode.
One of the things I love about BG3 honor mode. No save scumming. You can 'reset' a tough battle by turning off your computer but you only ever get 1 save. It makes your decisions have more weight. You can't go back and change anything after that next autosave. You're stuck with your decisions for the rest of the playthrough. The honor mode camp at the end is a nice bonus perk.
02-26-2024, 10:33 PM
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All games should have difficulty levels and customization
02-26-2024, 10:43 PM
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Most games today don't take much skill, or figuring things out. It's the era of X-ray vision, pings on where to go, what to do, redundant tasks and bullet sponge enemies.
Not every game is like this, but feel the majority of them are. It's dumbed down gaming
Not every game is like this, but feel the majority of them are. It's dumbed down gaming
02-26-2024, 10:48 PM
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it's true, and about early you start.
I played the latest ufc game on ps online and was so jealous of players that make it look better than reality. And yea games like fps, rts, or even turn based games are all about how good one has their muscle memory at damn near flawless
my dota 2 profile, at 4.8k hours and 2.4k wins and 2.4k losses:
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/11759446
I played the latest ufc game on ps online and was so jealous of players that make it look better than reality. And yea games like fps, rts, or even turn based games are all about how good one has their muscle memory at damn near flawless
my dota 2 profile, at 4.8k hours and 2.4k wins and 2.4k losses:
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/11759446
02-26-2024, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Play RE 4 remake on professional in under 5 hours. You literally have to memorize where and how every enemy attacks, and methods to escape them (not kill them, because that’s impossible). Made the whole thing a headache and you run like a bitch through most of it.Most games today don't take much skill, or figuring things out. It's the era of X-ray vision, pings on where to go, what to do, redundant tasks and bullet sponge enemies.
Not every game is like this, but feel the majority of them are. It's dumbed down gaming
Not every game is like this, but feel the majority of them are. It's dumbed down gaming
02-26-2024, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
Yea hardcore/professional on remake is just about how good you are at running from enemies. Honestly think they made it overly difficult to the point where its not even funPlay RE 4 remake on professional in under 5 hours. You literally have to memorize where and how every enemy attacks, and methods to escape them (not kill them, because that’s impossible). Made the whole thing a headache and you run like a bitch through most of it.
02-26-2024, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
One of my brothers is a god damned liar. He'll play a game over and over, and once he gets good he deletes the data, starts over, and beats it, and then will tell you that was his first time playing the game.It’s often not about how good you are. It’s about how long you play. You have to memorize the game, the enemies, their actions, look up “that one way to survive” on youtube, and cheese the game with your knowledge of how it works. This is common on hard modes of damn near any game lately.
I don’t like the structure at all. You aren’t supposed to be able to predict what happens after many attempts. You aren’t supposed to look up how to get through something that only gives you one way to get through it. You are supposed to be good, on the first try, and survive. Reflexes, not knowing what will happen, and skill should be the driving force. Not predicting the exact sequence of what will happen because you died 350 times.
I don’t like the structure at all. You aren’t supposed to be able to predict what happens after many attempts. You aren’t supposed to look up how to get through something that only gives you one way to get through it. You are supposed to be good, on the first try, and survive. Reflexes, not knowing what will happen, and skill should be the driving force. Not predicting the exact sequence of what will happen because you died 350 times.
He's doing just that with lies of p right now.
Anyways, everything that requires skill needs to be practiced. No one can just pick up dark souls never having played a similar game before and just beat it.
Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
It's not that bad. I did it multiple times. The thing about it is, usually I will kill absolutely everything in the game. In the hardest difficulty it truly becomes survival horror because you don't have enough ammo or life to take everything head on. I almost have platinum in that game. The only thing I haven't been able to do is defeat del lago without missing a single shot.Play RE 4 remake on professional in under 5 hours. You literally have to memorize where and how every enemy attacks, and methods to escape them (not kill them, because that’s impossible). Made the whole thing a headache and you run like a bitch through most of it.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
02-26-2024, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
True but there is a difference between understanding the mechanics of a game and memorizing everything that happens like you have a DeLorean and are coming back from the future to fix the present. Thats not skill, it’s just wasting hours upon hours memorizing a game.One of my brothers is a god damned liar. He'll play a game over and over, and once he gets good he deletes the data, starts over, and beats it, and then will tell you that was his first time playing the game.
He's doing just that with lies of p right now.
Anyways, everything that requires skill needs to be practiced. No one can just pick up dark souls never having played a similar game before and just beat it.
He's doing just that with lies of p right now.
Anyways, everything that requires skill needs to be practiced. No one can just pick up dark souls never having played a similar game before and just beat it.
02-26-2024, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
In some games sure. But go play Nioh, that game is absolute bullshyt. I still beat it multiple times, but it's significantly harder than Dark Souls or any From Software game. Not memorizing the game means you will not win.True but there is a difference between understanding the mechanics of a game and memorizing everything that happens like you have a DeLorean and are coming back from the future to fix the present. Thats not skill, it’s just wasting hours upon hours memorizing a game.
Hell, even actual fighting is like that. Boxing is negotiating subtle muscle cues to know how to counter or evade.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
02-26-2024, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
I did it on pro with no damage, but not missing a single shot is nuts. Anyway, I hate running, and this forces you to do it, regularly. Even the OG version didn’t take it that far. My only comfort is that the bonus infinite ammo weapons were nerfed and hardly worth it (Chicago sweeper and hand cannon).It's not that bad. I did it multiple times. The thing about it is, usually I will kill absolutely everything in the game. In the hardest difficulty it truly becomes survival horror because you don't have enough ammo or life to take everything head on. I almost have platinum in that game. The only thing I haven't been able to do is defeat del lago without missing a single shot.
02-26-2024, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
Yeah, one of the achievements is beating it in pro without using any infinite weapons from a new game, not new game plus, and you have to do it in less than 5 hours. If you do that you get the cat ears.I did it on pro with no damage, but not missing a single shot is nuts. Anyway, I hate running, and this forces you to do it, regularly. Even the OG version didn’t take it that far. My only comfort is that the bonus infinite ammo weapons were nerfed and hardly worth it (Chicago sweeper and hand cannon).
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
02-26-2024, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
must run in the familyOne of my brothers is a god damned liar.
02-26-2024, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
You might as well play the game as Ashley without the armorYeah, one of the achievements is beating it in pro without using any infinite weapons from a new game, not new game plus, and you have to do it in less than 5 hours. If you do that you get the cat ears.
02-26-2024, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted By FukDaWorldCuh⏩
What are you referencing? What have I lied about?must run in the family
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
02-26-2024, 11:18 PM
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I get this chit with runescape.
Theres endgame content thats really beneficial but you can only do it consistently if you go balls deep & keep it up.
I play like for a week then i quit for a month or two so i never progress on those content.
There should be challenges for the hardcore gamers & then keep the basic needs behind challenges that can be done without geeking it out for weeks.
Theres endgame content thats really beneficial but you can only do it consistently if you go balls deep & keep it up.
I play like for a week then i quit for a month or two so i never progress on those content.
There should be challenges for the hardcore gamers & then keep the basic needs behind challenges that can be done without geeking it out for weeks.
02-26-2024, 11:56 PM
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02-27-2024, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted By PrimarisIn⏩
...you've put 4800 hours - 200 full days - into a computer game??it's true, and about early you start.
I played the latest ufc game on ps online and was so jealous of players that make it look better than reality. And yea games like fps, rts, or even turn based games are all about how good one has their muscle memory at damn near flawless
my dota 2 profile, at 4.8k hours and 2.4k wins and 2.4k losses:
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/11759446
I played the latest ufc game on ps online and was so jealous of players that make it look better than reality. And yea games like fps, rts, or even turn based games are all about how good one has their muscle memory at damn near flawless
my dota 2 profile, at 4.8k hours and 2.4k wins and 2.4k losses:
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/11759446
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02-27-2024, 01:04 AM
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Most "git gud" games are centered around repetition. Doing the same run and taking on the same boss over and over again until you memorize everything, and it becomes muscle memory. OP is right, that's basically what a lot of video game difficulty seems to be centered around, especially when it comes to the 3'rd person action genre.
The only true skill based gaming is when you get into that e-sport bullchit which is basically it's own category of taking video games way too seriously.
I think it all comes down to if you prefer to play your games as leisure or if you want it to be a source of overcoming challenges in life or something. Personally I never saw gaming as much of an accomplishment unless you're one of those people who turned it into a job.
The only true skill based gaming is when you get into that e-sport bullchit which is basically it's own category of taking video games way too seriously.
I think it all comes down to if you prefer to play your games as leisure or if you want it to be a source of overcoming challenges in life or something. Personally I never saw gaming as much of an accomplishment unless you're one of those people who turned it into a job.
02-27-2024, 01:23 AM
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Played through COD campaigns , it’s the one released in 2007 . Anyways I went threw it on medium ,then I go back and go threw it on its hardest settings . I’m getting ass handed to me regardless of knowing what to expect .
You would think that with AI and all , the games released now would be more unpredictable .
I’ll have to get a newer release and see , but apparently there all chit
You would think that with AI and all , the games released now would be more unpredictable .
I’ll have to get a newer release and see , but apparently there all chit
Back with my Fam
02-27-2024, 01:28 AM
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The only games that do difficulty right are strategy games like Baldur's Gate, Civilization, Total War... and ARPGs like Path of Exile or Last Epoch. That's about it IMO.
The difficulty in Soulsborne games is dealing with clunky combat and unexpected traps. The difficulty in gotcha games is overcoming the urge to speed things up with some money. The difficulty in shooter games is reacting to what's in front of you while being the first one to make a move, which is where map memorization comes into play. The difficulty in MMOs is memorizing boss mechanics and min/maxing to not feel like a leech. The difficulty in battle royale games is getting lucky with the looting while being stealthy. The difficulty in horror games is running away from creeps chasing you. The difficulty in platformers is dodging projectiles.
Pick what type of difficulty you want. I like MMOs that are done right, strategy games, and ARPGs.
The difficulty in Soulsborne games is dealing with clunky combat and unexpected traps. The difficulty in gotcha games is overcoming the urge to speed things up with some money. The difficulty in shooter games is reacting to what's in front of you while being the first one to make a move, which is where map memorization comes into play. The difficulty in MMOs is memorizing boss mechanics and min/maxing to not feel like a leech. The difficulty in battle royale games is getting lucky with the looting while being stealthy. The difficulty in horror games is running away from creeps chasing you. The difficulty in platformers is dodging projectiles.
Pick what type of difficulty you want. I like MMOs that are done right, strategy games, and ARPGs.
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